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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V4, Pana & Oly mirrorless system camera!

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post Nov 14 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Nov 14 2011, 02:10 PM)
Owh I see, now I get the clearer picture, thanks for the explanation, sniper smile.gif

Now I've narrowed down further.. I just viewed the Lumix GX1, seems to be amazing with the optional tilt-shift Live View Finder, fast auto-focus(lost to Nikon 1's speed though), and the power zoom! However, it will be released in December, gotta wait for it.. An alternative would be the Lumix G3.

Then, I need to compare further with the Nikon D5100, I have great impressions of that camera. Later on, I will have to compare with the Canon EOS 600D & 60D too, looks awesome..

I've been using snapsort.com to compare, it helped me a lot.

Please advice me smile.gif
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r u sure GX1 speed lose to Nikon 1? coz i tested Nikon V1 and J1, not reli fast compare to my E-P3


Added on November 14, 2011, 7:58 pm
QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Nov 14 2011, 12:52 PM)
m43 price is almost equivalent to a DSLR because it's still new, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still very new to this =/

Another problem of these devices over a DSLR is the lack of a viewfinder, I suppose an optical viewfinder is important for quality shots, is it? Imagine what happens if you try to take a photo under the sun where the LCD screen will be washed out by the ray.

I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons because I'm deciding to buy a camera by December. I've been a fan of Nikon, but if the m43 suits me better, I suppose I'll have to go for the Lumix..

The Nikon D5100 seems to be perfect but people keep telling me to get a compact camera so that I wouldn't regret it, gosh..
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got viewfinder or use live view is same sh*t nia. in d end is still depend ur eye to see it.
one of the advantage of live view is u can shoot high or low angle. E-P3 is using OLED screen, thus it wun wash out under the sun ray

Anyway EVIL = Mirrorless Camera

Mirrorless Camera = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1

Sony NEX, Samsung NX = CMOS Sensor (Same with entry level dslr sensor) where only 1.5/1.6x crop factor
Olympus, Panasonic = m4/3 where sensor are 2x crop factor
Nikon 1 = half size of m4/3 sensor size and 2.7X crop factor

So conclusion, EVIL = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1.
Just each of them had difference sensor and crop factor and lens mount.

dun get confuse smile.gif

This post has been edited by jloi: Nov 14 2011, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(catfish @ Nov 14 2011, 05:09 PM)
Try dpreview
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Thanks, will do it when I'm free wink.gif

QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 14 2011, 07:54 PM)
r u sure GX1 speed lose to Nikon 1? coz i tested Nikon V1 and J1, not reli fast compare to my E-P3


Added on November 14, 2011, 7:58 pm

got viewfinder or use live view is same sh*t nia. in d end is still depend ur eye to see it.
one of the advantage of live view is u can shoot high or low angle. E-P3 is using OLED screen, thus it wun wash out under the sun ray

Anyway EVIL = Mirrorless Camera

Mirrorless Camera = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1

Sony NEX, Samsung NX = CMOS Sensor (Same with entry level dslr sensor) where only 1.5/1.6x crop factor
Olympus, Panasonic = m4/3 where sensor are 2x crop factor
Nikon 1 = half size of m4/3 sensor size and 2.7X crop factor

So conclusion, EVIL = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1.
Just each of them had difference sensor and crop factor and lens mount.

dun get confuse smile.gif
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Hmm, speed of focus. But the GX1 was a pre-production GX1, check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWzpA6Y__U

Haha, what you said was quite right, but I guess it's personal preference. A swivel EVF would be cool, therefore the Nikon D5100 is great XD

Ya, I know what EVIL cameras are, checked via wikipedia. I was only confused over EVIL n m43 in the past, now I get a clearer picture smile.gif

Can you tell me more about crop factor? The lesser the better?
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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Nov 15 2011, 09:33 AM)
Thanks, will do it when I'm free wink.gif
Hmm, speed of focus. But the GX1 was a pre-production GX1, check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWzpA6Y__U

Haha, what you said was quite right, but I guess it's personal preference. A swivel EVF would be cool, therefore the Nikon D5100 is great XD

Ya, I know what EVIL cameras are, checked via wikipedia. I was only confused over EVIL n m43 in the past, now I get a clearer picture smile.gif

Can you tell me more about crop factor? The lesser the better?
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i'll check the video later when i m home, working now kenot stream youtube X)

yea swivel screen is d best too bad only EPL3 got, ep3 dun have ;/ but ep3 got d amazing touchscreen that i love alot.

Crop factor can read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor
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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 15 2011, 09:42 AM)
i'll check the video later when i m home, working now kenot stream youtube X)

yea swivel screen is d best too bad only EPL3 got, ep3 dun have ;/ but ep3 got d amazing touchscreen that i love alot.

Crop factor can read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor
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Haha, sure sure smile.gif

Lol, touchscreen is going a must have for you when you make your next purchase of camera huh?

Can you give me some feedback regarding touchscreens? I don't find it necessary but maybe you could convince me XD

I still don't get much about crop factor eventhough I've read that article in wiki shocking.gif

I suppose a 1.3-2.0 is safe since DSLRs have crop factors at that range =x
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QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Nov 15 2011, 09:49 AM)
Haha, sure sure smile.gif

Lol, touchscreen is going a must have for you when you make your next purchase of camera huh?

Can you give me some feedback regarding touchscreens? I don't find it necessary but maybe you could convince me XD

I still don't get much about crop factor eventhough I've read that article in wiki  shocking.gif

I suppose a 1.3-2.0 is safe since DSLRs have crop factors at that range =x
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not reli a must but just some extra features coz it allow me choose focusing point and snap in the speed of light rather then press left and right 1 by 1 using button.

base on my own understanding, crop factor is all refer to 35mm format.

for eg dslr with 1.5x crop factor when mount on 18mm lens, it actually is 18mm X 1.5 = 27mm in 35mm format

for m4/3 crop factor is 2 where the kit lens 14mm actually is 14 X 2 = 28mm in 35mm format

for nikon 1 with 2.7x crop factor where 10mm kit lens = 27mm in 35mm format.

compact camera with 1/2.2" sensor usually have 5.5x factor

for dslr, they have their own lens for Full frame. Eg Nikon for DX (crop sensor) and FX (full frame = 35 mm eq) lens
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wah this thread still active..respect,,
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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 15 2011, 10:14 AM)
not reli a must but just some extra features coz it allow me choose focusing point and snap in the speed of light rather then press left and right 1 by 1 using button.

base on my own understanding, crop factor is all refer to 35mm format.

for eg dslr with 1.5x crop factor when mount on 18mm lens, it actually is 18mm X 1.5 = 27mm in 35mm format

for m4/3 crop factor is 2 where the kit lens 14mm actually is 14 X 2 = 28mm in 35mm format

for nikon 1 with 2.7x crop factor where 10mm kit lens = 27mm in 35mm format.

compact camera with 1/2.2" sensor usually have 5.5x factor

for dslr, they have their own lens for Full frame. Eg Nikon for DX (crop sensor) and FX (full frame = 35 mm eq) lens
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by using the full frame sensor as reference, the field of view (FOV) of other sensors are relative to full frame...
at the same focal length, the 1.6x APS-C sensor FOV is as if cropped when compared to full frame...hence crop factor...
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Added on November 15, 2011, 9:23 pmSpam those nice m43 photo... rclxms.gif
I just love the digital teleconverter in the e-p3...And also the art filters...

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Hennessy Artistry anyone? wink.gif

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All shot taken by E-P3 and Kit lens. The only regret for me is no zoom lens and kenot move further front to take pics >,<
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jloi, really nice pictures there... can u share with us the settings from ur camera as i see quite smooth picture here with less noise, but maybe u already removed the noise with post-processing tongue.gif
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QUOTE(creezalird @ Nov 16 2011, 12:27 AM)
jloi, really nice pictures there... can u share with us the settings from ur camera as i see quite smooth picture here with less noise, but maybe u already removed the noise with post-processing tongue.gif
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That's part and parcel of digital photography.

jloi : nice pics. smile.gif
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thanks everyone X)

setting most shoot at 42mm f5.6 with iso 1000 (some with iso 400). Using default Natural mode. Noise reduction and filter off and that "keep warm" i off it too. I din remove the noise at all, what i did just adjust abit the level of photo.

how i wish m43 got fast lens..waiting Pana X lens to release tat X)


Added on November 16, 2011, 6:45 am
QUOTE(lonelywolf90 @ Nov 15 2011, 09:33 AM)
Thanks, will do it when I'm free wink.gif
Hmm, speed of focus. But the GX1 was a pre-production GX1, check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWzpA6Y__U

Haha, what you said was quite right, but I guess it's personal preference. A swivel EVF would be cool, therefore the Nikon D5100 is great XD

Ya, I know what EVIL cameras are, checked via wikipedia. I was only confused over EVIL n m43 in the past, now I get a clearer picture smile.gif

Can you tell me more about crop factor? The lesser the better?
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just check the video. they was comparing auto focus in video LOL but for still frame GX1 still pawned Nikon 1.

To be honest i dun trust auto focus in video, i rather use manual focus tongue.gif

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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 16 2011, 06:24 AM)
thanks everyone X)

setting most shoot at 42mm f5.6 with iso 1000 (some with iso 400). Using default Natural mode. Noise reduction and filter off and that "keep warm" i off it too. I din remove the noise at all, what i did just adjust abit the level of photo.

how i wish m43 got fast lens..waiting Pana X lens to release tat X)


Added on November 16, 2011, 6:45 am

just check the video. they was comparing auto focus in video LOL but for still frame GX1 still pawned Nikon 1.

To be honest i dun trust auto focus in video, i rather use manual focus  tongue.gif
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Did u have the image stabilizer on ?...
All shot in jpeg ?...

Very nice low light photo...
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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 15 2011, 10:14 AM)
not reli a must but just some extra features coz it allow me choose focusing point and snap in the speed of light rather then press left and right 1 by 1 using button.

base on my own understanding, crop factor is all refer to 35mm format.

for eg dslr with 1.5x crop factor when mount on 18mm lens, it actually is 18mm X 1.5 = 27mm in 35mm format

for m4/3 crop factor is 2 where the kit lens 14mm actually is 14 X 2 = 28mm in 35mm format

for nikon 1 with 2.7x crop factor where 10mm kit lens = 27mm in 35mm format.

compact camera with 1/2.2" sensor usually have 5.5x factor

for dslr, they have their own lens for Full frame. Eg Nikon for DX (crop sensor) and FX (full frame = 35 mm eq) lens
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Hmm, that's quite convincing actually.. I thought the focus could be toggled by turning dial around the lens, isn't it?

I'll make touchscreen as optional for now, I suppose not many support touchscreen yet.. At least not the D5100 =x

I can't recall if the GX1 has a touchscreen, but the power zoom sure looks nice =x

By the way, great photos taken of the Hennesy Artistry, thumbs up! smile.gif

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Nov 15 2011, 06:28 PM)
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picture speaks a thousand words...
by using the full frame sensor as reference, the field of view (FOV) of other sensors are relative to full frame...
at the same focal length, the 1.6x APS-C sensor FOV is as if cropped when compared to full frame...hence crop factor...
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Wow, so the smaller the crop factor, the better. It can be concluded that way huh?

Now I'm really understanding what a crop factor is, thanks a lot highwind85.. Now I feel more light headed as I'm beginning to understand certain terms already XD

This post has been edited by lonelywolf90: Nov 16 2011, 09:42 AM
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jloi,

nice artistry pictures...

did you use flash?

I'm still finding hard to take night shots...

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