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Gold investment corner v4, Will gold price achieve USD2000 by 2012?
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Nidz
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Jan 11 2012, 09:44 AM
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An interesting read. Gold feels weight of Paulson curseBy Jack Farchy » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « When John Paulson’s hedge fund bought almost 100 tonnes of gold in early 2009, the public support from one of the world’s most respected hedge fund managers was a boon for the bullion market.
Now Mr Paulson’s enormous investment seems more like a curse.
It is little secret that Paulson & Co is struggling. Its main fund, Advantage Plus, lost about half its value over the course of 2011.
That creates a problem for gold investors, due to the very public nature of the fund’s gold investment – a large part of which is held through the SPDR Gold Trust exchange traded fund, holdings in which funds must report on a quarterly basis.
Knowing that Paulson & Co holds more gold than many central banks, and that it is struggling, it only takes a short leap of imagination to worry that he might be forced to sell it. Indeed, in the third quarter of last year, Paulson & Co sold ETF shares equivalent to roughly 34 tonnes of gold – and in September the gold price fell 11 per cent.
Mr Paulson has therefore become symbolic of the “dash for cash” trade that has weighed on gold. There is no doubt that fears of forced liquidation – with Paulson & Co at the top of the list – was a cause of uncertainty in December and many investors are still nervy.
Paulson & Co is not the only holder of gold whose financial problems are weighing on the market. The central banks of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy between them hold 3,200 tonnes of gold, and even though most market observers and officials dismiss the possibility of outright sales, there is no doubt that, as with Paulson & Co, they are a cause of concern.
Such woes matter to the gold market as analysts go through the annual rigmarole of forecasting the year ahead.
Anyone glancing at the forecasts being published by bullion banks and trading houses would think now is the time to buy gold: despite the recent price drop, the consensus remains unanimously bullish.
The London Bullion Market Association’s annual survey of 26 analysts and traders, for example, showed that all but three expected gold to average higher than the current spot price of about $1,615 a troy ounce over the course of 2012. The large majority expects a peak above $2,000.
Nonetheless, it may not yet be time to jump back into the gold market with both feet. Despite their general optimism, the analysts on average expect gold to fall as low as $1,443 an ounce – down 10.9 per cent from current prices – and most I have spoken to believe that will happen in the first few months of the year.
Investors will not know until mid-February whether Paulson & Co sold gold in the fourth quarter of 2011. But that is almost insignificant. The pall over the gold market may not lift until it and other large holders of bullion decisively put their woes behind them. sourceThis post has been edited by Nidz: Jan 11 2012, 04:53 PM
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SilverfoX
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Jan 11 2012, 11:57 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHcFOMyjosThis fella in the video thinks gold will touch $10,000 per ounce in a few years time. Soros said gold is the biggest bubble. My take, buy only with the money that you can afford to lose. Use gold as hedge against crisis rather than inflation or for income generation. I only buy physical bullion, still can't accept the idea of paper gold.
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qaf1010
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Jan 11 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(potenza10 @ Jan 10 2012, 09:31 PM) AFAIK, it's 999 since GCP is following the dinar standard during Prophet Muhammad's time..
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desmond_fantasy
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Jan 11 2012, 01:48 PM
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Hmm....gold price cant be predicted.....may be is too high for someone but may be still low for another.....the worst case is you buy at the top spot.....
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SeeD
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Jan 11 2012, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Nidz @ Jan 11 2012, 09:44 AM) An interesting read. Gold feels weight of Paulson curseBy Jack Farchy » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « When John Paulson’s hedge fund bought almost 100 tonnes of gold in early 2009, the public support from one of the world’s most respected hedge fund managers was a boon for the bullion market.
Now Mr Paulson’s enormous investment seems more like a curse.
It is little secret that Paulson & Co is struggling. Its main fund, Advantage Plus, lost about half its value over the course of 2011.
That creates a problem for gold investors, due to the very public nature of the fund’s gold investment – a large part of which is held through the SPDR Gold Trust exchange traded fund, holdings in which funds must report on a quarterly basis.
Knowing that Paulson & Co holds more gold than many central banks, and that it is struggling, it only takes a short leap of imagination to worry that he might be forced to sell it. Indeed, in the third quarter of last year, Paulson & Co sold ETF shares equivalent to roughly 34 tonnes of gold – and in September the gold price fell 11 per cent.
Mr Paulson has therefore become symbolic of the “dash for cash” trade that has weighed on gold. There is no doubt that fears of forced liquidation – with Paulson & Co at the top of the list – was a cause of uncertainty in December and many investors are still nervy.
Paulson & Co is not the only holder of gold whose financial problems are weighing on the market. The central banks of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy between them hold 3,200 tonnes of gold, and even though most market observers and officials dismiss the possibility of outright sales, there is no doubt that, as with Paulson & Co, they are a cause of concern.
Such woes matter to the gold market as analysts go through the annual rigmarole of forecasting the year ahead.
Anyone glancing at the forecasts being published by bullion banks and trading houses would think now is the time to buy gold: despite the recent price drop, the consensus remains unanimously bullish.
The London Bullion Market Association’s annual survey of 26 analysts and traders, for example, showed that all but three expected gold to average higher than the current spot price of about $1,615 a troy ounce over the course of 2012. The large majority expects a peak above $2,000.
Nonetheless, it may not yet be time to jump back into the gold market with both feet. Despite their general optimism, the analysts on average expect gold to fall as low as $1,443 an ounce – down 10.9 per cent from current prices – and most I have spoken to believe that will happen in the first few months of the year.
Investors will not know until mid-February whether Paulson & Co sold gold in the fourth quarter of 2011. But that is almost insignificant. The pall over the gold market may not lift until it and other large holders of bullion decisively put their woes behind them.
 Might want to add the source? So we know where the article is originated from? Nothing against you, just stating that some source is screwed up and should be taken lightly.
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kelvin_hata
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Jan 11 2012, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(SilverfoX @ Jan 11 2012, 11:57 AM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHcFOMyjosThis fella in the video thinks gold will touch $10,000 per ounce in a few years time. Soros said gold is the biggest bubble. My take, buy only with the money that you can afford to lose. Use gold as hedge against crisis rather than inflation or for income generation. I only buy physical bullion, still can't accept the idea of paper gold. hmm... no one know future... they jus tell us wat they thinking. +1 for you bro
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Nidz
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Jan 11 2012, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 11 2012, 02:11 PM) Might want to add the source? So we know where the article is originated from? Nothing against you, just stating that some source is screwed up and should be taken lightly. article taken from Financial Times. also featured in The Edge Financial Daily dated 11 January 2012.
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turion64
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Jan 11 2012, 10:53 PM
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went to UOB today and according to one of their staff, UOB has the lowest buying and selling rate at Rm2 /gm only.
anyone can confirm this is true compare to Public bank, Maybank, CIMB bank, Kuwait financial house... lazy to call one by one to check leh
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Nidz
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Jan 12 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Jan 11 2012, 10:53 PM) went to UOB today and according to one of their staff, UOB has the lowest buying and selling rate at Rm2 /gm only. anyone can confirm this is true compare to Public bank, Maybank, CIMB bank, Kuwait financial house... lazy to call one by one to check leh confirm
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turion64
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Jan 12 2012, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(Nidz @ Jan 12 2012, 12:10 AM) hehe thanks bro  how about online banking? i heard only public bank have it...true?
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kelvin_hata
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Jan 12 2012, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Jan 12 2012, 12:44 AM) hehe thanks bro  how about online banking? i heard only public bank have it...true? ya...
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turion64
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Jan 12 2012, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Jan 12 2012, 01:16 AM) Oh ok... last question... is the rate for all the bank the same? which bank has the lowest rate?
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Nidz
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Jan 12 2012, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Jan 12 2012, 01:19 AM) Oh ok... last question... is the rate for all the bank the same? which bank has the lowest rate? what rate? gold price? different bank different price. check 1st post.
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desmond_fantasy
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Jan 12 2012, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Jan 12 2012, 01:19 AM) Oh ok... last question... is the rate for all the bank the same? which bank has the lowest rate? I think you are referring to selling price and buying price. You can always check from their website.
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potenza10
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Jan 12 2012, 09:42 AM
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So lame question..directly can check either at website or this thread.i hear that, i hear this...sighhhhh...
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jeremywhd
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Jan 12 2012, 12:17 PM
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anyone here know which is the best and reliable broker to trade in gold?
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SeeD
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Jan 12 2012, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(jeremywhd @ Jan 12 2012, 12:17 PM) anyone here know which is the best and reliable broker to trade in gold? Yourself. Buy physical and your assets will be protected (by yourself).
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turion64
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Jan 12 2012, 04:24 PM
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just invested in UOB gold. i must say they have the lowest buying / selling rate around.
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uexpress
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Jan 12 2012, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Jan 12 2012, 04:24 PM) just invested in UOB gold. i must say they have the lowest buying / selling rate around. Which branch you go yah bro.... did all branch has this services???
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turion64
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Jan 12 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Jan 12 2012, 04:37 PM) Which branch you go yah bro.... did all branch has this services??? yes all branch la.
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