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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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post Dec 8 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 6 2011, 01:38 AM)
Yea I Only Seen One So Far On The Road. Its Under Populated. Ford Doesnt does any advertisement on Mondeo (Maybe i miss them) But So Far I Dont See Any. The Previous Mondeo was not using ECOBOOST Technology Thats Why It Doesnt Get Attention. Price was same with a 2.3 Engine. Who Would Want It? Just Another High Mantainance Executive Continental Car. doh.gif

The Star have compared a few executive cars and rated Mondeo The Best Value For Money Car.   icon_idea.gif

Fiesta Is A Compact Car.. Many People are interested in it. Its A good car for a moderate income family. But i dont like its design though.
Anyway In Performance You Go Find Me A Car With Almost The Same Specs With Almost The Same Price...  tongue.gif

I Booked A Ford Car, So You Think Im A Ford Salesman? Think Before Insulting!  vmad.gif
So do you still believe that your salesman is talking sense when he said its so easy to sell Mondeos? Do u still believe that Mondeo sales are sooo good? For your info, only 6 Mondeo's were sold in Sept and only 56 in total so far this year. Does that sound like a great sales record for you? Even Porsche sold more Cayenne's than the Mondeo and that's a luxury car. Ecoboost or not, Mondeo's dont appeal here in Malaysia. Looks good in pics but not in reality especially the rear. Surely not a head turner.

Take these stats and go see your salesman and see what he has to say bout his sales record. How i hate these lying salesmen! vmad.gif

The Star may have done a review but ive yet a read a poor review on the Peugeot 508. Ive read some poor reviews bout the Passat 1.8. Its even ranked among the Top 10 most disappointing cars of 2011 along with the 2012 Honda Civic.

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post Dec 11 2011, 12:12 PM

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I finally did a test drive on the Peugeot 508 at TTDI branch.

I must say that im very impressed with the acceleration and torque. We had 4 ppl in the car (with the salesman). The power feed is almost instantaneos when you floor the pedal. But the gearshifts are not that smooth as i would expect from a new generation car. I think almost similar to a 2003 Vios.

Sound insulation is good with infiltration of road noise into the cabin at minimum. Managed to hit 110kmph on Sprint and was impressed with the sound insulation. At that speed, the engine had a low purring sound when pushed which further demonstrated the good cabin insulation. The Michelin tyres also made a difference too i suppose. Didnt get a chance to go faster as there was traffic. Would have loved to push it to 140kmph and really get a feel of the insulation then.

But i must say i wasnt impressed with the suspension. Felt harsh going over bumps and potholes in TTDI. Surely wasnt expecting that with a premium car. Salesman claimed that's due to the bigger 18 inch rims but i doubt this was the case.

But im now having 2nd thoughts bout the car due to the rear. It didnt look that bad in the showroom but on the road and when viewed outside, the rear end doesnt look impressive at all. Gave the car an overall old feeling. The front was impressive as expected but the rear was a disappointment.

Also the much touted JBL sound system was a bit of a let down. Sitting in the rear you dont get the surround sound effect. Despite the salesman toying with the balancing and equalisers, it was still 1 sided (front). Rear speakers was almost non existant.

The rear seats also wasnt that comfortable on longer drives. Didnt feel it during my showroom visits but on the longer drive it wasnt as comfy as i would have expected.

For RM 169K, I think ill wait for the upcoming Camry before i decide. But my enthusiasm for the 508 has somewhat deminished after my test drive yesterday. Will do a few more test drives in the coming months.

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QUOTE(zftrans @ Dec 11 2011, 09:46 PM)
Hey bro, I have had the pleasure of owning the 508 for 4 days now and my previous car was a Camry. The ride/handling focus is definitely setup differently to the Camry. The Camry's primary aim is comfort and I feel Toyota has done a wonderful job in achieving that. Whereas, the 508 is more of a cornering performer than all out comfort cruiser so its two different setups here. European cars generally have a biased setup towards handling than outright comfort. To say that the 508 is uncomfortable would be very unfair, Peugeot has done a good job at striking the balance between comfort and performance. Just over potholes, it may feel a little firm, but over time and you will grow onto it. There were times, when I wished the Camry had a little bit more cornering capabilities on the highway instead of feeling like a comfortable barge which was very understeer prone esp the rear, but the 508 has cured this problem.

I expected more from the JBL sound system myself, but to be honest, the rear speakers are there just to create the bass when required, not much mids and high's from it that's why it may sound non existent. However there is a setting in the audio setup, you can choose either "driver' or "all passengers" for the sound staging and personally this makes all the difference in the surround sound it produces.

I agree that the rear looks really good when the car is stationary, but when on the move, the same can't be said. It makes the car look bulky, and at certain vantage points, the "old" feeling comes to mind. But with the running lights on, I have been getting all the stares from curious bystanders and neighboring cars at traffic lights. It's definitely a looker and manages to attract "good" attention to itself.

I am happy with my choice, the car is way nicer to drive than a Camry, more involving. The Camry is boring, and very monotonous. The 508 on the other hand, is a eager one to be pushed into corners, and accelerate out of traffic lights stops. Maybe another drive in the 508 and you may see the light in it. Cheers buddy smile.gif
Well i did try for a 2nd test drive today but there were many ppls waiting to test drive so didnt get a chance. Will surely give it a few more tries.

I didnt generalise the 508 as being uncomfortable. Just the rear seats which sorta didnt fit in. Im a slim guy so no weight factor there. The sound system was set to 'all passengers' and yet it made no difference.

Cornering abilities dont rank that high for me. Im always carefull on corners. I would surely prefer the Camry comfort & supple suspension to the 508's cornering abilities.

But i can accept the suspension and sound systems but what im still far away from is the rear design. It surely looks old fashioned from afar and nowadays when u have the sporty cars like the Hyundai Elantra and Kia Optima coming, one would expect a better rear design from Peugeot especially since they did a good job on the front.
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QUOTE(cdubliew @ Dec 12 2011, 07:45 AM)
Ya man, and on top of that, you should check out something like the "Teana vs Camry" thread instead of an all-european thread like this.... over there, comfort rules!
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post Dec 12 2011, 07:33 PM

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I suddenly started looking at the Audi A4 1.8TFSI today. Price is approx RM 240K (OTR with insurance). Not sure if it would be worth the extra 70K over the 508.

http://www.audi.com.my/sea/brand/my/models/a4/a4_saloon.html


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QUOTE(Mavik @ Dec 13 2011, 05:13 PM)
The only issue with the A4 is the damn waiting list. Heck especially now with the new facelifted model. Uncle had to wait around 8 months for his A4. If can, why not aim for a 2nd hand one.

http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+FSI-12834788.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8T+S+Line-12734856.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Audi+A4+1+8+Turbo-12154615.htm

Euromobil's service isn't that fantastic, they are also extremely anal about the warranty (heck my uncle was threatened that if he did tinting outside they would void his warranty which was utter BS).
They are offering a RM 4,600 discount from the nett selling price for sales before 31 Dec. New batch arriving in 2 weeks time. But i heard there's a new A4 due to be launched mid 2012. So if i do decide to go for the existing model, it would be best to wait for 2012 and get better discounts.
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An interesting read about Ford after sales service:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1989339/+1000

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post Dec 14 2011, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(DesmondMiles @ Dec 14 2011, 07:01 PM)
Have you take a look at the Passat CC? Nice Design Around That Price Range.. thumbup.gif

A4 Looks a bit odd sweat.gif
Passat CC is more expensive. Approx RM 265K (OTR with insurance).

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 16 2011, 04:57 PM)
Riding in a passat feels remarkable similar to an Audi A4... just test driven the passat yesterday at Wearnes Sg. Besi, overall good car but very dissapointed with the semi electronic leather front seats . RM185k car without fully adjustable electronic seats  doh.gif
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We were refering to the Passat CC not the 1.8TSI. The TSI is pretty ugly and looks outdated. Specs wise it looses heavily to the Peugeot 508. The only thing going for it is the DSG and engine. I dont think we're gonna see much of it on the road. International reviews dont rate the 1.8TSI highly.
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Any more updates from the current owners? Any issues? So far ive seen 3 508's on the road. Quite good for a newly launched continental car.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 01:23 PM)
how about the new Kia Optima K5? smile.gif RM145k

im driving the 508, so far im still loving it. FC is not impressive but overall it's a good car, lots of family n friends sat in the car going 150km+ and most of them said it's more quiet and stable compared to other D Segments like Camry / Accord.

some small lil problems like mine was having wiring probs on the gear box, was fixed in a day at the SC. and now some squeaking sounds on the absorber/suspension when going through a bump. suspension like what you mentioned, a lil rough but it gives you really nice and solid cornerings. power wise n gear box transmissions, it's not impressive like the Mondeo, but it's good enough.

other than that, it's all good! oh ya, pearl white is a biatch, haha got to clean her so often.

Hitting 2500 mileage now, sending in for first service next week.
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I test drove the 508 again last weekend. This time had 3 adults in the back seat. According to them it was quite bumpy and uncomfortable especially over bumps and uneven roads. That is a concern for me cz it didnt feel like a premium car. Power, pickup and specs are great but the suspension is starting to become another issue. The more i drive the 508 the more convinced im that its not the car for me. With 3 adults at the back, the rear end becomes really low and unimpressive as well.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 01:50 PM)
Yeap I do agree over bumps and uneven roads is not comfortable, that's probably due to the settings of their suspension. It's supposed to be a more sporty ride. Can't really have a perfect car with that price range, if it's comfortable on bumpy roads then you might lack the grip and handling during higher speeds on curve roads etc. unless you opt for recond premium cars wink.gif

I heard Teana / Camry is really comfortable, but the looks put me off. Common and dated looking car, specs wise Camry is not on par with the 508. I'm just 28, so maybe it's not my cup of tea.

it really depends to one's preference! smile.gif Pros and cons no matter which you pick, and pick what suits you the best.
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The Teana has always been an Uncle's car. Poor design. The Camry is not too bad and has that premium look which the 508 lacks. But the upcoming Camry will be better with better specs. Im quite sure ill end up with that. Gonna see the Optima now.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Dec 27 2011, 02:16 PM)
which showroom got the Optima ? biggrin.gif Interested to kepo as well
Just returned after seeing the Kia Optima at Naza TTDI. They have a Pearl white unit there.

I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra.

Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category.

No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508.

Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now.

Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated.

Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry.

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Ill probably decide when i can get info bout the specs of the upcoming Malaysian Camry. Not sure how late that will be. But either way, even if i do go for the Optima, i surely wont settle for a 2011 unit. The loss in depreciation is too great to be ignored. Same goes for the 508. Ill wait for a 2012 model (which should come by March 2012). Hopefully by that time, we'll have more details bout the new Camry or any other models that might be launched that time.

Btw, im targetting a WWR number plate which should arrive by May/June 2012.

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 29 2011, 01:55 PM)
From what I saw online, the latest Camry will come in 2.5litre version  brows.gif
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM)
looks like u have made up ur mind, no need me to tell u, hehe, still cannot let the T brand go away, hehe, anyhow i predict camry will come with keyless entry, dual vvti, dual zone aircond, auto light, gps optional, 4 airbags, and 5 speed gb and 6 speed for 2.5,
they my have a camry hybrid introduced,
No i think Toyota has done away with the 5 speed GB for the Camry. If they still have it, im surely not buying a Camry. notworthy.gif

But im currently inclined towards the Kia Optima while moving further away from the 508. Saw another unit on the road and the rear does look cacat.
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I would like to know the pickup & FC on the Kia Optima. On paper, the HP and torque dont look impressive taking into account the heavy body. 0-100kmph in 10.9 secs is poor by today's standards.
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QUOTE(cdubliew @ Jan 4 2012, 11:46 AM)
Road tax: RM 90
Cost of petrol per km (long distance): 16 sen
Seeing the surprised look when you overtake (rather effortlessly) the 2.4l Japanese makes: PRICELESS!

Lesson: Stop looking just at the cc, start looking at the power to weight ratio and the torque/power curve  :-)
Yes its all about the output from the engine and higher cc engines dont neccessarily produce more power compared to lower cc ones. The Kia Optima gives out 165Hp and only 198Nm trque compared to 156Hp & 240Nm torque on the Peugeot 508.
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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 15 2012, 01:01 AM)
So what is the verdict? Which car is value for money in msia?
Not really sure. Great specs for sure. BUt not sure how current sales are. But read this:

http://cbt.com.my/120112/tuv-toyota-prius-...scores-well-too

Quite a few Korean / Peugeot makes in the bottom half of the survey while Toyota appears in the top 10 list for all age groups surveyed.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 21 2012, 10:05 PM)
WTF? after promote 508 kau kau now go for cheaper optima??  hmm.gif
Well that was before the Optima was launched and b4 i test drove the 508 4 times.


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