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PJusa
post Dec 7 2011, 11:35 PM

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the tax is a real downer. i had my plans all ready to replace the entire roof, secured the loan and then only noticed that i'll have to pay tax on the income.
that slashed my revenue by 23%. now ideal ROI is only around 6% at best, most likely less due to possible shading and other issues. and i still have to minus insurance on the panels, maintenance and stash away for possible replacement needs. so even before (internal) write off of the panel investment ROI goes way down and can barely reach 5% - 4% looks more like a real life figure. loan is more expensive than that so I guess I'll cancel my plans.

looks like if you want to benefit financially in any way from FiT you will need to have a company run the solar power generation. very sad - was hoping that doing something green is finally financially benefitial too but noooo sad.gif
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Dec 7 2011, 11:35 PM)
the tax is a real downer. i had my plans all ready to replace the entire roof, secured the loan and then only noticed that i'll have to pay tax on the income.
that slashed my revenue by 23%. now ideal ROI is only around 6% at best, most likely less due to possible shading and other issues. and i still have to minus insurance on the panels, maintenance and stash away for possible replacement needs. so even before (internal) write off of the panel investment ROI goes way down and can barely reach 5% - 4% looks more like a real life figure. loan is more expensive than that so I guess I'll cancel my plans.

looks like if you want to benefit financially in any way from FiT you will need to have a company run the solar power generation. very sad - was hoping that doing something green is finally financially benefitial too but noooo sad.gif
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All I can say paper look good. Practical this country is still long way to go.
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post Dec 8 2011, 12:52 AM

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You got to shift your house to technology park or cyberjaya. Or stay at klcc.

Again you only have 5 yrs free tax.
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 8 2011, 12:52 AM)
You got to shift your house to technology park or cyberjaya. Or stay at klcc.

Again you only have 5 yrs free tax.
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Or like I suggest, make your current house MSC Status smile.gif
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Dec 7 2011, 11:35 PM)
the tax is a real downer. i had my plans all ready to replace the entire roof, secured the loan and then only noticed that i'll have to pay tax on the income.
that slashed my revenue by 23%. now ideal ROI is only around 6% at best, most likely less due to possible shading and other issues. and i still have to minus insurance on the panels, maintenance and stash away for possible replacement needs. so even before (internal) write off of the panel investment ROI goes way down and can barely reach 5% - 4% looks more like a real life figure. loan is more expensive than that so I guess I'll cancel my plans.

looks like if you want to benefit financially in any way from FiT you will need to have a company run the solar power generation. very sad - was hoping that doing something green is finally financially benefitial too but noooo sad.gif
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Same here bro. I was tracking M'sia's solar initiative since Project Suria days... saved up cash to do it too.. sigh..
"Spend less, waste less, generate more & move into RE" - how lar when Gov whacks ppl like us.
My apologies for b****ing.
PJusa
post Dec 8 2011, 11:09 AM

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it's really sad because they *pretend* to be after the small solar producers and there is so much talk. and yet in the end it all falls to pieces. i have been saving and preparing just like you wongmunkeong - now i will spend some of the money to reduce my consumption only. they really dont want us to produce greener power but instead keep subsidising the old ways so we are all financially trapped. it's very sad - i even scouted for a cheaper panel provider and got prices bartered down and still it's not profitable.

in case anyone is interested this is the rough costing:

Total Array Rated Power (kWp) 23 kWp
Total Installation Cost RM 350,000.00
Estimated Yield (kWh/yr) 25,250.0
Feed‐in Tariff Rate (RM/kWh)* 1.71
Total Income Generated from FiT RM 43,177.50 /year

./. tax (marginal rate 23%)

leftover: 33,246,68

./. insurance on panel, maintenance (approx. 2,000)
./. sinking fund with average lifespan of 25 yrs (approx. 14,000)

leftover: 17,250 RM roughly if no shading issues and long downtimes occur.

ROI: at best 4,9%

now the bummer: to be safe the optimistic power yield should be plugged in only with 80% i.e. you need to cut another 8,635.50

which means a good estimate on profit is just 8,614.50 on a 350,000.00 investment. that is just 2,46%. I can get more from a FD and inflation is actually higher.

and mind you this would have been a larger installation so economies of scale kick in nicely. smaller installation will barely break even unless you personall taxrate is much lower. this is the end of the solar road for me untill prices for panels sink much much more.
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post Dec 8 2011, 11:26 AM

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According to seda news, many parties rush for this application. How true is it? Do they really do the calculation?


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Applicants rush for special solar PV tariff
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PETALING JAYA, DECEMBER 2 (The Star) -- Within the first 24 hours of opening, applications for the special tariff allocation for almost all the capacity of solar photovoltaic (PV) renewable energy projects had been applied for.

According to Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia (Seda), applications for 140.6MW in cumulative installed capacity for solar energy had been received.

The quota for producing solar PV for non-individual applicants (including corporations) has been taken up for the next three years. It should be noted that these applications will be processed within 14 days by Seda and if there are unsuccessful applicants, their allocation may be up for grabs again. For individual applicants, another 11.41MW was available as of yesterday afternoon.

To recall, under the Renewable Energy Act 2011, Tenaga Nasional Bhd is obliged to buy renewable power produced by licensed players at special rates. The rates are known as the ā€œfeed-in-tariffā€ (FiT), and refer to the idea of producers selling their energy to the power grid.

In total, Seda received 168 applications wanting to secure the FiT through various forms of renewable technology, ranging from solar to biomass and biogas to mini-hydro. This was as at 1.45 pm yesterday.

Of the applications, 146 or 87% were from parties wanting to produce and sell solar power. There were six applications for biomass and eight each for biogas and mini-hydro.

The FiT will be awarded on a first-come, first-served basis, which explained the rush by renewable energy players in their applications.

When contacted, Energy, Green Technology and Water Minister Datuk Seri Peter Chin said as expected there was so much interest in solar PV that the quota was exhausted soon after with only a small portion left pertaining to small household connections.

ā€œAs regards to other renewable energy sources such as biomass, biogas and mini hydro, the response or demand has been rather quiet and parties who are interested should look into these areas and submit their bids online.

ā€œOverall, the computer system seems to hold up quite well and there should not be any further problem. In any case, I visited Seda and was briefed by the chief executive officer who had been instructed to get as much feedback as possible and to fine-tune the system,ā€ Chin said.
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post Dec 8 2011, 11:47 AM

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post Dec 8 2011, 12:04 PM

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i believe the key sentence is this:

"The quota for producing solar PV for non-individual applicants (including corporations) has been taken up"

if under company you can write the investment off. individual cannot. that will increase the profit margin a bit.

other than that i have no idea. maybe if you have a much larger system to set the price will be even better? but for companies FiT is lowe than for individual. my FiT was so high because i planned to swap the roof for panels (i.e. use as building material). if not, income is only 1.5 RM/kWh so ROI is even worse.
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post Dec 13 2011, 10:40 AM

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Really good info here. Real bummer on the tax rates. Just curious, who will be the suppliers for the panels and systems? Are these companies really capable?
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post Dec 13 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(seetoh @ Dec 13 2011, 10:40 AM)
Really good info here. Real bummer on the tax rates. Just curious, who will be the suppliers for the panels and systems? Are these companies really capable?
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There is already fews supplier or contractor doing this solar panel or RE (renewable energy) in here for few yrs. Should be capable.

There either register or have license in this gov or SEDA. If you get approved installation from SEDA, you will recommend or must pickup from their contractor list.
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post Dec 13 2011, 01:46 PM

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how about off-grid (own consumption)? anybody doing it? how much the costing for 1 double storey house? or maybe 1 medium size room (e.g powering 1 fan,1 light,1 desktop pc,etc)
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QUOTE(birain @ Dec 13 2011, 01:46 PM)
how about off-grid (own consumption)? anybody doing it? how much the costing for 1 double storey house? or maybe 1 medium size room (e.g powering 1 fan,1 light,1 desktop pc,etc)
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The money you put in will not have any return with only off-grid. And maintenance is high too because you need battery. Unless you using it only in sunny day.
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post Dec 13 2011, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(birain @ Dec 13 2011, 01:46 PM)
how about off-grid (own consumption)? anybody doing it? how much the costing for 1 double storey house? or maybe 1 medium size room (e.g powering 1 fan,1 light,1 desktop pc,etc)
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Forget it to power for the whole house. That can cost you a bomb. Check your montly usage Kwh at your bill. But if you have $$ to spend, why not. Just don't hope for a return.

I m planning some small solar project for my home at the moment. Off-grid. It is my interest and not hope for a return. Still checking the panel cost and see how cheap can bring in.
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post Dec 16 2011, 04:25 PM

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ozak, try look into australia; currently they selling off their stock pile cos of solar rebate freeze & cancellation due to flip flop govt policy.


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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 16 2011, 04:25 PM)
ozak, try look into australia; currently they selling off their stock pile cos of solar rebate freeze & cancellation due to flip flop govt policy.
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Thanks. My friend did told me about Aus solar FIT tariff policy now when I visit there last few months. But if include shipping cost , will it cheaper than here?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 16 2011, 08:08 PM)
Thanks. My friend did told me about Aus solar FIT tariff policy now when I visit there last few months. But if include shipping cost , will it cheaper than here?
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im nt sure but you can try check up forwarding. For Malaysia; there is alot of un-answered in implementing it. Do it totally include tax rebate; or free tax & where consumer can get it so it can include into the CApex of the design..

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 16 2011, 05:16 PM)
im nt sure but you can try check up forwarding. For Malaysia; there is alot of un-answered in implementing it. Do it totally include tax rebate; or free tax & where consumer can get it so it can include into the CApex of the design..
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Don't rush. Just wait and see. The implementing fit won't run away or close next year. When people not respond much, many good thing will throw in the program.

Some US solar site have some year end holiday sales. This is good chance to get some of this solar panel.
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for those who are into Green Technology and Renewable Energy per se, kindly visit and join the group in facebook for more discussions on RE. More exciting things are coming your way. just be patient and soon there will be more feasible ways to adopt clean energy for your very own consumption smile.gif

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IMHO FiT in tariff is one thing, are there any competent and certified installers.

Take a look this article, simple setup yet the systems don't work. Botched projects will cause confidence drop and hinder future adoption of solar systems.

Solar-powered lights at bus stops malfunction soon after being fixed

MORE than 80 solar-powered lights at bus stops in Kajang, Cheras and Semenyih malfunctioned within three months after being installed.
Kajang municipal councillor Eddie Ng said only eight out of the 96 lights were functioning and the rest were not in working condition.
Ng said the lights were installed at the end of 2010 and in less than three months many had malfunctioned.


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Dua sen I could probably do a better job DIY the lights than those contractors tongue.gif

Sauce: http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...862&sec=central

My housing area have several solar powered street lights for the community park. Originally installed by the developer, most are functioning 5 years after they're originally installed. Others appear dead, no maintenance probably need to change the bulb or battery.

Has anyone tried to DIY their own solar projects? Share your experience, tips and equipment used.

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