from my opinion, model harimau Muda ni dah bagus. jika each state sanggup keluarkan bajet untuk support football, kita akan ada 14 team yang training dekat luar negara, instead of one. this way we will have a larger pool of talent to be picked. tapi the issue here is money.

I think we have come to a time where the whole country itself kena beralah dengan sukan bola sepak in terms of money spend to improve our football "industry". jangan takut berbelanja besar, yang penting perbelanjaannya yang betul dan efektif.

di Jepun, nak develop satu player 2,3 juta dibelanje.
kita 2,3 juta untuk satu team. mane same. duhh.

itu saya sokong, tapi antara benda yang paling utama,

antara prinsip yang perlu kita pegang kalau mahu lihat malaysia menang piala dunia ialah

HENDAK SERIBU DAYA, BERJUTA USAHA, TAK HENDAK SERIBU DALIH, BERJUTA ALASAN

contohnya macam antara pemain terbaik di dunia ini Frank Ribery yang skill gelecek bola dia antara tahap dewa sungguh, lari pun macam pelesit


masa kecil dia sepatutnya sudah mampus sebab kemalangan terlampau teruk, kepala dia kena minimum 100 jahitan dan rupa bentuk muka dia sudah habis lari, tapi benda tu tak menghalang dia langsung untuk jadi antara pemain terbaik abad ini di perancis dan juga perancis.

Cristiano Ronaldo, keyakinan dia amat tinggi sungguh sampai dia amat berani kata dalam setiap perlawanan dia akan kalahkan minimum 5 orang pertahanan, tak ada dapat kalahkan dia, dan dia memang sudah berjaya buktikan pun.

Roberto Baggio pula sepanjang kareer dia main bola dengan guna satu setengah kaki sahaja sebab cedera teruk kena tackle di liga itali,
tapi benda tu tak pernah langsung halang dia untuk jadi pemain di Itali


Gattuso pula main amat sungguh-sungguh sampai dikatakan sekarang sebelah mata dia sudah buta..

jurulatih negara China sebelum ni, masa kempen kelayakan piala dunia sebelum ni dia pernah kata kalau cina tak dapat masuk kejuaraan piala dunia, dia akan terjun bunuh diri dari tembok besar cina, dan negara cina memang berjaya masuk piala dunia masa tu !!

diaorang semua ni cinta kepada sukan bola sepak, azam, keyakinan sentiasa di tahap amat tertinggi, kita pula asyik sibuk buat alasan macam-macam

This post has been edited by jiwangpop: Nov 20 2011, 11:44 AM

Bump

meanwhile in japan, how they train their footballers


fuuuhh, they really apply captain tsubasa comic/manga crazy ideas

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Added on November 25, 2011, 2:32 pmanother Japanese footballer training from official ADIDAS JAPAN youtube channel, juggle and balancing the egg on their feet




Japanese footballers power shot training, shoot perfect and breaking the wood


Japanese footballers ball control training, collect all the ball and put it in the same place together


This post has been edited by hack3line: Nov 25 2011, 02:32 PM

we should have a lot of talented player like farkri..enuff said

to all those who commented negatively.. take a look at yourself.. What is YOUR contribution? apa sumbangan anda?

How to contribute?? Instead of just BPL and La Liga... Support the local league too...

Send your children for a football academy... encourage them all the time.. Be part of your own local society's football academy..

Promote the games via FB,Blogs,Twitter and all kind of new media...

HARIMAU MALAYA DOT COM... there is a place to start.. be passionate with our own team.. cos we are being represented by them...

If we start complaining too much.. but contributes nothing.. Its probably best if you just make yourself busy with other sports... Recent success in SEA GAMES shows the level that we are currently in...

A true Supporter is the one who always stand behind the team even if the team is losing...

maybe kita boleh join venture dengan team myanmar in terms of sharing football knowledge. from the semi final game I can see their player are quite skilful, one level better than us in terms dribbling. so brazillian like. gentel bola melekat dekat kaki.

our next transformation/ nurture target are strikers/ wingers that have speed, stamina and most of all skill and not to forget football brain!!!

i remember when i watched Astro Arena,mr Richard Scully said that we have 14 of potential Nazmi-like player that will come to Young Tigers' squad

so,in one part,FAM already did their part in improving our int'l football.now it's up to all the state FA/club to do the same

Spoke to someone who has a "B" coaching license but was told he cannot apply for an "A" license because you need to have been a former state player amongst other criteria. Anyway, he enlightened me on one specific issue - team selection.


-         To play in the national team you need to be part of IPT (Institute Pergajian Tinggi) and every year they will have the IPT tournament for football/futsal and also other sports.
-          And IPT consists of all the government colleges & universities in Malaysia and one of the requirements to play for the national team is that you need to play in this league coz this is where the scouting happens.
-          Last time only government colleges and universities were allowed to play so colleges like Monash, Sunway, Inti, etc can’t take part.
-          Only recently they started to open up but no other colleges & universities have taken part. The closest is University Tun Abdul Razak.

I think this explains why you don't see too many Indians or Chinese in local football teams. It isn't about the lack of money certainly. I think they need to run more programmes at private universities as well. Also, limiting it to universities means that poor rural kids whose parents can't afford tertiary education for them, miss out.

thats strange.....

most national team players jump straight from SSBJ to the national team.. i doubt half of them passed their SPM.... let alone proceeding for tertiery education...

and part time amaterur IPT league level is too low.... one would rate them lower than the President Cup U-21 level...

although, there are recent effort by K. Rajagobal to absorb amateur Malaysia University Team players, namely K. Reuben and that balding UiTm defender, into the national team, but that are more exception than norm. And they also readily admit that level of fitness was way different between League players and IPT league level players....

i would like to modify your theory a bit.

national team players selected from SSBJ. SSBJ students are selected from primary school tournaments. I think this explains why you don't see too many Indians or Chinese in local football teams.

Not my theory actually I'm repeating what I was told by this bloke I mentioned. Like I said, he is trying to get his class "A" coaching license but was denied. He plays for a pretty good team and participates in local tournaments.

there are football and futsal tourney held between public and private college/uni.for private institution,those are under MASISWA(majlis sukan institusi swasta).
i dunno about your place but in sabah they did football/futsal tourney alot.lads from Masterskill,Inti,KBU college all attended,alongside UMS,UiTM and polytechnic lads

and about them rural kids,there are always football clinics/participation held by either KBS,state FA or political party(UMNO.yes UMNO.i only see them organize sports tourney.usually badminton and sepak takraw,but there are also football). those players you see playing in local league,a large bit are from rural area.

the IPT league are there to make university students to be more physically active,and to find raw gem to be absorbed in the state/national team.

it's hard to find chinese player because they are into either bowling or basketball nowadays. luckily sabahan chinese people are more adventurous and there are chinese players already in Sabah FC(kinda like feeder club to sabah FA) and UMS

I can't imagine why the Chinese would avoid football by choice. I mean it pays much better than bowling or basketball.

I think it's safe to say that there are ample local tournaments but the questions is, are there scouts present? Also what age groups are present during these tournaments? Primary level would be a good place to start looking and identifying talent that you can still mold and develop. The thing about clinics are that they are often one off. You pick up a few tips but still, you need a coach to guide and push you, hence the importance of academies. How do we fare when it comes to academies? Do we have enough? Are the coaches sufficiently qualified? Are development programmes at these academies adequate?

if you play professionally,yes football would pay much better than bowling and basketball.

but would they take that chance?perhaps.perhaps not.to go pro even in malaysia level is hard. and only then it will pay handsomely

the academy-thingy is what people are crying loud about.the only true football academy here is SSBJ. only now some state FA take the academy proposal seriously(like kelantan's ARMY).it's hard to establish the academy though,and thats why team like Sabah FA established feeder club(Sabah FC) to find new players from all over the state.

with renewed interest in grassroot football in Malaysia,i hope we could find more player for our National team.14 players with "footballing brains"(like Mr Richard Scully said) is good start but still not enough

Do you reckon that we're guilty of being a little too proud and perhaps we do require foreign expertise? I mean even England broke tradition and hired foreign managers to stem their decline in the form of Sven Goran Erickson and now Fabiola Capello. Japan and South Korea, both Asian giants we used to beat employ foreigmanger hers and coaches. What else did they do right that we didn't? We had in the past employed the likes of Josef Venglos and Claude Le Roy, both of whom went on to lead teams into the World Cup but it was reported neither really had full control over the selection of players and neither was kept on for very long. We seem to change managers like we change t-shirts but the problem lies not with the manager I feel. Foreign expertise has developed local champions in badminton, bowling, cycling, archery, shooting and swimming, so why not football? I've met a few people who are linked with overseas academies and they seem to have some solid ideas. What I've heard however is that FAM aren't exactly the most open-minded people hence why these academies and largely available only to private schools students whose parents can afford to pay for it. Why not adopt proven systems?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Nov 29 2011, 09:59 PM

Kalau x reti main bola, takkan nak salahkan kerajaan/FAM jugak kot...ape punya mentaliti...kalau kita mmg ada player yg hndal2 xda masalah sume ni...duit pon xde masalah..siap sponsor lg dtg...

i love to see The My team that travel all over the country to find talent , now they dont choose like this already ?

^tu nk glamor je tu....

mmg ada bekas pemain myteam yg ok,tp keseluruhan konsep myteam mcm x berapa nk elok.

let the pro manage the young talent.mr shebby,if you really wanna help discover young talent,i suggest you to open your own academy.if not please stay in singapore

well whosever theory it is, it’s quite blatantly absurd. Maybe we are misunderstood. if you catch him again try to ask some names as an example to add base and substantiality to his comments for us to understand better.

I really want it to be true though. to have a competitive and commercial college league like America, japan and Korea have. that way the colleges will bear the cost and responsibility of conducting structured football academies to prepare them for pro work life like what they are doing for other industry. this eases off the pressure on SSBJ a bit and also narrows the divide between academic and sports world.

Private IPT also need to be cooperate also. But I doubt they will as sports are not high on their profit accumulating agenda. We see a lot of gov IPT in the IPT league roster also only because the gov force and provide them the fund to participate.

I try to consult a private football academy coach about A license and below are his comment and I quote :

"thats normal (stigma of FAM unofficial requirement that for A must be an ex player)..every coaching course I went..there is someone will say these courses are made to help ex pro. it is not true..im not an ex pro..."

Asked whether he has already applied for his A license :

"nope..not yet...if im not mistaken in Malaysia we have no more than 50 A or Pro Licence coach....if someone know this correct me if im wrong..might be even less than 50...i assume it is difficult..passing rate in Malaysia is one of the toughest in the region...instructor are strict and quality is a must"

For the record he is holding AFC C License , FIFA Grassroot. 'A' license now under AFC and not FAM but FAM chooses the candidate. the only best way to know what their selection criteria are is to ask them directly. For what I know, 'A' License is a very exclusive club and even ex-pro legends like Radhi Mat Din and Hashim Mustapha only have B and perennial assistant coaches. it is that hard for former pros so non ex-pros probably need to make a really strong case to fight off the pre-competition due to the standard.

Try to chat with FLampard of this forum. He is a Chinese that is aspirant to be a pro player. Maybe we will understand better.

yeah. academies are the real deal. currently save the SSBJ guys, all the players we have in the league are on-the-job-self-trained work force. football academies are the universities for football players. like doctors, lawyers, and accountant, football also needs to do full term in their 'university' before they are qualified to be pro.

Problem for football academies is, they need a lot of upfront investment with a subjective and long term result, so not many would like to delve long term in it. Politicians especially only on 4 year term so anything they do must show result in that period. Football academy investment need at least 20 years to bear fruit provided they are done with the right way consistently. State FAs also financially survive on year to year basis. They don’t have the capital that can support them on long term planning. Overseas clubs have fans who buy season tickets and stay with the team through thick and thin. We don’t.

That’s why I think it’s the government responsibility to support grass root football development either through schools or universities. In Malaysia, they control the most precious entity in football grass root development. That “time of youth” in primary and secondary school.

But record shows that local coaches, Sathianathan, K. Rajagobal and Ong Kim Swee have been more successful than all our previous foreign coaches put together. So I don’t think nationality matters in this.

What all 3 coaches have in common advantage over foreign coaches is understanding and time with the players. All of them pick, choose and groom their players since the U-19 stage. So it’s just nice by the time become national team head coach, “their players” has already matured and can be used. Foreign coaches do not have this advantage.

But I sense that our coaches don’t have good enough training and experience in grass root level. So if foreign coaches can help there and there are people supporting that cost, then why not…

Player Malaysia malas. Bukan pemain bola saja, badminton, olahraga, takraw, suma pemalas. Selalu ingat kita dh terer. Takyah training teruk2. Dah terer. Dh champion Sea Games, Sukma. Sbb tu bila saja kita bawak coach dari luar, walau seterer mana pun coach tu (Claude LeRoy, Park Joo Bong, Morten Frost), abis suma lari balik sbb tak tahan attitude player Malaysia. Yg peliknya, bila coach2 tu pegi train team lain, sampai ke World Cup (Claude Leroy, Cameroon), ade yg jadi world champion (badminton). Tgk Park Joo Bong dok Jepun, dpt hasilkan players mcm Sho Sasaki, Kenichi Tago ... smpi kita nk kalahkan Jepun masa Thomas cup pun nyaris2 je. Dok Malaysia ? Haram...

Experience first hand aku dlm soal ni. Team cycling Selangor ke Sukma 96. Coach nye org Rusia (ex coach team Sukom 98). Bila coach suruh kayuh jauh skit, teruk skit, ngadu kat manager. Manager pun satu bingai, g marah coach. Kalu dh ckp coach kita xmo dengar, xyah ade coach la. Training je sendrik.

Kalu kita tgk players world class yg kita ade skrg, attitude suma cukup bagus. Lee Chong Wei, Nicol David, Azizulhasni. Suma tu atlit2 yg mmg coach idam2kan la. Sentiasa ikut arahan, planning coach. Positif attitude. Siap buleh mintak training lebih lg dari coach. Tp malangnya players mcm tu x ramai. Patutnya kita kna buat tapisan attitude seblom buleh terima players utk masuk team. Kalu skill bagus mcm gila pun, attitude x betol, tak jadi gak. Contoh : Maradona.

This post has been edited by tenno: Dec 1 2011, 02:44 PM