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 Nokia Lumia 800, The first real windows phone by Nokia

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post Feb 15 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(blackorange @ Feb 15 2012, 02:54 PM)
ur microsim is DIY cut or the one digi give?
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Which reminds me:
Try to opt for proper micro-SIM replacement from your service provider when possible.

DIY or "potong" version may lead to some issue including the risk to damage. Although damage is very rare, but there're issues whereby one day, suddenly the sim card cannot be read and no network. If that happens when you need to make important calls (or imagine emergency situation....).....
For safety, try to go for proper micro-SIM replacement.
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post Feb 15 2012, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(blackorange @ Feb 15 2012, 05:20 PM)
actually i go to digi store at giant seri kembangan, and i told them i want to change to microsim, they said they only potong, no replacement lol.
anyway, i think my problem is gone. i dont know which steps solved it. i contacted digi support they said they reset my connection and ask me to reboot. i also take out the sim card and insert back.

now ok already.
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Normal Digi Store don't have replacement, have to go to Digi Centre. As temporary, can do this, but have to careful and make sure they cut properly to avoid damaging the sim reader slot.
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(christina1 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:39 PM)
serious lumia is better phone then iphone?
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Why not? It's basically just like iPhone, but it has homescreen and People Hub. It you're social network person, you will appreciate and like the People Hub.
Once you're used to it, it's hard to let go and switch to another phone that doesn't have such feature.

What iPhone have is probably more apps/games, more nice "animation" and also the branding.

Perhaps, it'll help if you know what you want and looking for?
1. What's important to you in a phone? Smooth? Fast? Camera? Or to show off and be proud of?
2. What apps/games that is important to you, especially the must have?
3. What else are you looking for?

Which phone is better it depends on how you prioritize each thing. In general, as a smartphone, technology world, iPhone is one of the worst smartphone with all the restrictions and limitations. BUT to a NORMAL user, they don't care about all those, all they care is: apps/games, BRAND, easy to use.
For individual, people who prioritize a camera, will consider a phone wit the best camera the best phone.
People who likes big screen, will love the Galaxy Note and calls it the best phone.
It really depends on YOU, what YOU want, what YOU are looking for. I can tell you the BEST smartphone, but if you don't appreciate all those things, then it's of no value to you. Most user just want a simple, easy to use phone and have many apps/games, in short, they don't really need a smartphone, but simply a simple phone that have many apps/games support.
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post Feb 16 2012, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Feb 16 2012, 02:34 AM)
At present, no. Lumia may have a more integrated social hub but it's not something essential that can't be replaced with an app. Many things still missing from the Lumia: tethering, video calling, and the 4S's camera is much better.
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The integration experience can never be replace with app, it's just so different.

Not everyone need tethering, but anyway, heard it will be available soon.
Video Calling, Face Time is not really the normal video calling, but Skype will be available soon too, but there's no front camera; Anyway, it may or may not be a vital feature as well, depend on individual.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Feb 16 2012, 08:21 AM)
deep within OS integration can never be replace by an app. If thats true they should have did it a long time ago. 4S camera better? still waiting someone to show its better than the nokia N8 so i can switch. I notice most ppl do is use app to edit only.

Even iOS atm u need install facebook, twitter, foursquare, linked in all separately.
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I will do a review SGS II vs Lumia 800 when i get my lumia unit.
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I think iPhone camera is good/better in terms of "usage", it's fast and smooth, easy to take photo; For normal user, they prefer this, fast, smooth, easy; Plus the 4S have HDR mode.

The Lumia camera app can configure metering mode, which is a plus for those who know how to utilize it. And not everyone goes into the detail of every picture they took, most of the time, they just view the photo in their iPhone screen size and happy already, then post to facebook or use instagram, poor/bad quality photos also can become unique.

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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Feb 16 2012, 09:44 AM)
Nokia said tethering would be available soon for the Lumia 800... 2.5 months ago. That's why I'm quite disappointed with Nokia, their idea of soon is too slow.

Lumia 800's lack of a front camera is also another dealbreaker for me.
I was only comparing the Lumia 800 and the iPhone 4S. The Nokia N8 is a totally different model that runs Symbian and has a 12MP camera.
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Tethering should be depend on Apps? I think not Nokia related unless it's Nokia specific.

Yup, it depends on how important is each feature/function to a person; For those who prioritize video calls, will become a deal breaker. Just like people who prioritize WhatsApp, without it available in N9 (MeeGo), it's a deal breaker for many people. It doesn't matter how great or nice the phone is, but if it lacks something important to a person, it'll become a deal breaker.

For the Lumia, they should at least provide the front camera, if future the support/feature available, even for apps like Skype, it'll be usable.
And Window Phone 8 is suppose to have external storage support, but current device doesn't have the hardware, it'll be unable to utilize the feature.

QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Feb 16 2012, 09:44 AM)
Yes, iOS  you need to install Facebook/Twitter separately, but every other 3rd party iOS application can launch and access those applications using iPhone URL Schemes.. The integrated hub in the Lumia 800 may be nice, but ultimately is there anything you can't do with an app (post status/image/URL) ?
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Relying on apps is different, you need to run services separately, you need to install the apps, you need to run/open the apps; The chat/instant messaging is all separated.

With social networks integrated, you have everything built-in, into 1 place, 1 account, your main contact book. All your chat/instant messaging is also merged into 1 place, the messaging/conversation; You can easily track/trace and resume your messaging from there and regarding of what services they're on. If they can integrate WhatsApp into it, it'll be even better.
With apps, you need to open separate app to chat/message, and you may need to sign in individually for each app. With integration, no such thing, once you're CONNECTED, you're also automatically sign-in and connected.
With social networks integrated, you can STILL have apps, so you have BOTH options; but without it, you can only rely on apps. The integration experience is very different and nice, once people are used to it, its very hard to change to another phone without it; Just like moving to a phone without WhatsApp support, something like that. Of course, there're some people who doesn't care, it really depends on individual and how much they appreciate the social networks integration.
It's just... very different.
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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Feb 16 2012, 09:58 AM)
It's Nokia specific. Their Lumia 900 already has tethering, and Mango supports tethering, it's just that they for some reason haven't added it to the Lumia 800.
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That's an App right? I suppose it can be found in marketplace or they control it by device? But if not available out of the box, means need to purchase, but it's possible they make it free for Lumia 800 if Nokia promise to make it available for Lumia 800.

If it's built-in OS feature, then all Windows Phone Mango should have it by default regardless or brand.
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QUOTE(xcen @ Feb 16 2012, 10:48 AM)
I think if you see it in a purely OS perspective, I would say that WP7.5 is leagues better than iOS. WP7.5 has all the functions of iOS and maybe even more. Siri is a gimmick, don't get me started on that. People use that more as a game than for anything really productive.

Social integration is an even more useful feature that WP7.5 did tremendously well.

WP7.5's design has won many praise and awards but I ackowledge that different people have different tastes in design.

When it comes to ecosystem, iOS wins hands down simply because iTune is still better than Zune, and iOS has better and more apps compared to WP7.5. Will this catch up soon enough? We'll see later.

In terms of phone, I cannot deny that iPhone4S is better than Nokia Lumia 800. 4S has a faster processor, front facing camer, better back camera, higher resolution screen, and overall the build quality rivals Lumia 800. (They're both equally good IMO, but iPhone is so common that you don't have the feel of being unique anymore.)

But the hardware advantages of the 4S comes with a price, at RM2.3k, it's about RM600 more expensive than Nokia Lumia 800. You can buy another Galaxy Ace/2nd hand 1st generation WP7 phone with that amount of money already.

IMO the question shouldn't be 'which is the better phone' but 'which phone suits me best?'

Is front facing camera really used at all? I know I don't use them, at all.

Are apps important? I find that WP7.5 provides me with every apps I need EXCEPT for some local apps such as Maybank2U and cinema showtimes etc. But they can be substituted with web alternative, although they are not as nice to use.

Are YOU attracted to the Metro Design?

How important is viewing all social feeds and get timely updates to YOU?

How important is integrated Messenger/Facebook Chat/SMS to YOU?

How much do YOU use Windows Live Services from Skydrive to OneNote? I personally use Windows Live services to the almost maximum. I feel it's much better than anything Google could offer.

So start asking what do YOU want, instead of which is the one phone that is better and rules them all.
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Very well said and clear point! thumbup.gif

Talk about iPhone price, let me just add: You can get something similar, also Apple brand, just without "GSM functionality", but at almost 1/3 of the price... Zheng Zheng Zheng... iPod Touch... Basically, iPhone is just an iPod Touch with added GSM functionality, and of course, slightly thicker.

So for me, I don't like iPhone for the price, the limitations/restrictions. I don't need it as a phone, I need a real smartphone. BUT, I want the apps/games. So, I got myself an iPod Touch, and I still can get a decent smartphone; I can get 2 device at the price of an iPhone, and I get to enjoy iOS with all it's apps/games and another proper smartphone for serious/real use.
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QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Feb 16 2012, 12:08 PM)
Has anyone done a comparison of Lumia 800 with N9? I just need to know 3 things :
- comparison of battery life
- comparison of push emails (any delays or almost instant, especially Gmail?)
- comparison of integration (which one is better e.g. contacts, Fb, Twitter etc).
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All 3 should be Lumia 900 better.

For integration, it's like 50-50 I think; there're somethings MeeGo better/has, but somethings MeeGo lack of. MeeGo FB share, you can post to "Albums", you can choose "quality", you can choose to keep/remove metadata. MeeGo has much more integration currently, to flickr, skype, etc.
As MeeGo may not have much enhancement on this part, or if it has, it will be very slow... Soon WP will catch up. I hope they will listen to the customers and add more features into the integration.


QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Feb 16 2012, 12:32 PM)
It's built-in, but disabled by Nokia. There's no app I know of currently that can let you tether on the Lumia 800.

Added on February 16, 2012, 12:33 pm
Yeah I'm giving Lumia and Windows Phone time to grow and become better.
I may purchase a Lumia in the future when they Microsoft/Nokia get their act together.
Just not now since the current OS and Lumia 800 doesn't fit my use case scenario.  nod.gif
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Weird; Do you know why Nokia disable it? If I know there is such thing, I would've ask this question during the previous preview session with Nokia.
They say coming soon, I thought it's app based, like those tethering apps found on other Nokia devices.

I think you can wait for Windows Phone 8, it will have external storage, and possibly front camera with Skype integrated.

The current Windows Phone is still very "fresh", but it's very smooth and stable.
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QUOTE(Mangachu @ Feb 16 2012, 01:35 PM)
y Nokia like that I got many old sms tones I wanna use cry.gif

Also any other way to transfer music without the Zune thing???
And is it only can transfer from 1 computer?
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Not Nokia, more like Microsoft since Windows Phone OS is by Microsoft.
Follow blindly too much footsteps of Apple's iOS; not sure why they didn't add this, but if there's no any special concerns, they should be able to add this feature in "someday".
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QUOTE(Nightengale @ Feb 16 2012, 04:29 PM)
Microsoft obviously wants to sell to us their 'complete suite of M$ services', that's why to use WP, we must use Zune, Bing, Windows Live, etc.

It's part of their marketing, except that they suck at selling the whole package compared to Google, who are expert at combining their complete set of services. ( Docs, Gmail, G+, etc)

If the Apollo leak is to be believed though, seems like Microsoft is stepping back in trying to shove some things down our throat, and we won't be forced to use Zune for syncing in the new update.
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The Zune concept is just like Apple's approach on iPhone/iOS. I think it's plain stupid to blindly follow what Apple did to iOS simple because iPhone is famous, and seems some others are also trying to follow blindly as well, e.g. eliminate homescreen, no flash, remove this, remove that. Just give the user options, it can be turn off by default. But removing completely or not providing, it's a different matter. Just because Apple did so, it doesn't mean it's the right or best move. They should take the good and drop the bad, not follow everything.

QUOTE(Mangachu @ Feb 16 2012, 04:41 PM)
my friends all say I shouldn't have bought the lumia 800

when I complain I cannot set custom SMS tone, one of them show me his galaxy phone and that one can

but I say at least iPhone also cannot set SMS tone, my other friend show me iPhone also now can

even iPhone can I so malu now...  cry.gif
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iPhone at first also cannot do many things, and some things only can do after jailbreak. If jailbreak, then it's not fair to compare.
Windows Phone is still very new, it's only 7.5 now from verison 7. It already have multi-tasking. iPhone 2G to iPhone 3G, still have no such feature; but anyway, it's a very simple feature, I have no idea why they didn't incorporate this.

It depends what you love; If you buy a phone because OTHER people like, is that what you want? Will you be happy? Don't buy things that OTHER PEOPLE like, buy things that YOU like.

There's no perfect smartphone, each and every smartphone also have it's pros and cons. What others can do, yours cannot do or don't have. But what your phone can do or have, others can't or don't have.


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QUOTE(marauderz @ Feb 17 2012, 12:05 AM)
I guess they figured most ppl only have one mobile.
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AMAZING! I mean... Microsoft? Seriously? Did they sub the WP OS to somebody else? They should not be someone new to mobile OS, plus, they also have their own DMBS software, etc. Even in their DB samples/tutorials, they know this... Seriously.
If it was the other fruit, then it's still understandable.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Feb 17 2012, 10:51 AM)
If 9am last till 12am its very normal for a smart phone I can finish my iPad battery in a day 9am to 7pm shut off
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SIFU, try not to let it shut off. No good for battery, although already have "safety" where it still keep some charge left, but it's better try to prevent shut off too often.
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QUOTE(Mangachu @ Feb 17 2012, 11:33 AM)
today my friends and me went to HTC shop, thinking of selling my magenta lumia and switchin to HTC Sensation XE... quite nice phone, got a widget like people hub, also can change sms tone!!!

Also no need to use zune liao... I think HTC more suitable for simple person like me...
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Android is not simple; I think you wanted a more powerful, flexible and customizable phone.

Added on February 17, 2012, 12:27 pm
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Feb 17 2012, 11:53 AM)
Thanks for the updates I know but that time really no choice lok
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Oh, ok~



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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Feb 17 2012, 01:25 PM)
Sure, different patterns of usage.. I'm asleep.. I'm not touching my phone - sure it's updating my mail feeds but seriously, it's supposed to use 50% in 7 hours? I'm not that naive to take that 335hrs 3G standby time at face value.  In fact at this point I'd be happy to take 20% of that advertised standby time.  Heck maybe even 10%.

If you bothered to read my earlier post, you would have seen that I'm already using the latest firmware and if you've not been following the news then yes, it does include the battery fix.  Phone is scheduled to refresh emails every 30 mins, not that it matters since I'm asleep.  Phone task manager has no apps running in the background.  Nokia charger that came with the phone.. i have no idea what "and etc" means nor do i think it's relevant.

I see you've not got the lumia 800 yet.  That's fine - I'm trying really hard to love the phone, it's features/feel is great.  What's stopping me is the unreasonable battery consumption.

Added on February 17, 2012, 1:26 pm

Thanks, that's the type of information that i wanted to hear, whether the power drain was normal or not in order to decide if i should take my phone to nokia care.
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Is there any app or built-in function in the OS which let you view the battery usage like Android? e.g. what's consuming the battery.
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Feb 17 2012, 05:19 PM)
Yes 3G is on.  Changed to edge and it looks like battery drain is down.  I will investigate further during the weekend.  Looking through the nokia forums it looks like this is a potential culprit although it's strange that some people don't have this problem.
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Did you install any specific apps?
Did you check your data usage before and after?
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Feb 18 2012, 09:05 AM)
how is this phone? better then 4s and S II
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It seems you just want simple straightforward answer to convince you to buy instead of detailed explanation.
If you come to Lumia forum, of course majority will say Lumia. Common sense.

If you're undecided and want safe, suggest you to get 4s and you will enjoy it more, it's like carrying LV/Prada handbags, your friends will most likely compliment you more and you will feel good.

If you really want people to tell you which is better for your needs, then you should at least tell us:
1. What is important in a mobile phone to you? Camera? Smoothness? Customization? etc
2. Do you worry and care about what other people think and will say on what phone you get?
3. Are you a brand conscious person?


QUOTE(xcen @ Feb 18 2012, 09:53 AM)
Flash will never ever come to Windows Phone.

Flash will soon disappear from mobile devices forever.
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Not exactly forever, the current and older devices will still have it. Only future devices "may" or "may not" not have it.
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Feb 18 2012, 10:15 AM)
thnx for ur opinion i prefer user friendly phone which can facebook,IM,surf the internet...
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All 3 phone and can do it. There's app for Facebook and IM.
1. S2 will be more complicated and more laggy. (not friendly)
Advantage: Got homescreen and you can customize the homescreen (put wallpapers, put icons, put widgets) and nice display.

2. 4s will be friendly and easy to use, smooth and simple. No homescreen, straight App menu.
Advantage: Nice animation and look, nice display, fun and easy to use camera, got SIRI, and a lot of apps/games.

3. Lumia will also be friendly and easy to use, smooth and simple but the display and animation (OS) will be in flat 2D and limited apps/games.
Advantage: Tiles homescreen with little/limited customization. Social Network (e.g. Facebook, IM) integration into the contact book (means all your contacts from Facebook and IM which are supported will be integrated/merged into the contact book as 1 account). When you open your friend contact, you can see their Facebook and supported IM details, etc.
For people who loves social networking will appreciate this feature as everything is in 1 place, easy to see, easy to manage, etc.

For apps/games, it depends what you want, it maybe available in all 3 phones (platform).

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QUOTE(christina1 @ Feb 18 2012, 10:46 AM)
thnx 4 for this ...wat phone r u using btw?
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Xperia Pro (Android) and Nokia N9 (MeeGo).

The Lumia 800 will arrive on Monday.
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Feb 18 2012, 10:55 AM)
wow..great
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Forgot to ask:
What phone are you using now?
What do you like and don't like about it?
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