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post Feb 15 2025, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 12:00 PM)
I setup an AWS instance that do nothing.
IPv4: 43.216.194.71
IPv6: 2406:da10:8a99:4e02:27ef:8e72:86c7:f5a2

Can you ping plotter with this 2 address simultaneously?

Ping it like a minute without upload.
Then start the upload.

I just want to get an idea about the congestion behavior.

EDIT:
This TM really lewat one la. Last time my FSU. Appointment 10am, they came 3:30pm.
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60second in upload timeframe.

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FYI queue is disabled after u ask queue off.

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post Feb 15 2025, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Feb 15 2025, 11:54 AM)
Ipv6 is unstable. i disable it .
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I had to fix it for futureproof...
The future is ipv6,unless i am going to stay with ipv4 for another 5-10years. rclxub.gif
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post Feb 15 2025, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 12:21 PM)
OK, I can clearly see a ladder pattern in the IPv6 latency.

This is a local congestion but why only IPv6 right?
If you dig back some of my old post in Unifi thread, I talk about how TM cheat speedtest.

They are using the same method to cheat bufferbloat test here.

What happen:
They configure a special queue targeting certain packet. So instead of having a sparse queue which fairly apply to all packet, they create special queue that selectively target IPv4 ICMP packet.
However, they forgot to create the same rule for IPv6.

Now the number might look nice in your ping plotter, but the real packet performance is what you are getting now.

Why queue "workaround" the problem is due to their HQoS.
1gig package has a higher priority traffic class than other traffic. But if you overshoot your upload limit, it ends up queueing.

Remember this is not a guaranteed situation. During peak usage, there is only so much buffer left and they will all be dropped. So HQoS in that case act as a policer instead of a shaper.

So yea, keep bitching to TM until they upgrade their shitty pipe. But it won't happen overnight.

Or keep escalating until someone create a rule for IPv6 so it will "looks good"
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You mean that why there is one day,i said i tried to upload with VPN,and all good?

Let me try it again now.

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post Feb 15 2025, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 12:32 PM)
Yup, depending on which VPN you use, they might use different MPLS circuit that's not congested and it will work.

EDIT:
I shutdown my AWS instance already.
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Upload to Google Drive.
Starting spikes is non-vpn-unifi only, and after a packet lost is ON VPN. (Alibaba Cloud SG- Private Peering)
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post Feb 15 2025, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 12:49 PM)
Yeap, so much better. So I would say highly likely is due to local congestion.

When the TM tech come, why don't you straight away frame him for local congestion and see his reaction? LOL.

Actually the packet loss in the middle are all loss of TTL Time Exceeded packet. I don't know if those are ASIC data plane but since those are Google's router, I assume they are.

The actual packet loss to your endpoint is only 0.5%.

Still doesn't explain why your Mikrotik loss so much TTL Time Exceeded packet, that remains a mystery.
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Later i will show him the upload and the pingplotter at the same time..haha icon_idea.gif
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post Feb 15 2025, 01:01 PM

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If your MikroTik is not using Queue, but IPv6 still experiences high latency while IPv4 is fine, the issue is likely caused by your ISP’s GPON DBA mechanism, IPv6 routing, or ISP QoS policies.
Possible Causes
GPON DBA Mechanism Affecting IPv6 More Than IPv4
GPON uses TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) for upstream traffic, and your ISP dynamically allocates bandwidth using DBA (Dynamic Bandwidth Allocation).
If the ISP applies a more restrictive DBA policy for IPv6, your ONT might need to wait longer for upstream time slots, causing higher latency.
IPv4 might be prioritized for bandwidth allocation, leading to lower latency.
ISP QoS or Traffic Shaping on IPv6 Traffic
Some ISPs prioritize IPv4 traffic over IPv6 by applying different QoS (Quality of Service) rules.
IPv6 traffic might be rate-limited or queued differently, especially under high network load.
IPv6 Takes a Longer Route (Suboptimal Routing)
Some ISPs use different backbone paths for IPv4 and IPv6.
If IPv6 traffic follows a longer or congested route, it can result in higher latency than IPv4.
You can verify this by checking the number of hops and routing path for IPv6 vs. IPv4.

Maybe is that TDMA causing issue?
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post Feb 15 2025, 01:10 PM

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With vpn to Google IPv6 only,and upload to google drive.

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Which mean as long as hitting a higher upload speed(With or without vpn), pure unifi ipv6 usage will all having high latency issue.

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post Feb 15 2025, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 01:14 PM)
Your observation is correct but technically it is the wrong understanding.
When you are using a "correct VPN", you are actually using another circuit that is not congested.
The term "correct VPN" here means the BNG will egress that packet to a different, uncongested MPLS circuit.

You can use the wrong VPN which end up in the congested circuit and still see terrible result.
How to choose the correct or incorrect VPN? Trial and error + pure luck
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I think u misunderstanding what i said.
I mean when the upload speed is highly utilize on my Unifi, whether the high speed is using within the vpn or without vpn-pure unifi only.
The latency will spikes on pure unifi. It does not matter about the routing.

The picture i attached just now,both are running at the same time.
Just the 1st one google drive is on vpn route. So the ping is abit higher only.
And the second one is to Unifi ipv6 gateway,and so the ping is keep spiking when the vpn routed uploading to google drive at the same time. (Pure unifi route for the traceroute)

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post Feb 15 2025, 02:34 PM

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Hi,tm technician came.
And he could not fix it..haha
About the disconnection,i think he know it is their system issue.
If later still disconnect,i will ask for pppoe pass reset.

And upload packet lost or high latency issue,he said he will call back to KL 1st.
And told me to feedback tomorrow.
But i dont think this will be fix. My thought is still the same as looks like their infrastructure configuration not optimized/misconfigure and causing the issue.
Although i can partially mitigate the issue,but i cant mitigate the first packet lost or high latency unless i queue with 1/2-2/3 of upload speed.

Just now he came,and the speed test upload just straight packet lost,but most of my test will having super high latency ms.

And the only thing he done is redo the fiber optic connector.
But i think no difference.

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post Feb 15 2025, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 02:38 PM)
I already expected that's kind of the outcome.
But you didn't even borrow some ONU to test for error and ask for a swap?
I expect that's the minimum you ask for.
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He did changed a zte onu,but the speed cant hit more than 900mbps.so he change back to GN630V.

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post Feb 15 2025, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 15 2025, 02:47 PM)
You should just swap your old Alcatel with the ZTE. At least you can login and get many more stuff out of it. The Alcatel is crazy locked down.
Did you ask him about the OLT you are using and potentially switch you to a different line card?

You should ask a tech to do what they can help you do. Configuring QoS and all those are not their daily job scope.
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Just wait tomorrow 1st,the technician said he do not close up the report. maybe push up to upper level to check again.
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post Feb 16 2025, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Feb 16 2025, 12:19 AM)
Don't waste time on Ipv6. They use all the cheap route.
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The problem is now the upload high latency issue not only happens to ipv6,it is also affecting ipv4.(Although not serious like ipv6,but occurs spikes to 2X-4X)
So it must be something wrong that need tm to fix it.
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post Feb 17 2025, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 17 2025, 01:20 PM)
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I more or less can reproduce your issue by blasting it with high packet per second (pps).
As you know forwarding / routing performance is based on pps, not bandwidth.

On my setup, anything more than 160k pps will stall the ONU and start missing packet. Mine is all 1gig setup. I am using 2gig service as a symmetric 1gig.

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With big packet (1400 bytes), 160k pps is equivalent to 1.7Gbps so you probably will pass speedtest.

All test performed using iperf3. Command like below:
iperf3 -c <server> -u -l 16 -b 100M

-l specify the packet length.

You can also use -P to specify number of parallel thread.

Lastly, not exactly sure if this is your issue but this is the only way I can reproduce the problem.
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Hi,from what i observed and tested just now.
Seems like my upload problem have been partially fixed. (With uploading without queue to 4 server at the same time)
But i not sure is this temporary only. Will try to test again tonight.
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post Feb 17 2025, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 17 2025, 04:55 PM)
Why partially fixed? Looks like fully fixed for me. Any problem that I am not seeing?
You are uploading at full 500 meg and latency is all green without queue. 0 packet loss to BNG.
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Ya,it almost 99% okay already.
But i not sure why the idle latency still higher than before FSU.
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post Feb 17 2025, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Feb 17 2025, 06:04 PM)
I am not familiar with how smokeping calculate the average. Wait for a week and see if the graph correct itself?
I suspect it just trend higher because you keep testing upload.
What idle latency did you get from ping plotter / speedtest if you stop testing your upload?
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Maybe it is the RPi issue,since i restart the RPi a few time in past weeks trying to renew the ipv6 address(when ipv6 not working at the time)
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post Mar 5 2025, 10:14 PM

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Not sure why i keep getting the same unifi ipv6 prefix after a abnormal power off...
And it causing me unable to use the ipv6...
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post May 31 2025, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(syahpian @ May 30 2025, 09:35 PM)
HEX S 2025 model


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Only SFP Port is 2.5G,not really useful actually.
Since most people dont really use SFP port.
Unless there is another 2.5G Lan or more then more suitable for current speed technology.
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post Jun 18 2025, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(cwtien @ Jun 17 2025, 08:50 PM)
Disable keepalive setting and it should get MTU 1492 (hopefully!).  It should be this:
"ppp - do not send initial echo request if keepalive-timeout=disabled;"
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It works!!! Thanks!!! biggrin.gif

And i just tried to speedtest with mtu1492,now i didn't need to enable queue for fixing bufferbloat!!!!
No more packet lost issue with hitting max speed!!!! rclxm9.gif

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post Jul 19 2025, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(blackbox14 @ Jul 19 2025, 11:38 AM)
Hi, I have somewhat of a unique situation in my house where the router is installed up on a small wall-mounted wooden plank that cannot fit most routers which sit flat. Noticed that Mikrotik has some options like the hAP AC2, AX2 and even the AX3 that can stand upright/vertical.

I have heard of the learning curve, but if I'm willing to learn routerOS, is it a good idea to get one of these Mikrotik models as opposed to something like a RT-AX59U?
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As long as you want to learn,and dont mind to spend time(At least few days or weeks) to tinkering with it,then go for it.
Once you configure it properly,then the networks will be staying good for years. brows.gif

Better get a arm processor based model for more function like container for ad-block or something else. (And more cpu power for more stability when using higher speed plan and function at the same time)
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post Sep 21 2025, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(kwss @ Sep 19 2025, 09:57 AM)
Doing 10g wirespeed is not easy yo. Even 2.5g wirespeed switch is expensive.

Those el-cheapo 2.5g switch actually cannot do wirespeed. They just daisy chain a few chips together. You do get what you pay for.
You can see the teardown:


If traffic pattern is mostly North-South, then just wait until you have that Internet speed to upgrade.
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Just buy the Asus and call it a day. You are getting the promised WiFi 7 improvement. No controller, no switch, no hassle.
Not exactly cheap but they do deliver.
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I think at current price for a 2.5G cheap switch,it doesn't matter how all the port hitting the max speed at the same time.
And secondly,most people only bought for home usage,and it is 100% enough for home usage.
1G to 2.5G = 2.5X of normal speed.
Even only hitting 2X=2G is already good enough. rclxm9.gif

I am using 2.5G unmanaged switch with My PC and Synology NAS with SMB3.0. (Both 2x 2.5G on both side can hit 500MB/s each direction,even 400MB/s is acceptable for me)

Not to mention 5Gbe switch will coming soon,as Realtek already release 5Gbe chip now.

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