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venven81
post Nov 23 2011, 11:21 AM

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with this implementation, i would say a lot of us will be paying the 1% levy (so-called FiT contribution fund) so that those who invested in RE system will be able to get rebate from FiT (whether it's biomass, biogas, solar). below is part of the extract from national renewable energy policy and action plan that i gathered from the launch yesterday:

"the regulatory framework would be the primary vehicle for the introduction of the feed-in-tariff (FiT) mechanism which will act as a catalyst for the progressive entry of RE power generation businesses and other related aspects of RE development.

it is envisaged that with the reduced environmental pollution coming from increased RE usage, the society at large benefits. this would mean that society must play its part by contributing towards RE development through a fund to be used to pay for the RE power. payment of this contribution, which can be embedded into the electricity tariff structure, must be made to a specific RE Fund and not become part of the receipts by government (as such receipts must be paid into the Consolidated Fund)."

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post Nov 23 2011, 11:38 AM

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post Nov 23 2011, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(venven81 @ Nov 23 2011, 02:21 PM)
with this implementation, i would say a lot of us will be paying the 1% levy (so-called FiT contribution fund) so that those who invested in RE system will be able to get rebate from FiT (whether it's biomass, biogas, solar). below is part of the extract from national renewable energy policy and action plan that i gathered from the launch yesterday:

"the regulatory framework would be the primary vehicle for the introduction of the feed-in-tariff (FiT) mechanism which will act as a catalyst for the progressive entry of RE power generation businesses and other related aspects of RE development.

it is envisaged that with the reduced environmental pollution coming from increased RE usage, the society at large benefits. this would mean that society must play its part by contributing towards RE development through a fund to be used to pay for the RE power. payment of this contribution, which can be embedded into the electricity tariff structure, must be made to a specific RE Fund and not become part of the receipts by government (as such receipts must be paid into the Consolidated Fund)."
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if they serious about benefits; govt should published out all the consolidation fund channeld to RE & what & where the money gone to. Rather saying consolidate without real proven accountability.

The policy is right; but the implementation; like any Malaysian will know, full of hanky panky shit.

Back to topic; atm; capEX for BIPV is still high & govt same as architecture industry isnt emphasized hard enough to promote sustainable/off grid living. We know its a big hoo har but when you asked them the details; very few are good in the details. whistling.gif
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post Nov 23 2011, 07:18 PM

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But how you guys complain or don't like also no choice. Once your bill exceed 300kwh, they take 1% from your wallet.

Easy money and songlap.

I better control my usage.
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post Nov 23 2011, 08:45 PM

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post Nov 24 2011, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 23 2011, 10:18 PM)
But how you guys complain or don't like also no choice. Once your bill exceed 300kwh, they take 1% from your wallet.

Easy money and songlap.

I better control my usage.
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the most effi is change to LED lighting. that`s the new trend & seriously fast going. Forget about those compact fluorescent light, giant like china are changing phase.

For other cases; saving energy appliances are the key to more lower energy consumption. Other than that; good architecture design play a role too. icon_rolleyes.gif

For R.Energy Policy- Malaysia have alot room to clean n clear & make it more sustainable
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post Nov 24 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Nov 24 2011, 08:08 PM)
the most effi is change to LED lighting. that`s the new trend & seriously fast going. Forget about those compact fluorescent light, giant like china are changing phase.

For other cases; saving energy appliances are the key to more lower energy consumption. Other than that; good architecture design play a role too. icon_rolleyes.gif

For R.Energy Policy- Malaysia have alot room to clean n clear & make it more sustainable
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Led light not effective that much. And it is bottom at the power hunger list.

The most effective power saving is aircon, fridge, heater, cooker (electric) and any heating element. Try to find a way to save on this few item and you will be able to see your bill reduce a lot.

I once change a normal 1hp aircon to 1.5hp inveter aircon and able to save average 40% of my bill. Even the aircon hp is higher but still save better than 1hp.

I use a server to run 24hr rather pc. The server using 56w while pc anytime can up till 200w.
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post Nov 25 2011, 09:54 AM

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Sometime high HP cool room faster and work less. But not too big is not good.

Just like driving big CC car, going outstation fuel consumption is good. Town ride is bad because stop and go. Too big the cc, economical of scale will not reach.
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post Nov 25 2011, 12:41 PM

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im currently working on bringing in energy saving devices for air-cond, refrigerator, lighting and motors. claimed to have saving up to 40%. will test the market and get actual feedback before i could comment further.
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post Dec 1 2011, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 25 2011, 01:57 AM)
Led light not effective that much. And it is bottom at the power hunger list.

The most effective power saving is aircon, fridge, heater, cooker (electric) and any heating element. Try to find a way to save on this few item and you will be able to see your bill reduce a lot.

I once change a normal 1hp aircon to 1.5hp inveter aircon and able to save average 40% of my bill. Even the aircon hp is higher but still save better than 1hp.

I use a server to run 24hr rather pc. The server using 56w while pc anytime can up till 200w.
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My case im arguing about is the general unnecessary heat generation especially in during nights & indoor lighting.
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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 1 2011, 07:58 PM)
My case im arguing about is the general unnecessary heat generation especially in during nights & indoor lighting.
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yeah like some aquarium lighting system move to LED.. power cut by 2/3 and heat cut down "alot" smile.gif

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post Dec 1 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 1 2011, 07:58 PM)
My case im arguing about is the general unnecessary heat generation especially in during nights & indoor lighting.
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Just switch OFF it loh if not in use. smile.gif

I still using CFL for all my home lighting. Simply because lux/watt and $$/watt is still better than LED. Unless LED price further down and longlife proven.

To save more, those area (backyard) which seldom use, I change to solar panel motion activate LED light. While car porch, only ON the light when I want to go to sleep. Just using solar LED light for the rest of the time. That won't increase the bill.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 1 2011, 09:14 PM)
To save more, those area (backyard) which seldom use, I change to solar panel motion activate LED light. While car porch, only ON the light when I want to go to sleep. Just using solar LED light for the rest of the time. That won't increase the bill.
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just curious those solar panel motion activated led lights, the batt can manually change one ??

how the performance so far ?
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Dec 1 2011, 09:15 PM)
just curious those solar panel motion activated led lights, the batt can manually change one ??

how the performance so far ?
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It using 3pcs AA rechargeable battery. Easy change. smile.gif

So far so good. Those stupid cat keep ON/OFF the light at night. mad.gif
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Fellow forumers, heard anything about personal income tax on the FiT income?
Pretty big hit if an individual is taxed AND the donkey CAPEX cannot be depreciated.

Copied and pasted from SEDA's website (http://seda.gov.my)
27. Is income from feed-in tariffs considered taxable income?
Yes, it is taxable income and any exemptions would require a policy decision from the Government. KeTTHA will monitor the progress of renewable energy growth in the country and conduct necessary analyses before putting forth any policy recommendations on this matter.
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 1 2011, 09:30 PM)
Fellow forumers, heard anything about personal income tax on the FiT income?
Pretty big hit if an individual is taxed AND the donkey CAPEX cannot be depreciated.

Copied and pasted from SEDA's website (http://seda.gov.my)
27. Is income from feed-in tariffs considered taxable income?
Yes, it is taxable income and any exemptions would require a policy decision from the Government. KeTTHA will monitor the progress of renewable energy growth in the country and conduct necessary analyses before putting forth any policy recommendations on this matter.
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Yes, already read. So just wait and see how the FIT going. No rush.

If the calculation not profitable or long ROI, forget it. Or just go for OFF grid.
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post Dec 7 2011, 03:31 PM

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for those who are into Green Technology and Renewable Energy per se, kindly visit and join the group in facebook for more discussions on RE.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 1 2011, 09:36 PM)
Yes, already read. So just wait and see how the FIT going. No rush.

If the calculation not profitable or long ROI, forget it. Or just go for OFF grid.
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CAGR for the locked-in 21 years contract was looking real good (above 8%pa with cleaning cost and inverter replacement every 10 years) UNTIL i factored in the personal income tax. After factoring in the income tax of 26% yearly, the CAGR falls to between 4%+ to 6%+ depending on which vendors' system implemented.

Funny lor - individuals going solar cant write-off their Capital Exp / depreciate AND has to pay income tax on FiT income, double whammy.
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post Dec 7 2011, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 7 2011, 03:55 PM)
CAGR for the locked-in 21 years contract was looking real good (above 8%pa with cleaning cost and inverter replacement every 10 years) UNTIL i factored in the personal income tax. After factoring in the income tax of 26% yearly, the CAGR falls to between 4%+ to 6%+ depending on which vendors' system implemented.

Funny lor - individuals going solar cant write-off their Capital Exp / depreciate AND has to pay income tax on FiT income, double whammy.
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You think you can so easy earn gov money huh. tongue.gif

In others country, they have tax rebate, credit rebate etc. We here got to tax you somemore.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 7 2011, 05:05 PM)
You think you can so easy earn gov money huh.  tongue.gif

In others country, they have tax rebate, credit rebate etc. We here got to tax you somemore.
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This kinda attitude & mentality shows whether the Gov really wants to promote renewable energy OR nuclear... simple dewan also can collapse, imagine a nuclear power plant... i worry for our future generations (and i'm not talking about financials of the country only shocking.gif ).

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