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water heater, price and quality
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weikee
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Sep 10 2013, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(hontoni1983 @ Sep 10 2013, 01:49 PM) I don't think so...but just want to confirm how a centralised storage heater work? issit for every rain shower,there should be 2 pipes connected to a valve,then u can adjust the heat of the water (which in turn connected to valve to adjust how much hot water and how much cold water mix to rain shower) by turning the switch? My house currently only have 1 pipe connecting to rain shower. Don't need two pipe after the mixer, only one pipe after mixer. and depend what type of mixer use some come with one turning knob and piping conceal.
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weikee
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Sep 11 2013, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 10 2013, 09:52 AM) oh man thats tragic  Lucky the relative from Japan have come over and will take care the baby. RIP the parent.
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weikee
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Sep 14 2013, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Sep 14 2013, 08:08 AM) What kind of lightning risk for solar heaters? You mean risk of lightning hitting the solar panel? Yes, and also roof support. And Don't forget many solar panel come with backup heating element too.
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weikee
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Oct 20 2013, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:00 PM) It is ok sharing with a light which consume little power. 2 feet type is 20 watt and plus its ballast maybe takes another 20 watts. Total not more than 40 watts compare to 3kw a power point can support. Ballast where got use that much of wattage.
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weikee
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Oct 20 2013, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(kitkat @ Oct 20 2013, 10:06 PM) water pressure is the only thing i worry. anyway thanks for your advice, will go ahead.  Water pressure will not good when coming from the tank. Unless your tank are locate higher.
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weikee
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Oct 21 2013, 11:03 AM
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Not that much in term if wastage. Power factor affect current not watt hour(energy). That is the same trick the so call energy saving device seller con people. They measure by power factor but not energy use. You see they always use ballast to show how inefficient the light can be, and switch on the magic device tada current drop and look like lots if saving. But that only playing with power factor not true energy usage. These base on my limited e&e knowledge I learned sometime back. Most of the technical calculation gip back to the colleague already. Think a good conventional ballast is around 0.7+ QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 21 2013, 10:47 AM) Weikee, If you are referring to electronic or a good ballast you are right. But in here we have to assume inefficient ballast for max calculation. See this web page: http://cannabis.com/growing/electric-How_M...really_use.htmlIt said, "....A good ballast will have a power factor above 0.9 (i.e. more than 90% of the power it draws is used to power the bulb). Cheaper (lower quality) ballasts often have power factors of 0.5 or less. That's right, only half of the power gets to the bulb. So a 150W lamp would be drawing 300W of power."...
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weikee
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Oct 21 2013, 11:14 AM
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Need to use good quality valve, never use PVC valve.
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weikee
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Oct 21 2013, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 11:27 AM) I placed a deposit at HomeDec for DC-Heater yesterday. Based on what the sales person mentioned and demonstrated, I'm quite convinced. Main features - low power consumption 350-750watts vs conventional 3000watts, no heating elements hence no risk of electrical shock. A fiend of mine bought the same brand at last year's HomeDec and have no complaints to-date. I wonder how does it work, did they give you the time required to heat up the water from 24c to 50c for the given storage capacity? If reduce power, the time will have to increase.
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weikee
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Oct 21 2013, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 21 2013, 12:26 PM) Sales person mentioned that it only takes less than 5 min to heat up IF the switch has been switched off earlier. Unlike conventional ways, she advised to keep the switch on 24/7 (cos it's low power consumption) unless you intend to go for holidays. She had a demo on the plate which is used in their water heaters. With just a little voltage from the cell battery, the plate took merely few seconds to heat up. Try off it till it drop to normal room temperature, I have doubt it can heat up in. 5mins for 20L water, if that happen it can go Guinness world record for the most efficient heating element in the world. Don't forget current is use for heating not voltage. It can have low voltage but high current. I did question them before, the sales agent keep quiet and black face.
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 22 2013, 07:57 AM) mmhh ... well I guess i just have to try it out. Maybe shd just try 1 for starters. Has anyone here tried and able to confirm the electricity charges? Do u think it works as the same concept as an air-pot, whereby heated water is stored and kept warm and shd the water drop to a certain temperature, it will auto reheat to restore it ?? This company is also selling air-pot where they claim a cup of drinking water is heated within 3 seconds. Storage also heat the water and store it for later use. it can keep the water up to a day and still feel warm.
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 10:23 AM) 1, 2, 3, you can have your cup of tea! Microwave oven can't even do that! They can boil the ocean with this technology. Noone needs to die for the homeless during winter, they can just dip themselves in hot water  This is god sent!  Can enter world..wait maybe is galaxy record.
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 11:51 AM
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Marketing ma... Looking at the way they described to normal users already know how they run business. It define all physics in hearing water that fast. Maybe a nuclear reactor inside? Or perhaps using law of relativity  Truly I hate people or company using condemned of other product as marketing. Really no business ethics. If is a proven dangerous/hazard/illegal is good to bring out, but something that is accidental can share and put the possibility but not stating it will happen. Driving is even more dangerous. Everyone still driving? QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 11:29 AM) This company may have a good product but the way they market their product is out of norm. Looking at the facebook they condemned and published so much about the electrocution of the Japanese couple, so many similar report, to say that their product is ZERO danger and you are asking yourself to be killed using the conventional Instant water heaters. It is ok to warn buyers but exaggerate too much till frightening all existing users is too much and bad taste. What you want all the existing users to do? Throw away their heaters? A good company should not just warn but come up with not only alternative (buying their product) but also how you can minimize risks if not overcome. I dont think their prodcut is any safer when it is all about water and electricity. Over selling and everything seemed to me are like they have a magic. Don't Kill and super safer of power and instant heating and up their price. This post has been edited by weikee: Oct 22 2013, 11:52 AM
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 22 2013, 01:30 PM) I do not know why you want to believe there will not be electrocution danger. There is heating element if not how you get to convert electric energy to heat energy? Yes there is no direct contact between the heating element and water but the heating coils is surrounding the copper water pipe for heat exchange. When heating element fail or broken or short circuit it needs not contact water to conduct electric current. The copper pipe will conduct current to water. Here is a diagram of a tankless single unit heater. [attachmentid=3686476] They can use ceramic heating to heat up the copper pipe, that will reduce the probability of electric transfer but not NILL. If use ceramic efficiency is not that good. Another method is use induction this can sure guarantee no electric transfer but what if lightning strike? High voltage still have chances electric will jump. Maybe they use alien technology, must buy and reverse engineer it.
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 05:35 PM
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Yes we are commenting on the product not you (StarGazer)
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 22 2013, 05:28 PM) i think they are not bombarding you but the product..... anyway seers have 3 kinds of water heaters - instant, storage and heat pump my guess is you got the storage kind. even the 40L cost around RM1400 which is like 3 times the cost of a normal storage heater at seers website here they explain how it works - see if it makes sense to anyone  The product is just like any other storage heater product with only dual tank. With maybe a better insulation, but still will have leakage of heat. Their so call energy saving look like is just the insulation. For that price I rather use rinnai gas.
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weikee
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Oct 22 2013, 06:20 PM
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The selling point for seer is good insulation and low current usage therefore no need independent wiring, rest still the same to me. The heating temperature look fast but the use 30c to start and 60c to end. Ceramic still have hot wires inside which is also run on electric. How can it not pose any danger? Maybe due to manufacture defective ceramic crack and expose the wires..run on 12v it won't kill But to get 850watt it need to supply 70+amps. i think the large chunk of weight is on the Ac to DC converter. QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 22 2013, 05:43 PM) hahaha...i was about to say "inb4 weikee says rinnai gas heater" looking at the picture and explanation from Seers sales here - https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=62899187i find it odd that the heated water needs to travel from tank 1 to tank 2 when there are two heating source C, one in each tank maybe i see the picture wrong? we all curious on how it works....some of us are a bit skeptical so Stargazer, please dont take it the wrong way  :
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weikee
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Oct 23 2013, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 09:17 AM) That's the thing - I have yet to confirm if my unit already has the hot pipe in place or not. If it's in place then it could be the centralised storage ... otherwise the piping charges is a lot to pay for (exceed my budget) New house or old? New house ask developer
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weikee
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Oct 23 2013, 10:24 PM
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If want to centralized it, need to consider where the on/off switch or plan to switch it on 24x7? I use individual storage per toilet, and each have its own switch. Smaller tank mean faster heat up, and save some energy because don't need to heat up larger quantity of water and not using 1/2 of it.
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weikee
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Oct 24 2013, 04:11 PM
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Got angle ss ma. Why need to use copper in between.
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weikee
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Oct 24 2013, 04:40 PM
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Is OK la, skilled plumber can do it. My house hot water are SS.
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