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 Are property prices going to up further? V4, nothing's gonna stop us now

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cherroy
post Mar 25 2012, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Mar 25 2012, 05:39 PM)
sigh..my favourite yong tau fu has been increased 10% in price per piece...with more money pumping into the market from the government, we will see another price hike in all items very soon. will this contribute to the BLR hike?  hmm.gif
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It is very unlikely for BNM to raise further the OPR with economy start to show some slowing sign.
The highly possible scenario is stay at current level, even BNM governor already said at current OPR or interest rate about 3%, seems right or comfortable.
Too low, fuel inflation
Too high, economy can be not moving enough.
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post Mar 28 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Mar 28 2012, 05:41 PM)
We are due for another stock market bull run?

In a 0% interest rate environment, the world major stock markets are not even through the peak in 2007, bull run? We are in a secular bear market since 2000 dude.

The UK household debt to income level is one of the worst in the world! Haven't you read the news about UK households are using credit cards to pay mortgage repayments, and taking on interest only mortgages? How far the UK housing market can go? They are hitting a wall head on now. Go buy UK property with your both hands like EPF and SP Setia did  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

S&P500 went up 22% in less than 80 days without a drawdown, since you are a chartist/tech guy, you really think this is normal? All shorts have been shaken out, and it's sucking in retail investors (those like to read charts) while big boys are selling. It's time to crash the market might be a more likely scenario.

The west are solving debt crisis with more debt, they are just buying time. Mathematically they would have to default, it is either print digital money into oblivion or declare bankrupt. It's a matter of when not if.

If the government (Chinese & Malaysian) did not do anything to curb lending, and let the housing bubble keeps inflating further. The consequence will be a lot more destructive. Look at Japan, house prices plunged 80% from the peak 20 years ago... because Japanese government did nothing.
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Stock market pricing is about how well the profitability the listed corporate is. 0% means put extra boost on stock market, but if corporate doesn't make enough profit, stock market still cannot make a new high.

If resort to print money, means there is no default but inflation follow suit. And this is happening right now around us or more precise around the globe.
There is no such thing of country declared bankruptcy one. Country cannot bankrupt, but default its bond only.

Yes, this make sense, excessive lending need to be curbed, as over-leveraged means future need to pay the price for it.
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post Apr 1 2012, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Apr 1 2012, 02:10 AM)
so sad? wanna buy house also cannot?  mad.gif

got any news about retail ar? i see the shopping mall tenants all sale kaw kaw, half price, 60%, 70% still not many buyers  sweat.gif
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Nobody stop anyone to buy house, if one can afford and meeting the loan guideline.
The loan guideline sent out by BNM is simple only, anyone meet the guideline, I am sure no one will be rejected by the loan application.


QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 1 2012, 03:46 PM)
Too strict also has its bad consequences.. hope to get a balance out of it.
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Frankly speaking, it is not strict.
How can requesting loan application based on net income as strict?
70% loan on 3rd property is quite lenient as well. As for those can own more then 2 properties, those should be high income group, don't need for 90% loan, and 3rd property generally is for own stay as well.
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(DeepValue @ Apr 16 2012, 12:45 AM)
If we could turn back time, with the benefit of hindsight, the following can work

A - We want inflow, and we applaud the marketing (Najib and his crew has been infront of the foreign investors since 2009 when they start communicating their willingness for a strong ringgit - which most asian countries try to stir away as a stronger local currency will hurt exports) to bring in more capital inflows .  But if this is flowing into property and unintentional consequences, than intervention is needed.  We can slap duty/ tax on purchase of sales within x amount of time.  ie if sold within 2 yrs, the stamp duty even for the seller would be x %, if 3 yrs y% etc.

B - More Regulations governing banks lending to developers or household on properties not finished yet.  Stop financing 5% down payment with 0% financing during construction period programmes. 

C - If you want to help young middle class, make it official instead of doing it at the developer level.  Create a  government body which can make up the difference for the required 30% downpayment.  Ie, the govenrnment body pays 25%, and the couple pays 5%.  For the 25%, the couple will have to pay a set interest rate determined by the government body.  Thus the bank will be safeguarded and the government takes the first 25% hit, if the property falls in value. 

These are some to share for now...  notice i said if we can turn back time.. at the moment i think more careful consideration is needed before more measures are implemented.  The bubble has already burst.  I suspect if anything, there will be more curbs post election as policymakers for sure is taking into account that the election is a 'risk point'.
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A) Yes, quite agree, that's why I always support RPGT. Earn profit, pay tax, reduce excessive short term speculation. Win-win-win situation, no one is hurt in RPGT.

B) Yes, 0% financing, no down payment or little down payment is always a big no.

C) I don't quite agree with gov body to interfere, it is like try to create another version of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae?
Gov cannot take all the risk, while the buyer and banks are excluded the risk of first 25%, it may prompt irresponsibility behaviour afterwards, since the buyer and bank only bare small risk.
The one who apply the loan and the one approve the loan should be bare the risk, if not, bank do not afraid to release the loan, as long as the property price doesn't fall more than 25%.
It may prompt another version of subprime lending.
Why banks do not afraid to do subprime back then?
Because the risk of the subprime mortgage default can be transferred through securitisation of mortgages aka the one release the loan is not the one bare the risk of the loan.
It is very dangerous to have that aka "the one doing the business and gain profit out of it by giving out loan, is excluded the risk of defaulting of the loan".

Banks should not be safeguarded totally from the loan they are giving out, if not, it may drive excessive loan being given out. Banks business is simple, the more loan being given out, the more profit can be made as long as there is no default on the loan or bare the loss of loan defaulting
If there is excessive loan being given out, if there is something wrong on economy, or massive loan defaulting, there may no way of turning back, but need bail out from gov, which come from tax payer and ordinary people hard earned money only.

Yes, I applaud the effort to help the middle class affordability, but personally I don't think it is an appropriate way, it could have a backlash of another version of subprime.
We have seen how the repayment rate of PTPTN as well which give you a hint. No doubt PTPTN is beneficiary and helpful in nature.
Gov shouldn't interfere too much, unless through like Sg HDB flat concept.

Bubble has burst?
I do not think so.
Properties price is still high, and may be a bit slow, some corrected, but not seen any bursting effect at all.
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post Apr 17 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Apr 16 2012, 06:08 PM)
I must say, after reading the few pages back, now you guys are scaring the shi+ out of me. I just decided to get a prop at SgLong and gonna tie myself with huge debt for the next 40 years... :s then you guys speculate that the bubble is going to burst soon and send everyone to hell :s

Was happy that i can afford to buy a house just now, but now I'm like falling from heaven to hell because of this bubble thing... i guess I was too optimistic?
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Nobody knows what will happen, what may not happen.

Since this thread started from V1, we had people call for property price to plunge as well, and taking about bubble which is way years back.
If look back, price surge more than 30-50% since this thread V1 started, instead of plunging.

Don't get me wrong either, I am not saying price won't plunge, it may, it could, just listen and heard both side of camp arguement, while one shouldn't be affected by others comment, but your own judgement, but in the end of the day, no one knows the future.
Just don't be over-optimistic that price is forever sky-rocketing non-stop, while also don't be too pessimistic as well, price won't continue plunge until zero one.
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post Apr 17 2012, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Apr 17 2012, 12:31 AM)
Shall we end this chapter fr now... wink.gif
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OK, V5 in the making, anyone can start the V5 thread if wish to discuss further about property price trend issue.

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