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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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post Jan 23 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2012, 11:54 AM)
so what was the result after 4 times of testing 508? not as good as optima?
Havent tested the Optima so cant say for sure. But im worried about ride comfort with the 18 inch wheels. Also, many reports say the Optima is sluggish. NOt sure whats the kerb weight of the car. Its surely more than 1450kg.
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post Jan 26 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 23 2012, 02:59 PM)
passat cannot ler.. the looks so boring. like late 90s toyota. sad.gif  but strangely the smaller jetta looks nice..
Yes i agree. The Passat 1.8TSI really looks boring. Seen very few on the road but doesnt even raise eyebrows. The Jetta seems a better bet but still looks very outdated.

By the way, i managed to test the Optima yesterday. Managed to hit 120-130kmph on Sprint Hw and was quite impressed with the NVH, handling and rear suspension comfort. Rear suspension comfort better than the 508 for sure. But unlike the 508, the Optima is sluggish from startup (as expected) due to the heavier body weight and lower torque. But has good mid range pickup.
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post Jan 27 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 26 2012, 11:49 PM)
How about mondeo? Just curious why Malaysian r so rigid despite knowing this car rated the best family mid size sedan car in many country in Europe n Australia.
Europeans and Australians dont pay the kind of prices we do here in Malaysia. The Mondeo also doesnt have the looks like the Optima. It actually looks quite old from the rear just like the Passat 1.8. Spec wise the Peugeot 508 offers more for a RM10K cheaper price tag. Sime Darby's after sales service record in Malaysia seems to be worse than Naza. Plus not that many service centres around for Ford compared to Naza.
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Jan 27 2012, 10:25 AM)
So which one you decided to choose? For you the deterring factor of the 508 is the ugly back, and you decided to wait for Camry 2012. Now that the 2012 Camry is launched elsewhere in the world, it seems that the back of it is worse than anything else. Going Optima? I went to KIA showroom in ampang to have a look at the Optima, but the interior is as exciting as ermm...watching paint dry?
Yes the interior is nothing to shout about. The 508 has a much better interior. But then again, no such thing as a complete car rite? The 508's main deterring factor is the rear suspension comfort.

So with its specs, decent handling, good NVH, excellent exterior design, the 5 yr unlimited mileage warranty,generous rear legroom and average pricing (although i would prefer it to be lower), i think the Optima is winning the battle for me.

But ill do a few more test drives before i make a decision.
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post Jan 30 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 27 2012, 08:18 PM)
200 BHP Power / 300 Nm Torque for the Mondeo vs 156 / 240 for the Pug 508 vs 162 / 250 for the Passat
Not very correct. Ure getting the HP and PS confused a bit. The HP and torque for the 3 models are: Mondeo (200/300), Peugeot (156/240) and Passat 1.8TSI (158/250).
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 30 2012, 06:38 PM)
Passat is listed as 160 PS... that's 162 BHP or 118 kW. Please recheck your conversions... anyhow 2 or 4 BHP isn't gonna make much difference in the big picture... it's nitpicking.  doh.gif
Friend, 160PS = 158HP. PS is a bigger unit than HP. 162HP is 120.8kW not 118kW. Its not about making a difference. Its about representing accurate facts.

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Some interesting specs bout the upcoming Toyota Camry. 1465kg kerb weight, 146Hp and 190Nm torque. Pretty pathetic figures for a new generation Camry. Even the new Optima churns out 163Hp and 198Nm torque.
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 31 2012, 09:02 AM)
2.0 version? Would this be on a new engine slapping a new shell onto old everything else?

The figures are dismal if true.  shakehead.gif
It is true. Reported on the Toyota Japan website yesterday. Toyota is really shooting themselves in the foot with this.
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post Feb 6 2012, 05:27 PM

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Any updates on the sales figures for the Peugeot 508?

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 7 2012, 08:43 AM)
still keeping this 508 as a buy option?  biggrin.gif
Ill only make my final decision in April. So till then anything is possible. But yes, the Optima is the front runner now.
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Feb 8 2012, 09:28 AM)
Waiting for 2012 batch CBU cars to arrive? What sold you on the K5?
Not really. Im still considering models. Ill surely get a 2012 model only but still havent decided between the Optima, Camry, Audi A4 & BMW 3 Series. But the Optima is in front cuz of the design, specs and cheaper price compared to the other models. Drivability is also good.
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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 13 2012, 07:39 PM)
I am new to this forum. I got my 508 for a month now. I don't find the rear suspension is a problem to me, just that something you have to know that the original tires pressure shipped from France is way higher than the needed.

The recommended pressure is 35 psi (240 KPa) front and 32 psi (220 KPa) rear. My tyres are about 45 psi at front and about 40 psi at rear so if the SC not making any changes to the tires before your test drive, you should feel uneasy the whole car not yet the rear.

So far the driving feel and gadgets inside the car is something I enjoy daily. I heard that no Malaysia map available for 508 which is something very disappointed but still many things else to play with.
What other D segment cars have you driven or tested before? The problem with the rear suspension has nothing to do with the tyre pressure. The main problem is the 18 inch rims. The problem becomes even worse when u have a full load behind. Even the salesman admitted the rear suspension is not tuned for comfort and its made worse by the large rims. Ive test driven the 508 about 4 times ( different cars) to date so im quite sure about the rear suspension.

Have you tested the Kia Optima? It too has 18 inch rims but the comfort is still there due to the high performance dampers and sliding valve mechanism. The shock absorbers are also gas.
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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:01 AM)
I am tested Camry, Accord, Sonata, Lexus IS250, Mazda 6 & Passat in 2011 for Segment D. I didn't test drive Optima yet cause I already own 508 that time.

I did ask my wife who use to sit behind and she admits it feels better when tires pressure were reduce to what it should. It won't feel so bumpy and I can feel the cruise is much smoother hitting bumpy roads. To me it is an obvious different before and after the change of tires pressure. My maximum load is 4 adults behind total 6 persons in the car, it is still no big deal for my requirement.  wink.gif Maybe you have higher requirement for rear suspension, thus you have to look for what your desire most. I still think the suspension for Peugeot is slightly better than M6 which has 18" rim as well. M6 ride maybe slightly more rough than 508. Passat is another decent drive just maybe too uncle and pricy for me. Without keyless entry is a no no for my requirements.

So far all the 508 owners in forum have yet to complain about the rear suspension except the tires pressure. Just my 2 cents.
So u tested the Camry, Accord, Lexus, M6 and Passat and you found the suspension of the Peugeot 508 to be as good or even better despite 4 adults sitting behind?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:22 AM)
So u tested the Camry, Accord, Lexus, M6 and Passat and you found the suspension of the Peugeot 508 to be as good or even better despite 4 adults sitting behind?

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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:34 AM)
Yes, Camry and Accord are out for me, the rest is acceptable and 508 for 4 adults frequent usage has no problem especially the tires pressure were reduced to normal. Wind noise from windows is more annoying if you don't turn on the speakers. But that doesn't happen until you hit 130km/h without turn on your sound system.
Bro, the Jap models suspension are tuned for comfort and with the smaller rims and yet you found the suspension of the 508 to be less harsh or bumpy in comparison? Its common knowledge that most conti cars are tuned for handling while Japs are tuned for comfort.

There's only 1 explanation: Your focus was not the suspension when you test drove. You seem to be more interested in the specs rather than the mechanical parts of the car.

When you were test driving the car, was the radio on? Were all of you talking? Was the salesman talking alot to you? Was the aircon at high blast? All these are typical techniques used by salesmen to keep the focus off the negative aspects of the car.

Where did you test drive? What was the route? Type of road? Did you slam the car into potholes and take speed bumps at higher than normal speeds?

Did you test those cars above with the same 3 adult passengers at the back in order to make a decent comparision?

I tested the Camry, Accord, Teana and Kia Optima on the same day with my same 3 friends. That was the 3rd time i tested the Peugeot 508.

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QUOTE(yclam5729 @ Feb 14 2012, 01:43 PM)
It depends how you define preferred suspension. For me is whenever the car hit bumpy road/ pot holes, the less I feel it the better I prefer.

No I don't do such a good comparison with the same people at the same day but I do off the sound system when I test drive. I only drive 1 person behind, I still prefer the conti suspension except Lexus which is equally good. What I emphasis is the tires pressure does make huge different for the same size of tires. Yes, 18" with 45 will have less discomfort compare to 65, but after I change to the right tires pressure, I feel good about 508 suspension.

Of course, this is very subjective from one to another,  if you still prefer Jap or Korean make where suspension is your first priority and you think they are better, then go ahead with that choice, don't bother what people say.

Bare in mind why I started this reply to you is I just want to make you aware of the tires pressure that is too high for all the cars you tested unless the SA change it which I doubt.(My SA doesn't even tell me when pass me the car I doubt most SA even aware or bother to change at the test drive car; I only learnt from Forum).
Yes agreed. All cars usually come with overinflated tyres especially CBU cars. The reason for this is for easier handling in tight spaces during loading/unloading. On the road, it helps save fuel when going for Puspakom inspections. I dont see how much it would save but thats what they do. But what im saying is that most if not all the test drive cars come with over-inflated tyres so typre pressure shouldnt be a yardstick rite?
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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Mar 30 2012, 08:47 PM)
Hi guys, I have been googling all over regarding the cars which m planning to get, earliest from June, latest by the end of this yr..

Am kinda confused between both Peugeot 508 and the Optima...

am really interested in which car cybermaster is getting..

And sleepy, have u found any problem with ur 508? and hows Naza's service so far?
Well, after about 6-7 test drives and detailed analysis, im quite sure of getting the Optima K5. Seems to be the best looking car with the best warranty coverage out there. Spec wise its a tad lower than the 508 but still beats all the Japs.

4 main drawbacks of the 508 (in my opinion):

1) Design - rear design is poor and overall doesnt have a wow factor
2) Warranty terms
3) Too many issues on the 308T have yet to be resolved. Good chance of it being repeated in the 508
4) Rear seat discomfort over bumps/uneven roads - due to 18 inch tyres and harder suspension
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QUOTE(4Rings @ Mar 31 2012, 09:46 AM)
My friend just booked a Passat 1.8 CBU unit. He got it for RM169K +, RM18K discount.
That price is not inclusive insurance rite? Anyway, are u sure its CBU? Why would they wanna offer a CBU Passat with a discount unless its a 2011 manufactured model?
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QUOTE(williamhltdudu @ Mar 31 2012, 01:13 PM)

And Cybermaster, hav u booked th optima yet? I have all the worries u hav on 508 as well..  hav u tried to put two cars next to each other? from wat I feel, the 508 has more elegant feeling to it? and hows the suspension, body-roll and the steering of the optima compared to 508?
Ive tested both a number of times both high speed highway and on the poor uneven roads in TTDI. I prefer the comfort and handling of the Optima. Rear seat passengers will be more comfortable with the Optima due to the gas shock absorbers and high performance dampers. Ive also taken the Optima on roundabouts at around 80kmph to test body roll and road holding and i was impressed.

You can see more comments on the Optima here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1931461/+1740

But the 508 has surely got more power with its 240Nm Turbo engine while the Optima is a bit sluggish with only 198Nm torque. Interior wise, the 508 looks more classy and its specs are marginally better than the Optima. But then again, the 508 also costs RM 27,000 more.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 28 2011, 08:19 AM)
Just to list down the spec list on the Peugeot 508 for your info:

1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode
2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm
3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS)
7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA)
8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR)
9) 6 airbags
10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection)
11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake
12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers)
13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD)
14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated)
15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system
16) Rain sensing auto wipers 
17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column
18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier
19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening)
20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button
21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger
22) 7” HD multi function colour screen
23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display
24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking)
25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering
26) Premium leather
Peugeot specs are better than the Kia Optima for sure but i guess ure paying an extra RM 27K for it:

The complete specs for the Optima:

2) 6 speed automatic with paddle shifters and Eco mode
3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights
4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL)
5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights
6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers
7) Electric foldable side mirrors
8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags)
9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD)
12) Traction Control System (TCS)
13) Hill Assist Control (HAC)
14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC)
15) Brake Assist System (BAS)
16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera
17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock
18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock
19) Auto Cruise Control
20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel
21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve
22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer
23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity
24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents
25) 8 way power seat (driver) with dual memory function
26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key
27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display
28) Premium Leather seats
29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof
30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America




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QUOTE(sleepy @ Mar 31 2012, 01:45 PM)
Well everything is covered under warranty but you will have to leave your car at the sc for them to change the parts, and nasim sc is well known to be slow in this department. Timing chain is around 1k and the tensioner 700+? Anyway not all the cars get this problem. Some is reaching 70k and still going strong. So depends on luck.
Pity Peugeot's warranty is only 3 years or 100,000km. Kia's main selling point now is its 5 year unlimited mileage warranty. Good move by Kia there to quell all the talk on quality and durability. Nasim should have done the same with the 508.

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