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 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

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GrumpyNooby
post Apr 14 2020, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Apr 14 2020, 01:22 PM)
How long will it take to open a PRS account in PPA website?
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Have you bought before?
GrumpyNooby
post Apr 14 2020, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Apr 14 2020, 01:43 PM)
No. Just sent the documents needed to AmBank last month. Waiting for approval.
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So you want to have access to PPA website right?

https://www.ppa.my/about-ppa/ppa-faq/first-...gin-procedures/

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post Apr 14 2020, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Apr 14 2020, 04:06 PM)
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I paid 100.50, and why the balance became 104.02?
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Fund gain?
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post Apr 14 2020, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Apr 14 2020, 07:12 PM)
The fund she chose for me is AmPRS- Moderate Fund. If I want to buy AMPRS- Tactical Fund. Can I ask the fund manager to add it?
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You can buy yourself from AmInvest Online Platform.

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post Apr 14 2020, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 14 2020, 07:15 PM)
can buy new fund via PPA?
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Edited. Only top up to existing fund.
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post Apr 14 2020, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Apr 14 2020, 07:39 PM)
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You mean this one. Thanks for your advice.
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They should grant credential for online account right?

https://www.aminvest.com/eng/Pages/home.aspx
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post Apr 29 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 29 2020, 04:28 PM)
You are forgetting if you withdraw at a loss = a loss.
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Already debated about this few pages back.
Already "gained" from tax relief.

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post Apr 29 2020, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(saintmikal @ Apr 29 2020, 06:19 PM)
It will be interesting to see how many will still contribute to PRS post 2020 (I believe it is the last year for relief, barring any extensions, or corrections - in case I am mistaken).

I for one, will not as the main purpose is to gain from tax savings. The moment this no longer exists, there will be no significant incentive to even consider this medium.

Their returns (in my case) have been super pathetic and I have tried all permutations - aggressive, moderate, conservative. All super koyak - putting the money in FD even at 3% per year is better. And I have been investing since 2012.

However, I will take advantage of the RM 1,500 and then retop up another RM 1,500 for the final time this year.
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The tax relief is up to 2021 which is next year.
Similarly to SSPN tax relief, I'm seeing this tax relief will get an extension.
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post Apr 29 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 29 2020, 07:44 PM)
Can I top up 3k into PRS, and then withdraw all from account B during the same year? Am I still entitled for the tax relief of 3k?
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Isn't there answer few posts above if you did scroll up?

QUOTE(leanman @ Apr 29 2020, 11:36 AM)
I just called up PPA minutes ago, the CS agent confirmed with me that withdrawal has no effect on your contribution for tax purposes. Meaning even you withdraw RM1500, provided in this year you contribute, you can still claim the tax deduction based on your current year's contribution.

my contribution was solely to benefit on the tax deduction as some said. my current scenario;

PRS A (acct B) RM 2000

PRS B (acct B) RM 800+(new, from August 2019)

Planning to top up RM2400, to make up to RM1500 in PRS B so that i can withdraw comes August 2020
Withdraw from PRS A comes May
Top up RM600 by year ends to make up my total contribution of RM3000 for tax purposes for YA20
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 29 2020, 11:50 AM)
just so you may want to consider. does it mean 1 year from last topup or 1 year from 1st topup?

Note:
One of the prevailing terms and conditions for pre-retirement withdrawal from sub-account B is still applicable, whereby such withdrawals may only be made from a PRS fund one year after enrolment.

https://www.ppa.my/wp-content/uploads/2020/...Penalty-new.pdf
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QUOTE(leanman @ Apr 29 2020, 11:58 AM)
its one year from 1st top up. subsequent tops up no restriction
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post Apr 29 2020, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 29 2020, 08:19 PM)
I see, I have one existing PRS fund with FSM.

So I should top up to that fund right? If I top up to new fund I won’t Be able to withdraw this year.
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One of the prevailing terms and conditions for pre-retirement withdrawal from sub-account B is still applicable, whereby such withdrawals may only be made from a PRS fund one year after enrolment.

The prevailing requirement is very clearly stated.

If you're aiming for withdrawal, you should top up existing funds.

It looks like PPA is managing this per PRS provider (FM) basis.

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post Apr 29 2020, 08:49 PM

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I hate the paperworks! ranting.gif

Why can't PPA come out with an app like EPF and embrace digitalization like EPF iInvest?
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post Apr 30 2020, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(leanman @ Apr 30 2020, 09:27 AM)
What is the withdrawal procedure like? Do via PPA or need to go back to the fund provider? Any idea?
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PPA asked you to deal your PRS provider.
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post Apr 30 2020, 06:28 PM

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Easier for Principal PRS members to withdraw cash

KUALA LUMPUR: Private Retirement Scheme (PRS) members under the Principal PRS Plus and Principal Islamic PRS Plus schemes may apply to withdraw a maximum of RM1,500 from their Account B starting from Thursday, says Principal Asset Management Bhd (Principal).

Principal said that in light of the Movement Control Order, members may submit their application via email, followed by a call to its customer service to verify their application.

"If the call-back is successful, the request will be processed and payment will be made within 10 working days after receiving the necessary paperwork, ” it said.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...o-withdraw-cash

This should be the way! Salute to Principal! rclxms.gif
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post Apr 30 2020, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 30 2020, 07:57 PM)
this is only for those who buy directly from them right? if buy via fsm or eunittrust, got to go through them
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As I said PRS you bought from FSM/eUT is not using their nominee account, it is under your name and NRIC.
I believe the PRS provider should have records of your holdings even though you bought from FSM/eUT.
PRS provider demanded original handwritten copy of forms in black to be returned to them even though you bought from FSM/eUT.

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post Apr 30 2020, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 30 2020, 08:04 PM)
yup, for affin hwang when i emailed them few weeks back they ask me to go through the platform where i bought the fund - unfortunately got to send it hard copy.

maybe i shall shoot principal an email.
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If PRS fund declares distribution, FSM doesn't send tax voucher to you.
It is sent out by PRS provider.
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post May 1 2020, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ May 1 2020, 07:24 PM)
FAQ on PRS Pre-Retirement Withdrawals that are Exempted from Tax Penalty 
6. Can I request to withdraw all the amount in sub-account B from one or more PRS Providers?   Yes, members may request to withdraw all amounts from sub-account B of more than one PRS Provider. However, for withdrawals above RM1500, the balance will attract an 8% tax penalty
That mean withdraw below RM1500 is zero tax penalty right?

then can withdraw and throw back again this year …?
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Yes.
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post May 6 2020, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ May 6 2020, 02:56 PM)
wanted to redeem account B, but Affin Hwang just had dividend distribution on 15 April. how long will it take for it to enter my account?
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Affin Hwang PRS Moderate?
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post May 6 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ May 6 2020, 05:04 PM)
yup
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I believe the new units are already in.
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post May 6 2020, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ May 6 2020, 05:37 PM)
seriously? but my total amount of units at the end of 2019 based on the pdf affin hwang sent is still the same as now.
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Not sure why people in the section like to challenge?

From PPA website:

2019 PPA annual statement:
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2020 PPA Account Summary:
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The last round Affin Hwang PRS Moderate declared distribution before April 2020 is October 2019.



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post May 6 2020, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ May 6 2020, 06:03 PM)
you are right, i checked from ppa website after u showed me that. but not reflected yet in FSM where i bought my PRS. should be soon then.
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Not sure why but FSM doesn't track PRS funds.
There's no logo beside the fund name.

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Based on the last distribution, it'll take > 1 month.

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