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 Nokia N9 - V02 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Dec 8 2011, 11:10 AM

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Anyway to add control pad (cursor, especially "<" ">") to the keyboard.
It's so annoying without that. Wonder how come they omit this SIMPLE yet IMPORTANT thing and even with the recent updates.....

The browser seriously need to have history... sometimes accidentally close it...

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 8 2011, 12:34 PM)
Have you tried Firefox?
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Yes, have since v10, but it's more laggy and most of the time, it's easier to just use the default browser, plus, facebook application is linked to the default browser, clicking any links will open the default browser.

Hope they will resolve all these "minor" and easy-to-do issue in the next updates... I'm actually quite surprised they omit this "again" in the recent updates. Worst is the control-pad cursor thing... when you input into web page input/text box, and the text is long... there's no way to navigate, it's just so annoying everytime, and when you want to edit a particular word... horror...

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QUOTE(Tuyin @ Dec 9 2011, 03:31 AM)
Thanks!

The first option is not working to web page text input, (e.g. google search bar) and I don't really find it useful.

The second one helps to activate the cursor, but to get that it's quite troublesome... oh well... better than nothing.
They should still include the cursor on the default primary keyboard layout.

Anyway, thanks again!
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QUOTE(sklchan @ Dec 13 2011, 01:16 PM)
there's also bug within the FEED limit setting, where no matter u set it 100/200/500 the FEED screen will ALWAYS just keep the latest 100 history listing... sweat.gif

not to mention the AP/RSS/FB/Twitter will randomly STOP updating the feed HS, it mostly seem the N9 still facing the acc. login keepalive error as well as database overflow within these social feeds... shakehead.gif
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Anyone know how to change the stupid feed to show English?

And, how to hide all those stupid game feed. In my FB, I already hide them, but N9 Feed, it pulls everything, so many annoying game feed flooding, and FB app is really not nice to use, sometimes forever loading, then cannot find back the old post and seems some post didn't show up or hidden or maybe the app decide to hide it? Lucky I still have my trusty N900 with it's nice browser with full flash support although outdated.
How is the FB App on other OS like iOS or Android? If same, I wonder how they've been using it and probably missing many post and seeing many stupid game feeds.


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post Dec 14 2011, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(mrfarhatadib89 @ Dec 14 2011, 01:42 PM)
i need good msging, browser n social feed.
not much of media usage from me
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Do you need apps?
WhatsApp?

Social feed and integration is good.
Browser is good if you don't need flash, browse mobile site or are used to iOS browser. The default browser is very basic/plain, you might want to use Firefox for tab based browsing and history. For normal browsing, the stock browser is good.
For simplicity and fluidity, this N9 will deliver.

If you need something more, you might want to look at Android smartphone instead, which gives full web browsing experience, more choices of great browser and tons of apps, GPS apps like PapaGo, etc.

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QUOTE(drexar @ Dec 15 2011, 02:11 PM)
Same here.. I even tried to swipe my iPad haha
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Haha, damm, I also keep swipe trying to close app or switch app on my other device, gosh.

This swipe is really addictive and actually very useful, makes operations easier and faster. Although, it can be annoying too at times when you accidentally swipe away or swipe-down-close-oh-my-gosh-and-no-browser-history.
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QUOTE(carpathia @ Dec 15 2011, 05:24 PM)
Thank you SKLCHAN!
i am still exploring this phone...havent had much fun with a new phone/os like this in years.....

after installing nokia link - i can now convert videos to the phone but i find that the quality is really crappy after conversion.... one strange thing about the conversion is this
1 ) convert a 160mb video file - it worked without any problem
2 ) convert a 200mb/300mb  video file - it will prompt me that i dont have enough storage on the phone.....despite the system showing 5gb worth of space...hmn....problem with the converter software me thinks....

some bugs i have found so far on my n9 1.2
1 ) sometimes phone will just hang..... and i have to reset power
2 ) Power drains like crazy - even on just light web surfing and connected to fb.twit.skype.
3 ) do i need to use the official power charger from nokia ? i used the SE power charger and it takes more than 3-4hours to fully charge even when the batt is at 70%
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Careful when using certain charger (especially 3rd party), it can damage the battery and you may have very bad battery (happen to one of my phone).
If you're using car charger, make sure you start the car first BEFORE plugging in the car charger or to your phone, and make sure you remove FIRST the charger before turning off the car. This I read something about voltage issue when you start and turning off the car, which may cause damage to the battery.
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QUOTE(nebousuke @ Dec 17 2011, 09:25 AM)
at this point begging for whatsapp seemed like an act of pity, i would hope to see them fail instead, after all they require users to pay for their service and constant server down problem, they should just die out.


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Having use whatsApp, I don't see anything unique or special?
I still prefer Maemo/MeeGo social network integration ANYTIME, it's way FAR better and it's implemented since so long ago, YET, I haven't seen others implement this Nokia's INNOVATION (not sure about WP7).
With Maemo/MeeGo, the social networks accounts are TRULY integration, when you add an account, the account actually exist in your device contact/address book and it will LOGIN and set ONLINE status. You don't have to manually click LOG-IN for each or open some app and LOGIN.
Plus, all IM is integration into the messaging/conversation, no need open this app that app. This gives you more feel like true integration, everything is in the Contact/Address Book, everything is in the Messaging/Conversations.

With Android, I cannot online my status despite I already added the accounts, yes, it sync the contacts, but that's pretty much all? I have to open app to login? If I want to IM, I need to use the app? Or download some 3rd party plugins, etc.

WhatsApp is famous simply because since the beginning iPhone doesn't have this and that, but many iPhone users; but with WhatsApp introduce, everyone switch. Just like IRC era, switching to ICQ, and then MSN.



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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 19 2011, 02:04 PM)
I predict Whatsapp will get less popular for the simple reason that it is not free. Even worse it refuses to port to new platforms like Bada and Meego although its most attractive feature is cross-platform connectivity. This means it doesn't even realize what its own strength is.
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It gets popular because many people use iPhone last time and iPhone don't have this and that, so how to IM with iPhone users; that's when people start switching to WhatsApp.
WhatsApp is just another IM, just like others, nothing more, and I didn't see anything really special about it except many people are using it, which mainly due to the reasons I explain; It's just back in those days, everyone using ICQ, then slowly people starts to switch to YM or MSN or Skype; With your friends no longer using ICQ, you also switch. I used to open 3 different programs, and slowly only use MSN.

At least MSN and YM can add and see each others account. This is what they should do, instead of adding more and more "types", they should integrate and work together. So, Mr. A can have gmail, Mr. B can have MSN, Mr. C can have Yahoo, Mr. D can have Skype, all can add and see each other, Facebook, whatever.
At least Nokia have done something by integrating everything into the Address/Contact Book, don't have to bother what Yahoo, MSN, Facebook, GTalk, all in ONE place. BUT sadly this is not an Apple, so, it's not well known or recognized.



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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 19 2011, 03:51 PM)
Good point, nowadays most people have either gmail, yahoo mail, hotmail or facebook account so you can use Gtalk, YM, MSN or facebook chat to IM them and this can be done seamlessly in N9. You don't have to run a separate app to do it or ensure that your contact is also using the same app.

The thing is, many users just assume that they need Whatsapp. What for? Are you even sure your contacts will be running Whatsapp when you want to IM them? Of course you may meet someone who doesn't have gmail, yahoo mail, hotmail or facebook but I don't this person will even have a smartphone so just use sms!
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Facebook is use widely, from PC to smartphone, so Facebook Chat should be more common; I think YM also integrating with Facebook Chat? Anybody got any idea?
If all integrated, that'll be easier for users, because you don't have to worry the person is using same service or not (e.g. hotmail), as long as it's under the same group of service (shared; e.g. Yahoo/MSN).

For Maemo/MeeGo, with the integration, you don't even have to bother the person is using Skype or Facebook, when they IM you, you just have to reply, don't have to check "this message is from Skype? Facebook? etc"
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Dec 19 2011, 07:03 PM)
Relax, still a lot of people dont use Whatsapp, like me. tongue.gif  Using the 'old style' of sms is still cheapest, if prepaid, there's free sms from bonus points.  My family, friends, contacts, customers, from young to old, a lot also dont really use the chatting function on smartphone, use more on PC/laptop.
For social networking Facebook is most popular, so FB chat or Msn will do.
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WhatsApp is not SMS, it's still IM; It just like any other IM, it requires data plan; They're just confusing people who don't know and thought it's SMS, a better SMS.
If you're using data plan, then it's just like any other IM.
SMS doesn't need any data plan, even MMS doesn't need despite it's using data.

QUOTE(pikacu @ Dec 20 2011, 01:18 AM)
Yes, there are N9 white, glossy finish. Try to google around


Added on December 20, 2011, 1:24 am
Skype have very horrible battery management on N8..,,how does it perform on N9?

and regarding whatsapp, even we cannot brain what so special about it, but its a trend, penetrated worldwide, and it based on our contact number instead of username/id no/ etc2. Not to say I'm whatsapp fanboy but its one of layman's selling point...

the second app that have kinda large user base i _knew_ is Viber, which based on contact number too.
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Using contact as number is just another form of id.
Now you mention this, I wonder what happens when someone switch contact number?

It's large user base thanks to iPhone which initially don't have this and that, people have no choice to rely on something that they can use to IM each other. Before WhatsApp, I think it was ebuddy on iPhone.

QUOTE(nebousuke @ Dec 20 2011, 08:08 AM)
let's not kid ourselves, whatsapp is somehow desirable for two qualities, large user base where all your friends are using it due to ease of usage and no frills setup, second push notification, does wonders to battery. I am not saying the approach on IM(using ur contact number as id for example) is correct but they currently emerged as the victors and regular joe wouldn't just switch bck to msn or fb chat on mobile just for you and I becauae it is the path of least resistance. The only thing you can pray for is ebuddy xms to catch up which display the almost same quality but i have friends using iOS complaining that installation crashea his phone so preventing him from using it.
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In the end, it depends on the user, if there're many people using FB Chat (after all, most people have FB nowadays, and you can chat from phone or PC/laptop), it's set the new trend, which is even better, cause you can chat with people who're using the PC and/or don't use smartphone or didn't have data plan, etc. It's just because many people are using WhatsApp already, it's not easy to change unless there's the big switch happening.

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QUOTE(nebousuke @ Dec 20 2011, 12:17 PM)
The problem with FB chat is that the experience on Mobile is no good for iPhone users (I picked iPhone users because they are the ones that most "unfluid" to changes"), at least the native client, the one on imo.im is not too bad. Besides FB chat is notorious on not getting the message delivered to 3rd party client and just sent as message into your inbox.

FB chat adoption on PC/desktop is great i know but adoption on mobile is still low compared to WhatsApp which is the most important space, mobile penetration is greater than any PC/desktop of any kind combined
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That's what I meant too, majority users are iPhone users, so they're like the trend setter; If they use WhatsApp, other will have to follow. Since iPhone have many issues with other IM, it'll be troublesome, plus how majority sees WhatsApp as SMS replacement, they'll be relying on it more.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 21 2011, 08:46 AM)
Whatsapp won't die out but will decline in popularity as other free messengers gain more user share. Samsung has also developed Chat-On, a free cross platform IM app for Android, Blackberry, Bada and ios. Unless Apple also release iMessage for other platforms it is not going to be successful. It's pointless if iphone users can only IM among themselves.
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Most people will have Facebook, Yahoo, MSN, Google, Skype.

When there's these "accounts" are truly integrated (as in can add each other without creating different account under that service OR open another program), it will be more popular.
As such, MSN we can add Yahoo contacts. And from Yahoo Messenger for Android, you can see and chat with Facebook.
When all of them are truly integrated, anyone in Facebook can chat with their friends, regardless if the friend is on Facebook or MSN or Yahoo or Google or Skype, etc. Facebook can also send message to Mobile Number? (just like ICQ back then). So, when this happens, WhatsApp will become less useful because you can only send message to user with WhatsApp and user who own a smartphone, on/has data plan, etc; while the above, you can send to anyone as long they on any of those services (not device dependent and/or data plan dependent).


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QUOTE(Delta_gate @ Dec 30 2011, 07:42 AM)
Guys, I found this tool which was on my wish list;

Now we can all transfer files conveniently between our n9 and our PC easy and simple way - via WIFI.

Cheers all and happy new year.


Added on December 30, 2011, 7:45 am
I had this issue before with our digi simcard, apparently the positioning of the contact points for digi micro sim cards are not aligned so well which is why you get the issue of unable to connect to network.

But I have a solution for you, go back to digi - ask to change to a normal sim card (non-micro) then ask any mobile shops to "cut" for you into micro-sim size.

Slide it in your n9 and you wont have this problem again.

Cheers and hope it helps.
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Don't cut, just change a new one micro sim (the new type), it solved the problems. Cutting may give you problem more than micro sim. Cutting will also cause the side/edges of the sim card to have uneven and sharp edges/etc, which is another bad thing.

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QUOTE(lengzai87 @ Dec 30 2011, 10:37 AM)
I purchased directly from Nokia store in KLCC, they cut my old sim card for me, at first it works fine, until yesterday i recharge battery then got this problem, anyhow, after few mins later, it came back to normal and can receive the signal already.

Thanks for the info sharing, sifus.  flex.gif

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Suggest you to replace with new type micro-SIM card; I also same like you cut, I didn't know replace is only RM20... if know, i would've replace it and reduce all those hassle and problems.

You may face the problem again, if unlucky, it may happen when you need to make important phone calls.

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QUOTE(rathian_mhfu @ Dec 31 2011, 12:35 AM)
does it mean that the cut sim card is not adviceable? better get new micro sim?
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Why want to cut when changing a NEW micro SIM, looks better and you can put together again become normal SIM, for only RM20?
At first I thought it was expensive to change to micro SIM, so I went and cut it. It worked at first but one day SUDDENLY it just refused to work, and you will also notice after you cut the SIM, the edges may not be even or is sharp, etc. Is this worth the hassle just to save RM20?



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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jan 3 2012, 09:37 AM)
Did you cut yourself or cut at the Nokia shop? The Nokia shop cut for me using a SIM cutter and it works perfectly. The remaining portion can be used as an adapter if you need to go back to normal SIM. Why spend RM20 for micro-SIM plus RM10 for an adapter if you can save the monney?


Added on January 3, 2012, 9:41 am

If you don't use 3G you can reduce idle current by setting your mobile network to GSM instead of 3G or Dual. For 3G or Dual, 52mA is quite normal.
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Cutter provided by Nokia (during event). Even they don't recommend, the advice changing micro SIM, so they let us cut at our own risk.
After I cut, there's no problem, so does others, everything work fine, while some slowly face problem later, me included, which is suddenly fail. Why take the risk? What if it happen when you need to make important phone calls and what if you're outstation or somewhere and to replace, you need to go to the CENTRE instead of dealer.

Plus, cutting will leave the sides uneven or have sharp edges, on certain phones where you need to slide the SIM card in, you will risk damaging the sim card slot.

Sorry if this sound harsh but...
Buy the phone for RM2099, what is RM20. And if the adapter of RM10 is so expensive, then don't buy it, just use back the "original adapter", use tape to hold it together....

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Jan 3 2012, 01:22 PM)
hahaha, still discussing on micro sim card. The nokia dealer cut the sim card for me using sim cutter for free. No prob till now,more than 1 month. And no sharp edges thingy.

I suppose some providers will have problem, up to individual. But I sure would Not recommend cut it yourself with knife/scissors, lol. Go get it done properly at shop.
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Like I said, depends, if unlucky and face situation, what will you do? Regret or complaint? I'm more of the type, prevention is better than cure or if can avoid, then avoid, why wanna take the risk.

But there's always many types of people in this world, some people may never face any single problem at all, while some people may face endless problem. It really depends. If you're the type who is unlucky and always face problems, you will have a different perception and how you do things in future.
Of course, it doesn't mean if you're 100% careful, nothing will happen. E.g. doesn't mean you always maintain and take care of your car, nothing will fail. On the other hand, some people may never face any/major problem with their car and will conclude that other people are too careless or never took care of their car (even if they did).

QUOTE(Upsilon @ Jan 3 2012, 01:35 PM)
both my sister and i have our sim cut at nokia stores (different nokia stores), and everything works fine
mebbe the fact that our sim were kinda new (cos we just got our sim changed few months before getting our N9s)
mebbe your sim was getting old and needs a replace anyway regardless it is in microsim/mini-sim size.
yea, the actual chip got reduced if you compare with a smart card from 10 years ago with a new one
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Like I said, it depends; If it's working fine for you good. Personally, I still wouldn't risk it, like I said, what IF when you need to make important emergency calls and you're on holiday/festive seasons, plus outstation? It really depends o each person luck and how far one thinks. Like car battery, some people just wait until the car battery dead only replace, but not me, I prefer to know when it's weak and replace early. So far, my experience, most of the time, car battery died in the middle of the night at somewhere (e.g. 3AM after Karaoke session). While others, never had much problem their ENTIRE LIFE and their mindset, they can never understand and wonder why people want to replace early.

But anyway, even with micro-SIM, it doesn't guarantee nothing will fail. Someone here also face problem with the new micro-SIM before, he replaced it twice.

In short, when giving advice, I would give something that's in my opinion "better" and avoid; I personally and still don't think cutting is a good idea; and when doing recommendation, I personally against recommending something that is not good when there's a better and trouble free alternative.
But that doesn't mean people cannot cut it if they still want to save the RM20.

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Jan 3 2012, 03:36 PM)
It also depends on concenience, if I want to buy micro sim,must go to maxis centre, so, cutting is easier and faster. Like upsilon, my sim card is new, in fact newly bought for n9.

As for important phone calls, that's what the other hp is for. I have my dumbphone in my bag, with sim card ready. If n9 battery die cos I been watching vids/ play games intensively, out comes the other phone, switch on the fella,use.  Different people have different ...... contingency plans, depending on usage pattern and experience.
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Yes, you can cut it and change it later when convenient (e.g. Sunway Pyramid has both Maxis and DiGi Centre, and open on weekends). That's what I did, I change on weekend and I didn't know it was only RM20. (Some shop even charge Rm10~RM15 for cutting service; when you can replace for RM20)

Anyway, not a big issue. I'm just sharing experiences and point of view, as some people like I said, may not "see" and seems not able to understand why wanna pay, just cut-lah; just like those people when you tell them, change the battery before it's dead to avoid this and that, or some other similar things because some people they never in their entire life face any major issues, everything goes smoothly and easy for them, so they conclude that others will NOT face the problem and should just follow what they do.

My suggestion and point of view when giving suggestion is; between cut and replace at little cost; replace is much better option because cut you may face several issue (e.g. SIM Card damaging other phone sim card slot) and possibility/chances of the SIM no longer working. So, in my opinion, that kind of suggestion, if people face problem, who they want to blame?
I'm not talking about single person, I'm talking as a whole when we suggest to people, we shouldn't think of HOW we prepared for it (e.g. have 2nd phone).
If the person follow the advice and cut, later he/she went holiday during CNY (e.g. Genting Highlands), go out with family, play alone, later wanna make calls... SIM card decided to FAIL at that moment. Wow.
Of course, the chances of it happening is slim and not everyone is that unlucky. I'm very unlucky type, so I have to always think about many types of consequences, but even I do and prepared, it still happen in some other ways.

Well, most people may think I'm too extreme on the examples above, but hey, prevention is better than cure.

In the end, just do what you want to do, I've explain why I suggest the above. People can still disagree and think there's no need to worry about all those, just like every other scenario. Experience is still the best. Some people, they NEED to experience it to understand and feel, and most of the time, these people they tend to believe that people who never experience cannot understand and feel, they don't believe some people can feel and simulate without experiencing it.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jan 3 2012, 05:28 PM)
You can go to any telco centre like digi, celcom and maxis cutting is FREE. Some Handphone shops charge from RM10 to RM15 and if damage they wont guarantee.

Here all my micro sim cut by sim cutter that works fine on my Nokia N9 , Ipad 2 and Iphone.

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Mine also cut and works fine at first, suddenly it just fail and I didn't even know. People can't get me.....
Some other people also face same problem, at first everything working fine, then one day, suddenly it just stop working.

That's why it's "recommended" (not must) to just change it to new micro-SIM (beside, to get FREE cut at telco centre, since already there, can consider just purchase it). Overall, it's better quality and less problem, when you cut, the edges is not smooth unless you go and smoothen it, and you may risk damaging some phones sim card slot. If cut and have problem later, only can blame card/ownself action, if use replace micro-SIM and have problem, can complain to telco.

Anyway, not everyone suffers the same fate, so it's just a recommendation, not must. But if recommend cutting, and the person face problem later, that's another story.

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