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ozak
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Nov 21 2011, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(@jiman @ Nov 21 2011, 07:05 AM) I really want to get more details on solar panel supplier the one at homedec exb was only for water heater and the http://seda.gov.my/ website is kinda pain to understand :S Water heater don't use solar panel. It use solar heater. Here the local solar panel supplier -> http://www.solarpower-mart.com/home , http://www.solarvoltaic.com/ , http://sol-malaysia.com/
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@jiman
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Nov 21 2011, 08:55 AM
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Getting Started

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Im trying to go green.. maybe my first floor use solar panel to power up the light and I wish i can power up the swimming pool motor using solar as well
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ozak
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Nov 21 2011, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(@jiman @ Nov 21 2011, 08:55 AM) Im trying to go green.. maybe my first floor use solar panel to power up the light and I wish i can power up the swimming pool motor using solar as well  As you know go green is not cheap. Unless you don't mind. Consult this supplier -> http://www.solarpower-mart.com/home for more detail and see what is the cost. The BIPV is not for your home powerup. It is like mini IPP that use your home space to generate power that sell to TNB. And your home still using TNB power like normal.
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venven81
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Nov 21 2011, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 21 2011, 09:08 AM) As you know go green is not cheap. Unless you don't mind. Consult this supplier -> http://www.solarpower-mart.com/home for more detail and see what is the cost. The BIPV is not for your home powerup. It is like mini IPP that use your home space to generate power that sell to TNB. And your home still using TNB power like normal. you could use PV to generate electricity for your own use. the excess power generated could be sold to tnb when you have your PV system grid-connected. not necessary for your PV to generate and sell electricity to tnb only. that's the whole point of installing solar PV system in the first place; for your own consumption rather than relying 100% on power grid. This post has been edited by venven81: Nov 21 2011, 04:52 PM
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ozak
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Nov 21 2011, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 04:49 PM) you could use PV to generate electricity for your own use. the excess power generated could be sold to tnb when you have your PV system grid-connected. not necessary for your PV to generate and sell electricity to tnb only. that's the whole point of installing solar PV system in the first place; for your own consumption rather than relying 100% on power grid. Depend on you have enough budget to include the tnb side. If your usage per day is 5kw, would you get another 2kw or 5kw for tnb? Note, 1kw probaly cost you rm13k - rm15k. Bipv is about business selling power to tnb. Just like ipp. The selling price is higher than your buying price from tnb.
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venven81
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Nov 21 2011, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 21 2011, 05:41 PM) Depend on you have enough budget to include the tnb side. If your usage per day is 5kw, would you get another 2kw or 5kw for tnb? Note, 1kw probaly cost you rm13k - rm15k. Bipv is about business selling power to tnb. Just like ipp. The selling price is higher than your buying price from tnb. if you have got a huge area that is sufficient to generate substantial electricity and sell it to tnb for profit, then yes it's all about the selling business. the cost of 1kwp system like you mentioned will set you even RM15k-RM20k depending on the quality of the total solution. all this while there's no FiT being introduced locally and most likely it will only be implemented in 2012 (earlier they mentioned in Dec 2011 but there could be delay). so generally bipv wasn't here for users to make money out of it but rather for own consumption (for those with conscious mind on the environment) at a rather high capex. having said that, commercial/industrial users could also look into how this could help them reduce their electricity bills looking at the escalating cost and it will keep on increasing by at least 3.5% per annum (shared by CIO of TNB during a private discussion). i'll be at the launching of SEDA office at putrajaya tomorrow and hopefully could get to find out more info on the national green initiative. This post has been edited by venven81: Nov 21 2011, 06:00 PM
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TSJinXXX
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Nov 21 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 05:56 PM) i'll be at the launching of SEDA office at putrajaya tomorrow and hopefully could get to find out more info on the national green initiative. please share with us ya.. with panasonic saying they will invest in solar plant here... im hoping the price will drop another 20% and slowly after that until it become really viable..
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KVReninem
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Nov 21 2011, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 08:56 PM) if you have got a huge area that is sufficient to generate substantial electricity and sell it to tnb for profit, then yes it's all about the selling business. the cost of 1kwp system like you mentioned will set you even RM15k-RM20k depending on the quality of the total solution. all this while there's no FiT being introduced locally and most likely it will only be implemented in 2012 (earlier they mentioned in Dec 2011 but there could be delay). so generally bipv wasn't here for users to make money out of it but rather for own consumption (for those with conscious mind on the environment) at a rather high capex. having said that, commercial/industrial users could also look into how this could help them reduce their electricity bills looking at the escalating cost and it will keep on increasing by at least 3.5% per annum (shared by CIO of TNB during a private discussion). i'll be at the launching of SEDA office at putrajaya tomorrow and hopefully could get to find out more info on the national green initiative.  I do agree with your POV. Yes; at the moment, high capEX & poor govt leading to change Malaysia energy sector is a problem. Malaysia do really need to be much more straight forward in term of managing it & down to the bottom line consumer.
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weikee
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Nov 21 2011, 09:32 PM
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Take example of Diesel, it take them forever to implement Euro 4 diesel, E4 is much more friendly and better, this allow more diesel car come in. More economical and fuel efficient. Now delay another 2 years. Maybe 20 years until our lung get black.
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ozak
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Nov 21 2011, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 21 2011, 05:56 PM) if you have got a huge area that is sufficient to generate substantial electricity and sell it to tnb for profit, then yes it's all about the selling business. the cost of 1kwp system like you mentioned will set you even RM15k-RM20k depending on the quality of the total solution. all this while there's no FiT being introduced locally and most likely it will only be implemented in 2012 (earlier they mentioned in Dec 2011 but there could be delay). so generally bipv wasn't here for users to make money out of it but rather for own consumption (for those with conscious mind on the environment) at a rather high capex. having said that, commercial/industrial users could also look into how this could help them reduce their electricity bills looking at the escalating cost and it will keep on increasing by at least 3.5% per annum (shared by CIO of TNB during a private discussion). i'll be at the launching of SEDA office at putrajaya tomorrow and hopefully could get to find out more info on the national green initiative.  It is not the space but the budget. Average terrace house roof can be over 4kw. The cost pv here have been drop. In 2010, the price drop to rm19k here. With the high cost investment, I doubt everyone will have a environment conscious. A 4kw system can cost you rm60k. I even can't effort it. Not to say go green. Unless gov come out some special loan, subsidy etc. Can get us some answer regarding the initial cost, how we can effort, what rate and ada contract or not.
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weikee
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Nov 21 2011, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 21 2011, 11:12 PM) It is not the space but the budget. Average terrace house roof can be over 4kw. The cost pv here have been drop. In 2010, the price drop to rm19k here. With the high cost investment, I doubt everyone will have a environment conscious. A 4kw system can cost you rm60k. I even can't effort it. Not to say go green. Unless gov come out some special loan, subsidy etc. Can get us some answer regarding the initial cost, how we can effort, what rate and ada contract or not.  You need to consider supporting the roof, and other factor too. Additional money. Average terrace may not fit in 4KW, it need to have proper wide space. If like my house stupid sime design with odd shape roof it will have poor coverage of sun ray.
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ozak
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Nov 21 2011, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 21 2011, 11:27 PM) You need to consider supporting the roof, and other factor too. Additional money. Average terrace may not fit in 4KW, it need to have proper wide space. If like my house stupid sime design with odd shape roof it will have poor coverage of sun ray. I have done some calculation on my roof and yes it can fit over 4kw. The best is your roof need to face either south or north. The pv can get max sun coverage. It is not easy to get your pv fix on top of your roof. Most probaly will only allow you to choose a few authorize contractor to do and get the package.
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weikee
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Nov 22 2011, 12:07 AM
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My roof got like 3 "A" shape, that make it only usable either in morning or afternoon. for roof support, it need some specialist to do it. When I ask my contractor to redesign my house roof, he don't want to redesign my roof, cause he say my roof too many "A", he advice me to get a proper roof specialist for design. And that cost me another sum  Wonder if the installation cost including the authorized roof contractor?
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ozak
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Nov 22 2011, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 22 2011, 12:07 AM) My roof got like 3 "A" shape, that make it only usable either in morning or afternoon. for roof support, it need some specialist to do it. When I ask my contractor to redesign my house roof, he don't want to redesign my roof, cause he say my roof too many "A", he advice me to get a proper roof specialist for design. And that cost me another sum  Wonder if the installation cost including the authorized roof contractor? What I read in the bipv project here that now running, there is some tnb approval contractor or pv company to do. Not any 1 contractor. They are specialist for this bipv project. For your difficulty roof, hope they have some solution. This post has been edited by ozak: Nov 23 2011, 08:28 AM
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ozak
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Nov 23 2011, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE Hence, the FiT in Malaysia is not financed from tax revenue, instead, it will be financed by a Renewable Energy Fund which is contributed by the electricity consumers. The Government has decided electricity consumers will contribute 1% of the total electricity tariff bills issued by Tenaga Nasional Berhad to the RE Fund. Nonetheless, 75 % of the TNB’s customers who consume less than 300 kWh per month will be exempted from contributing to this Fund and the collection of 1% will be effective from 1st December 2011 onwards. I am in full support of this strategy because apart from getting the public/industries to participate and contribute to green energy development, it also promotes all parties to use energy efficiently to reduce their electricity consumption because heavy consumers of electricity would contribute more to the RE Fund. This is the speech from Y. B. DATO SRI PETER CHIN FAHKUI MINISTER OF ENERGY, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND WATER AT THE OFFICIAL LAUNCHING OF SEDA MALAYSIA’S OFFICE So are we going to pay more if using more than 300kwh? Or 1% taken from the 300kwh bill which TNB is contribute not us? At the moment we are paying if using 300kwh is 200kwh = 43.6 100kwh = 33.4 Total = RM77
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weikee
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Nov 23 2011, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 22 2011, 12:30 AM) What I read in the bipv project here that now running, there is some tnb approval contractor or pv company to do. Not any 1 contractor. They are specialist for this bipv project. For your difficulty roof, hope they have some solution. I don't have 50k to spare now. I can wait longer. Added on November 23, 2011, 10:43 amQUOTE(ozak @ Nov 23 2011, 08:30 AM) This is the speech from Y. B. DATO SRI PETER CHIN FAHKUI MINISTER OF ENERGY, GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND WATER AT THE OFFICIAL LAUNCHING OF SEDA MALAYSIA’S OFFICE So are we going to pay more if using more than 300kwh? Or 1% taken from the 300kwh bill which TNB is contribute not us? At the moment we are paying if using 300kwh is 200kwh = 43.6 100kwh = 33.4 Total = RM77 300Kwh only? that is pretty low right? How many A/C hours you run per day? and Water heater? Still waiting for my running bill when i move in next month. This post has been edited by weikee: Nov 23 2011, 10:43 AM
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ozak
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Nov 23 2011, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 23 2011, 10:42 AM) 300Kwh only? that is pretty low right? How many A/C hours you run per day? and Water heater? Still waiting for my running bill when i move in next month. I m around this 300kw range or lower. Each day about 9kw. With water heater almost everyday. The over 300KWh charge addtional 1% will be effective on 1st coming dec. Already in news. So better save.
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weikee
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Nov 23 2011, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 23 2011, 10:52 AM) I m around this 300kw range or lower. Each day about 9kw. With water heater almost everyday. The over 300KWh charge addtional 1% will be effective on 1st coming dec. Already in news. So better save. Change the core lah.. Vote
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ozak
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Nov 23 2011, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 23 2011, 11:03 AM) Change the core lah.. Vote  Already done so last election. Because of this, I get free water from 2008 till now.
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weikee
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Nov 23 2011, 11:12 AM
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Me too
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