as per title.

lets discuss in more professional way.

lately i always surf-surf lowyat forum, theres many comments on johor, LGE, sultan Johor etc.
ok first thing first, i just wanted to know where the resource/statistic that says johor the worst? mind sharing with me?
no im not butthurt or jealous, im just mad, well kinda mad, bcoz people just talk rubbish without evidence, this is why i really disappointed.
'johor is a cowboy town' 'nobody lives in johor' guys come on


so just bcoz some politician talk rubbish about other state, u guys think that he is correct and go bash every johor related thing. obviously he want his state looks better
this is just so wrong, well its not if u just want to troll/jokes.
but some people take this thing damn serious i was like wtf.

ok back to story, people saying johor is the worst, why? crime rate? so is there any statistic, official statistic not from those stupid blogs. pls pls pls share with me
i just wanna ask which place in the earth got no crime?
even in those undeveloped country got crime.

<insert a state here> is more safe than <insert a different state here> is just too ridiculous.
if like this 1, sure in 10yrs, no no 5yrs time got perang saudara and say bye bye to independence.
we should have 1malaysia spirit not 1<insert a state here>

i still remember when merdeka day few years back, so stupid people bring sabah/kelantan (i dun remember well) flag and huuhaahuuuhaa.
pfft merdeka is for whole malaysia la wey. so typical people

tldr? sorry just sharing my words.
inb4 im guy from perak, stays in johor quite long time, but now im at kl.


This post has been edited by shdin271: Oct 29 2011, 04:59 PM

TL;DR

My fiancee is from JB and she say it is more dangerous than SG or KL.

yes why ??
why dangerous? what happening???
i sometime go jb i dun see any diff??

don compare with sg la. sg different level lol

I'm from JB. Crime used to be lots everywhere. But I see police force have improve considerably since 2 years back. Especially town areas. Most Taman also have police station or bit nearby. But less crime doesn't mean no crime.

i second that mate.
now got police ronda2 feel quite safe.
now got some police tent along jalan skudai there.
thats a quite good improvement.
and usually when i back here, i saw 2 police car near mamak at my taman, which is quite good although they go lepak2

-a friend from johor told me that if u never experienced crime, u're not johorian. I shat brick.

Johor is one very big state, and I think there are some dangerous area as well as lots of safe area.

mate i lives in johor for almost 19 yrs.
ive witness crime in front of my eye.
i didnt say theres no crime.

so far the jb town area quite so so only. still people doing crime. but people cant say the whole johor is dangerous. tooo narrow minded
im glad still got people think like u. salute to u mate

jb, dare not go...... much more dangerous than anywhere else in the world, snatch + rompak + curi.....SCARY..........

IF you are so disappointed, then provide statistics (official statistic not from those stupid blogs) as a comparison.

KL still have the biggest crime rate per population as far as we're concerned. but the thing about crimes in johor is that, it targets singaporeans, or indonesian targeting locals and stuffs like that. things that u LOVE to read in the newspapers.

simply put, if it wont get into the newspapers, johoreans wont do it .

Well, it's kinda hard to pin point what kinda ppl or type of crime involved. I guess is since probably JB is kinda small compared to KL, so whatever crime here is considered talk of the town, especially robbery, gruesome murders, kidnapping etc.

But I feel safer now in JB than let's say 2~3 years back.
During those days, bag snatching, 'house clearing', rape, car / moto theft, gangster fights were pretty norm. Even hanging clothes outside is considered a bit dangerous during weekdays.

But as I say, less crime doesn't mean no crime. Things like wallet, handbag, car lock, walking, shopping etc need take care.

u read carefully or not.
i already say there
give me the statistic not im the 1 giving the statistic la

i agree mate.
and indon the worst prob here

I still remembered probably around 10 years ago when the ketua polis of Johor Bahru was murdered at his home. A group of Indonesians broke into his home to rob & kill him. Apparently these indonesians were hired by the local triads.

Ironically he called the nearest police station for help but it took them too long to arrive at his house.

nowadays quite ok already.
the police becoming more good.
yes 5-6 yrs back quite dark.
i really agree with u on that.

are u serious??

Everybody knw johor is the worst state in terms of crime rate...kesian singaporean always kena rob and snatch

why u say so?
sos?

Yes. I was a UTM student back then. The murder happened around Senai or Skudai area. The next day i can see police going through construction sites around my area to interrogate indonesian workers.

indon worker serious prob mang.
last fews years back, they use chopper and big spot light to raid a small hutan bcoz too many indon there.
i see that and feel like gta lololololol

This is why i say Malaysia gomen should trade johor for a portion of kalimantan. At least kalimantan got resources to mine/deforest.

Johor only got crime.

Don't u question why such an influx of indon in Johor?

Johor is a big state. It's not just JB. In fact, JB is the puniest.

Not safe, Johor peoples also say the same thing. LGE also say not safe. And UMNO/BN will never admit the state they govern are crime heaven.

sos??? statistic???
pls share with me

Actually it is very easy for indonesians to sneak into JB. When Mas Selamat escaped from singapore prison, he swam to JB and stayed at a kampung behid Skudai Parade for a few months before he was caught.

agree
the security there so f***ing lame.
i really hope they will tighten it

come on ts if u r so prejudice and defensive...who the hell on earth wanna discuss with you? its waste of time and you can just go to one corner and talk to yourself if you can't start everything from a neutral pov.

This post has been edited by liez: Oct 29 2011, 04:46 PM

i just want to know how true the words of johor sucks.
just wanted to know and compare the statistic..

johor is quite safe, overall. dont just talk about jb; desaru, mersing great holiday destinations, oso johor. those place IINM are very safe. petty crimes often happens, normal la, but big crimes nowadays are less and less. singaporeans tok kok about jb crime rates, but later everyday come here buy groceries, go for holidays and some buy land and houses too.

Johor Bahru and surrounding areas pretty high in crime last time. Not sure about now. None of my friends who graduated from UTM wanted to remain there. One of them got pickpocketed and had her bag snatched 3 times in 2 years. Another was robbed in the middle of the night in his house. A few of us saw the aftermath of a chopping at Holiday Plaza; cleaners were just mopping up the blood when we arrived. Then extortion at the bus station was pretty common and the police did nothing about it.

Lots of crime around my relatives' neighbourhoods in JB as well. Felt like it was under siege since they seemed afraid to go out at night the past few years. One uncle was robbed at gunpoint near Holiday Plaza as well.

A pity cause when I was much younger in the 80s, I used to like JB a lot. Always went out in the morning with my uncle to tapao roti canai for breakfast. Felt nice and safe then.

Have only been back there 3 times since I left UTM 10 years ago.

THIS!! finally got people think same as me.
i really hate my mom friend, who kutuk2 malaysia, and come here angkut all the stuffs from giant.
those makcik2
fuel they isi full tank. and kutuk2 malaysia. wtf la

http://cpps.org.my/resource_centre/Crime.pdf

now ok already.
they have many police post at many places.
crime rate i think decreased but still got..

http://mpk.rmp.gov.my/jurnal/2005/riseofcrime.pdf

there.
so why people keep saying johor the worst i kenot brain

If u want most recent studies about the crime subject sure don't have lah coz published data need some time to study in details.
But u can get sos from people's real exp or police data.

i agree.
those data is from 2005 2006.
real exp sometime people can lie.
police data is the best.
hopefully they will give report on crimes

I think TS just want to convince himself that crime is controlled in JB. Fine, just think that. Others are just telling their experiences and please larr........... stop with the statistics and sh*t. How are we going to get the real statistics when they are all covered up. If you really want statistics, you asked the wrong place. Go go the Police HQ in JB and ask the same question that you posted here. If you feel that JB is safe, then go with that feeling, why want others to feel the same way as you do. Others have rights to their opinions. Just like myself, if I feel unsafe to walk in the dark alley, I avoid it. Just the same if I feel that it is not safe in JB, then I won't visit it. Obviously, many Singaporean feels the same way and also many others don't feel it, it is their risk or perogative whether they want to venture out or not. What sh*T is this statistic, statistic , statistic.

You never know what's the real situation. Do you know that Langkawi has the highest Aids occurrence in Malaysia same as do you know Langkawi also has many foreign tourist dying of accidents? I doubt you know it. why? Certain news are blacked out in order not to frightened tourist from visiting places. I know because my friend is the one arranging the corpses to be sent back and I don't hink he keeps count on it or maintain a statistic record of it. Go lah! Go lah to JB, don't ask us and tell us we all are like those aunties telling stories in coffeeshop.

yupe, same as those ppl claimed that there is no IC Project in sabah even though you can get the opposite answer from most of the sabahan.

I can testify that JB is definitely not a safe place. My mother has been robbed a couple of times.

And my home has had 1 break-in.

TS, please don't ask for statistics on the forum. If you want statistics, google it or go to police station.

Safe or not, that's a more personal thing. If somebody was showing you stats that the place you are living in has low crime rate, but a few of your friends or relatives encountered robbery, can you feel it's a safe place? Hell no!

Johor as a whole is not that bad, but JB is not safe. This is based on all the crime news on newspapers and agreed by all my friends who grew up in JB. This is my "FEEL," and I seriously don't care what its crime rate is.

KL ain't safe either. I have more than enough crime stories in KL to share.

okey je johor...but Singaporean and indon make a shit all over town ma.

so personal experience < some maybe fake statistic?

can't you see it? when majority says about it. it becomes facts. TS, what are you trying to defend @_@

i dont say johor dont have crime
just saying that is that true that johor the worst??
thats my main question.
so the only way to tell is statistic, not aunty story.
if aunty story 1 i also can say and make story 1

i live in jb, and to me, the crime rate here is about the same, if not less than probably kl and penang. as long as there is money moving and to be made, there will always be people trying to skip to the short part and do crime for it.

im not defending.
just now got 1 fag tell me, waa u going johor isit?
i heard johor the worst.


wtf.
people think that johor the worst but i dont see any huge diff in 3 diff state that ive been on

This post has been edited by shdin271: Oct 29 2011, 05:44 PM

ironically.... there are other sources like interviews from real life examples because police datas are found to be with many flaws. One of them is not everyone go to report the case after incident happened. Thats why police data is one of the worst. ask any criminology student and they will agree with me.... you need one source to supplement with another. So stop being so naive.


isn't it obvious you are from the 1st post of this thread...

This post has been edited by liez: Oct 29 2011, 05:49 PM

haiz i also dunno.
some say go check police data,
then u say police data the worst.

johor worst, but why properties price still high? why singapork buy house at johor? why buy groceries at johor? also why indo love to work at johor..... said johor worst but still come to johor.. haiz.. better sit quitely at their own place... if johor worst don't come to johor la...

well said there

if singapore not beside u see how

unfortunately singapore IS beside johor

so you know all this happened because of singapore. not Johor.

it happens bcoz of money.
so yes

couldnt agree more lol.

intend to turn this thread to flaming thread? trolls should get out from this thread.

Agreed.

Crime rate is not the only thing that determines the prosperity of a city.

What Johor? Even Hospital Sungai Buloh not safe... my lorry's battery got stolen inside the parking compound. Technically, MY is NOT safe!

is there any house in malaysia tak pasang grill besi? adeii

Lol 19 years there and you still can't see why it's not safe? You blind or retard?

I born in Johor raised in Johor till I was 5. Mom kena rob twice, kena pecah masuk twice during that time. Last year sis kena snatch theft. A few years before that my cousin kena rob at knife point and almost kena rogol. If you read a tered of mine about union car pullers, u know about my friend whose wife was harmed.

Seriously, calling you blind or an idiot isn't an overstatement. It's spot on.

i read that 1 before. the one who messed with some stuffs, sign and car etc.
im sorry what happened to him.


u was raised at johor till 5y/o
i was raised til im 17 y/o. im not blind or retard.
so far nothing messed up to me or my family, i really thanks to god for that. so u got my point?
yes i do agree johor got crime but i just cant brain the point they say johor so dem teruk. like they say johor the most ruined
wth

seems u r one of the rare lucky ones that didn't experience much of the crime in johor....but have u ever brained why JB got the nickname of "cowboy town"? It's not like 1-2ppl say, it's a majority ... but i guess the worst is in JB and surrounding, not every part of Johor. Still if the state capital is f***** up, that just reflects the entire state condition.

i have a bunch of frens from JB that concur with the majority, you're probably the first johorian that I know to disagree with underworld reputation of Johor

i believe he might looked like the underworld lord himself which is why noone dare touch him.

u r just very lucky TS. my friend also once told me if born in johor live in johor but hvnt met with any misfortune, u are not johorian

bro, you think i trolling? i born here johor at 1982... at 2000 i went to penang continue study about 5 years and return back to johor until now.. even my parent, relative all at johor.. even got one of my parent house rented by singapork.. i'm so lucky coz until now i never encountered any robbery/crime or what so ever...

My parents housing estate in malaysia = 80% of houses no grills

problem officer?

In the end, forgetting the fact you are basing Darul Takzim's crime rate on just JB (as u haven't shown any evidence you've commented on other towns in ur biga55 state) - & since Sg is beside Johor/JB as u say, it is easy for troopers/politicians to use your state as scaremongering tactic to drive away your Sg investors/visitors as much as possible. Until the opposition gets their foot in their door there.

But you are not helping yourself - sorry I mean, ur city.
Cos as you've first asked for stats (which is usually full of sh1t in terms of Msia's civil service biased reporting to begin with) - then you go and agree with the other posters that ur city's (not state's) security is lame.
Ok. So a state's security that's so lame according to a resident of it's capital and nearest inhabitant of a foreign country. Cool.

Your OP title, and still = "Is it safe or not?"
Stop changing goalposts to constantly act dumb and ask respondents ..."but is it the unsafest/worst safety?" etc etc.

Live with it.
If you want ur Iskandar zone thing to work, you better accept it won't unless u make some noise to improve safety concerns for FOREIGN investors/tenants/buyers.
Local Msians wont give a fuk - but they are not the target market of that region for the most of the purchases.
And as long as people keep giving Johor's sh1tty crimerates headlines over & over.. then the biggest loser is the optimum development of that (potentially promising) Iskandar Zone/Region.

I believe KL would be much more dangerous than JB town

but most of the news-grabbing crime would come from Johor perhaps.

Murders involving pretty girls happen in Johor. Imma sad.

u heard people say? is it?
oh please u come here and experience it first.
the environment here basically the same as other big city.

btw im not disagree with the reputation etc. i just disagree that people saying its the worst

again, a friend told u.
real experience vs friend-told experience

lucky us mate.
lets pray for our safety and others.

its not me the on basing crime rate on just JB, i didnt say anything like that before did i?
i didnt even comment on any town specifically.
its all about crime rate in johor vs crime rate of other state
i just cant brain why people saying johor worse. u get me? why johor worse?
is it because ur friend tell u? isit becoz /k/ tell u? or isit becoz ur own exp ?
read the comment. most of the real life exp people telling 'im cool at johor'. seems like some of them also cant brain why people think so negative about johor.
only the post 'one of my friend told me' give soooo much negative impression on johor<-- wth come on u telling us that a friend tell u bla bla bla

yes i do asked for stats. why ? bcoz i want to compare with other states. and see how 'ruined' johor is. im a type who dont believe people word. its more like proof or gtfo.
again yes i agree with the comment saying johor crimes bcoz these thing i know and experienced it before.. thats why i ask why it is worst than other state???

brother wake up im not saying johor have no crime im asking why they say johor the worst??
thats a huge different. u really should take look at my 1st post carefully before posting like a boss who know everything

so now we are on international border section. ok
of course the border security is lame. but again why johor the worst?!?!!?.
theres more bad stuffs going on at thailand border and u still say johor the worst
u get me. this is my question.
people keep saying johor so bad why??

yes my title is like that, it reflect my 1st post, my main idea of this thread!
u get my main idea do u???? read my very 1st post!
'johor safe or not' <--my title
'i want stat that show the crime rate of all states' <-- my summary of 1st post.
ok? u get me now?


so now from 'my friend told me' story, you are going to foreign people security ? i really cant brain. first of all people saying local people safety and now u saying foreign people's safety ? so which one??
back to my main point WHY JOHOR THE WORST ?? let say foreign guy's safety. so u saying other state have better security to them ??
if u say so, theres would be less or none sg people coming over here..
but why? why each day theres still sg people coming over?!?
u go to tambak johor during holiday or weekends, there will be hundred and thousand sg cars coming to msia.
and u still say they scared to come here?

iskandar development is so successful all the way until now.. u see any defect ? yes no? i see none! danga bay, the new custom and immigration building, the new administrative center Nusajaya. I DONT SEE ANY FAILURE SO FAR
so back to my main point, why u say johor the worst?!?!?

btw bro here some important thing for u.

Johor is the safest place in Malaysia. I know this because Johor gahmen say dis... I dun trust LGE wan... He liez wan...

kneeYasing's post pretty much wrapped up the thread.

Yup. It's important to understand the context of the discussion. When LGE was commenting about it, it's safe to assume that he wasn't talking about Segamat, Muar, Batu Pahat, or Mersing areas. And everyone else complaining about crime in Johor, we can be sure too that they're not talking about those districts remote from JB.

Many people agree it's not as safe. So TS, I think your question is answered, but maybe you're questioning the basis.
They base it on anecdotes. You may argue that the value of anecdotes is less important compared to stastistics, but not everyone thinks rationally using stastistics. Even rational people won't be foolish enough to base a judgement on solely stastistics as stastistics don't really paint the whole picture. Word of mouth is a really powerful influence. I, for example, after hearing from my relatives who live in Batu Pahat that they were robbed twice, will think twice before considering moving to that town. (And that LGE debacle was also word of mouth, but someone just had to break the journalism ethics by publishing off-the-record statement)

TS, you too would agree that people don't care whether the place they're living in has the worst safety, they're not competing to be entered in Malaysian Book of Records. It's the same like the argument with rising petrol prices; people are complaining it's getting too expensive yet all the leaders bothered to say was "yet we have the cheapest petrol in the region!"

im a johorian, my mum is a johorian, and i think its not as safe as kl. i live there for since i was a child then migrated to kl, in those years, my motor stole thrice, house got broke, + ambush some more. and sorry to say mate.

this is a really professional reply mate.
thanks for sharing.
yes i totally agree with u mate.
i just dont want people giving -ve impression on not only johor but other states.
and btw no matter which state its still malaysia.

btw feel sorry for ur relative

im sorry for u bro.

damn.. KL already so dangerous, johor lagi teruk

for me its just the same.
u better come here and try live here.
real life experience is more important

u must have read this tered http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2082334

feel sorry for that.
but my question,
how true is that story ??
and is that 1 story changes everything on johor?
so nearly 1300000 people is not living in peacE?

This post has been edited by shdin271: Oct 30 2011, 01:11 AM

As a Malaysian who live in JB for almost all of his life, I am agreed with the opinion that JB is not safe and most unsafe place to live in Malaysia. And this is based on my personal experience.

but more and more johorians come in say its dangerous wor.. i've been there a few times, very fortunate i've not encounter anything bad..

my kapung at johor....yes.johor sukkk

lived 10 years in kl n 10 years in johor..
Personally encounter 2 incident in johor n 2 incident in kl..

bt johor definately hv more stories n reputation of crime..
even if i hv lots of money, i would not hv any confidence to spent on little luxury in johor..

n now im in sg =D

Well said. No intention to diss TS, but ostrich-head-in-sand moments does not help.
Just think where one is in Sg Petani or in Tebrau - if you have taken all common sense measures to ensure your safety/wellbeing from crime, but still kena crime, then areas where u kena more than usual will usually come out in the open.

You can't control how other people feel about what they've experienced. If any, the authority should be the one to step forward and bring confidence to the public. Maybe they can cooperate with the media to highlight the achievements of Johor PDRM in curtailing crime. If people hear more news of police doing good job, for example headlines like "Matahari Gang is busted!" "Kidnapping ring busted!" "Police saves the day before robbers manage to do anything", then they'd have the feeling that the situation is no longer as bad as what they've gone through. And if more people get first-hand experience in getting cases solved by the police, they too will spread news about how good the police is faring, and maybe they'll start telling relatives that Johor is now safe.

1st step on johor land after plane landing almost kena robbed d...

so conclusion johor is teh worst

everywhere in Malaysia is dangerous...

don't need to talk about JB...

my daddy won't even let me out alone... worst when night comes...

dude, i'm not johorian, but i'm just building the picture in my head based on the comments from many johorian. U open the thread asking a question and seem not be able to accept that the majority in the thread doesn't agree with u.

I've got nothing against johor, but if johor's own ppl say that, how can I say either wise? Like i said, not 1-2 ppl say, i have many frens born and bred in johor, still living there. All say the same thing, but I can understand that JB is the problem here, not entire state of Johor. But logically, if the capital itself is like that, how would the state itself be in general?

Why do I need to come and experience it myself? U think this is a carnival ghost ride to go and experience the thrill of being scared? If 9/10 johorians (u being the 1/10) say it's not safe, then it's not safe. Your own statesmen say that, ever wonder why?

p/s: I've been to JB. the weekend I visited, my fren's Nissan Sunny got stolen (parked near the ground floor of his flats). I know that could happen anywhere, but how does that help to improve the already damning reputation of Johor?

This post has been edited by gogetter83: Oct 30 2011, 11:14 AM

Been living for 12 years in Kluang [located in the middle of Johor]. So far, my family had never encounter any crime except broad daylight robbery once. So I'm thankful for that.

Once, my buddy's mum was snatched of her handbag by a motorcyclist snatch thief and was dragged for a few blocks of shops before the strap finally broke. Luckily, she only suffered minor injuries.

Other case was that my neighbor's house got ransacked and even the TV got carried away, in the morning. [Most of the residents are out at work]. What's worst, the pulis only came at night even though the report was made in the afternoon, and complained "Benda remeh-remeh macam ni pun nak buat report"

There's another time a force break-in almost occurred in my house, but my house alarm went off. I went to take a look outside and saw silhouette of 2 adult men running away.

There are many other cases too which I don't really remember.

So, I personally don't really think Johor is a safe place as they claim to be.

This post has been edited by zZNekoChanZz: Oct 30 2011, 11:29 AM

live in jb,its like u will be rob any time if you walking along any street

This 1 time I was in Johor, I was beaten by a bunch of rempits. They eventually robbed me off my 3 packets of Mamee Monster.

Johor....definitely Unsafe

i live in jb, been here all my life. crime is just the same if not less than kl and penang. but...
OT: LGE orang JB. LOL

fear-mongering? well since bn always kutuk pr states, especially penang , and most of the allegations are misinformations, i dont see whats wrong with lge stating a view that actually has some truth in it.

u wear kadet polis uniform go out walk walk with a baton, people scare

14 years ago i live at mershing,johor, all i remember is the float and i play water

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Oct 31 2011, 02:39 AM

For some reason after reading this tered, I've to rethink whether to apply a jobs in SG (live in Johor)/Johor ...