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 LYN Power Tools Discussion, Bosch, Hitachi, Milwaukee, Metabo, Hilti

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post Dec 16 2011, 10:25 AM

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Finally got the rotary drill. boss is kind enough to give another discount brows.gif

hitachi is the cheapest for 24mm rotary drill rm450 drool.gif


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post Dec 16 2011, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 16 2011, 10:25 AM)
Finally got the rotary drill. boss is kind enough to give another discount  brows.gif

hitachi is the cheapest for 24mm rotary drill rm450  drool.gif
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Good tools. Look like you got the 26mm nearly same price with Makita 24mm.
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post Dec 16 2011, 11:12 AM

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Looks fabulous. smile.gif .

Yeah, as I said before, the price difference is smaller between Makita and Bosch, because, 24-26 mm class is much popular, compared to other size. Now, the important thing is, how easy to drill holes into wall compared to impact/percussion drill.



From this article. back in 2005;
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/industry-ne...rticleID=501400

Hitachi rotary hammer is the most powerful, and the cheapest in it's class. but, I did not find the brand around my place. smile.gif So, I think it is quite difficult to get support and service.



Since then, manufacturers are using advanced technology to make the newer models even better, in term of size, weight and power. So, IMHO, we are getting better products with more competitive pricing.

Thank you.


Added on December 16, 2011, 11:17 amOya, what drill bit's sizes you got ?
I can see Bosch S4L 10mm, but not sure about the other sizes.

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:31 AM

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BTW, do you find most SDS bits are for concrete only? hardly find wood and steel.
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post Dec 16 2011, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 16 2011, 11:31 AM)
BTW, do you find most SDS bits are for concrete only? hardly find wood and steel.
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SDS bits are created for concrete aka hammering function...

and for wood and steel you dont/can't use hammering thus u can't quite find sds type bits for those

thats why they got give those chuck then let u plug into sds and use normal bits.. just dont enable hammer else u damage the chuck
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post Dec 16 2011, 11:35 AM

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bahathir it comes as std accesories s4l 10, 12 and 16mm
i think this shop price is not bad, carries a number of brand
dewalt, skill, maktec, hitachi, makita, bosch etc. ang quite a whole range as well. but chinaman type no cc accepted.
hitachi 24mm 800w rm450, makita 2470 rm520 and 2810 is rm640 and the 226dre is a bit cheaper than rm580. kaki lang lol.
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Dec 16 2011, 11:33 AM)
SDS bits are created for concrete aka hammering function...

and for wood and steel you dont/can't use hammering thus u can't quite find sds type bits for those

thats why they got give those chuck then let u plug into sds and use normal bits.. just dont enable hammer else u damage the chuck
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Problem with the extended chuck with normal bit will wobble. I was searching for wood / steel sds bits but to my surprise I did not find one. Now got to have 2 drill loh, my old drill and the makita drill.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 16 2011, 11:44 AM)
Problem with the extended chuck with normal bit will wobble.  I was searching for wood / steel sds bits but to my surprise I did not find one. Now got to have 2 drill loh, my old drill and the makita drill.
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yeah that is true.. thats why some models come with the quick change chuck thingy that fits/replaces the sds chuck

but it cost alot more for those models.. la
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post Dec 16 2011, 11:50 AM

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hmm, wouldnt hammer/normal drill is more suitable for wood and metal? they are lighter as well. the bosch 226 dfr cost around 700 which comes with quick chuck one.

some normal drill i think is as powerful as rotary drill around 700w.
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SDS shank
SDS-plus drill bit shank
The SDS shank has the advantage of a simple spring-loaded chuck, so that bits can be chucked with a simple and quick hand action. Further, the shank and chuck are uniquely suited to hammer drilling in stone and concrete. The drill bit is not held solidly in the chuck, but can slide back and forth like a piston. The hammer of the drill acts to accelerate only the drill bit itself, and not the large mass of the chuck, which makes hammer drilling with an SDS shank drill bit much more productive than with other types of shank. So, SDS shanks are most often seen on masonry drills, for which hammer drilling action is most helpful.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit_shank
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:57 PM

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Eng_tat.. yup the pricing is reasonable. If I am mistaken, I saw MYR499 for HR2470 at Living Depot in Bangi smile.gif, but not sure whether it got Free 5 pieces masonry bits.

For wood, there are SDS+ Auger bit, to drill big hole into wood.

But, I really like to have this adapater.. SDS+ -> 6.5mm hex shank
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http://www.threewinindustry.com/zpzsdet.asp?SelectID=412

With this I can use my Makita TD0101F impact driver's drill/screw bits. smile.gif

The other option is to have the sleeve like this.
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http://www.dewalt.com/tool-parts/drilling-...shank-sets.aspx

If anyone here found these adaptors, please post here. smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2011, 02:26 PM

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rm499 at living depot is offer price, i went to johor branch, they are selling rm549. i really felt that the staff are not friendly and arrogant b!@#$

btw anyone here uses laser leveller? skil brand cheapest is rm320 but i am not sure about the model.
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I am jusing typical small sized 'spirit-leve'/ 'timbang air' for leveling purpose, such as fixing pictures, curtain rails and fixing bathroom accessories. If you are planning to leveling large object or large area, laser leveler should be ease your job. I also found cheap China made laser leveler @MYR50 , but not sure, how good it is. smile.gif Ask your hardware store the cheap leveler and how to use it.

BTW, since you don't have 6mm masonry drill bit, get Bosch X5L 6mm, for typical wall anchoring with red plastic wall plug. It is a bit expensive (MYR 29) , but, it is durable, long life and worth every cent you paid. My Makita branded 6mm, which I got free with HR2810, also nice and performs as good as the X5L, and I keep it as a spare.


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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 16 2011, 02:26 PM)
btw anyone here uses laser leveller? skil brand cheapest is rm320 but i am not sure about the model.
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there are some, china made levelers for like < 100MYR

you can try to find those, not sure how level it can be la..
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bahathir what is the from s4l model and x5l? i got the s4l 6mm for rm9. another note is that they is rm4 china bit, he say can last for 10 holes while s4l is like 30-50 holes. is that true ar? maybe i go hunt for x5l next round

jinxxx, i saw one leveller rm160 and is plus tripod is rm205. those leveler comes with vertical and horizontal laser one

the skil if not mistaken is model 0515 and comes with tripod ready.

there is how many mm of wall plugs? tytyty
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Dec 16 2011, 07:04 PM)
jinxxx, i saw one leveller rm160 and is plus tripod is rm205. those leveler comes with vertical and horizontal laser one

the skil if not mistaken is model 0515 and comes with tripod ready.

there is how many mm of wall plugs? tytyty
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wall plug standard size 6mm... large 8mm and 10mm...

aircond wall plug is 12mm or 10mm not too sure

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:02 PM

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X5L drill bits are using full carbide tip ,which make them very hard and can drill through rebar steel in concrete. It also make them 5x long lasting than normal masonry drill bits. I am using both Makita and Bosch X5L 6mm drill bits and, both are still in very good condition.
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Is rotary hammer can use to drill hole on tile? Will cause tile crack?
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post Dec 17 2011, 08:14 AM

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can drill tiles using normal drill mode. not rotary drilling mode biggrin.gif

QUOTE(HappyGuy @ Dec 17 2011, 01:35 AM)
Is rotary hammer can use to drill hole on tile? Will cause tile crack?
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post Dec 19 2011, 01:37 PM

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For 'soft' ceramic tiles, which is the typical tiles for typical bathroom, you can use SDS+ masonry bit with DRILL ONLY mode. Use masking tape to prevent dill bit from wondering or slipping. Start slowly and push a bit.

For porcelain or HARD ceramic tiles, get a DIAMOND core dill bits. Most of these drill bits are not SDS+, so, use normal impact driver or use chuck adapter. Refer to our discussions on page 2 of this thread.

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