All today's TV will be no more in production in half or one year time.
Now already July 2013, means the ST60 will also no production, maybe in half year time.

What we really need pay more attention is the after sale service and the warranty period.

I would say all video source have judder.
Just the matter of more visible or less visible only.
All movie in Bluray 24p format has judder, because of the 24p low frame rate, which in nature is not very smooth to our eye.
30p format will has less judder.
The 60Hz output will smooth out both 30p and 24p video source.

This can be set on the Bluray player, Media player or Computer/Laptop, not on the TV.
Set the output to 60Hz.

Oh So fast no more production? I have entend 2 years warranty. After Sales Service from shop or Panasonic?

I don't quite agree that 24p at 60Hz will have smoother motion than say 72Hz/96Hz. It really depends on how the set is doing the refresh. Some modes do weird things.

If done correctly, refreshing 24fps at 60Hz via 3:2 pulldown will show some irregularities. However, some displays do it better than say 24fps to 72Hz. It all depends on what is going on.

It also depends on individuals, some are more sensitive and its important to be able to differentiate motion issues with just phosphor trailing/refresh issues.

Panasonics handling of 24p material to 96Hz gets motion correct, but does cause some flickering and the way the draw the images can cause some individuals to see it as unnatural.

Its actually due to the way they refresh where it exhibits a little more false contouring that some are sensitive to. Also, getting ur calibration right, can reduce the effect to some extent.

Pioneers method of refresh and their 72Hz was the best I hv seen but their PulseWidthModulation (PWM) techniques that help to mask the false contouring and banding does cause a little more dither than some individuals find grainy. Panasonic draws a cleaner picture but the other side effects rear their ugly head. There is no perfect implementation. Panasonics became a little more apparent when they introduced the 3D. They made some adjustments to how to refresh in the later series that caused other issues. Samsungs have their problems as well. So u choose what is the least problematic to ur eyes.

Same goes to LCD based displays, some of them do it better but sacrifice something else.

Normally, you will deal with Panasonic first, if it is regarding the technical issue.
Panasonic will send a technician to your house, check everything, and make a report.

If the reported issue is valid, it is up to the shop to replace or repair for you.

Seem no real solution on this. All down to the different display video processing technology implementation to deal with the judder.


This post has been edited by Alan Yee: Jul 4 2013, 12:04 PM

Will check my TV tonight hope the extension cord problem. The shop already told me if problem again let them know.

Sifu, sorry 4 the noob questions...

So the juddering is because of certain video source may not able match certain TV perfectly and is not the TV got problem??

Certain video source may cause judder to Panasonic but may not/less judder in other brand TV, right???

Does Pioneer 6th generation TV is 72Hz and got PulseWidthModulation (PWM)??

Thank you.

Juddering in most cases is due to mismatch of frame rates of the source video vs the refresh rate of the display. While 24p has its own natural judder, most displays handle 24p correctly these days in multiples of 24 (ie, 48/72/96/120Hz) and there shd be minimal judder as the higher the refresh the more the eye believes the motion is smooth (most of the time). The danger with too high a refresh rate is that film start looking more like video.

As I explained, Panasonics handle 24p/30i/50i content perfectly. 24p is normally refreshed at 96Hz, 30i at 60Hz and 50i at 100Hz. 24p can be refreshed at 60Hz if u select the wrong option in the menu. That can cause unnatural judder in most cases.

All plasmas display/draw images using PWM so yes. What I meant is the method used by Pioneer causes less of the issues associated with the other displays (false contouring, banding etc) but the image by Pioneer 8th/9th Gen compared to Panasonic/Samsung are said to be slightly noisier for brighter scenes (hard to see if u step back about 3 feet from display).

Finally bought my 50st50.. Haha..im 2years late... But price diff from 60st60 and 50st50 is too much.. Haha..

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

LOL not too late in fact is a good buy

BTW how much was 60st60??

NO Astro for me also

welcome bro...where did you able to find this stock? just too rare in KL nowadays...

Where did u buy it? Anyway, I gave up on looking for the 50ST50K and instead bought a Samsung plasma PS51F5500 from Harvey Norman for RM3.9k. Comes with 4 active 3D glasses. A bit sad cos the screen not coated with decent anti reflective properties but it will have to make do. Panasonic's loss is Samsung's gain.

sad to heard that too...pity panasonic dint stock all their tv ample enough for buyers...
anyway enjoy the tv bro...sammy plasma will do his job well too

This post has been edited by neo_lam: Jul 4 2013, 11:18 PM

Legend hi fi. limited stock... Even bought 2 cause a friend was looking as well.

This post has been edited by stretch: Jul 5 2013, 06:10 AM

Yup... They should make one 50st60... For around 4k... Sure sell like hot cakes la...

Sadly nowadays most ppl go for LED TV...

As a good businessman, Mr Panny will follow the trend ...

This TV is using the pentile technology, do check out the screen pixel arrangement.