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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V4, Pana & Oly mirrorless system camera!

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lonelywolf90
post Nov 13 2011, 08:30 PM

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Hi guys,

I'm very new in this, hope you all can get me clear about all these..

Is EVIL and M43 the exact same thing?

I'm currently undecided whether to buy a DSLR or a M43/EVIL.

Please advice, thank you.
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post Nov 14 2011, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(JekeChoo @ Nov 13 2011, 10:20 PM)
u can actually search on google and u ll get to find great answer.

yeah. Oly Pana M43, Sony Nex, Pentax Q, Nikon 1. these are all EVIL cameras.

so advs for dslr are:
-cheaper lens. as m43 lenses are so expensive. *of course they are much bigger than m43's lenses*
-better ergonomic.
-with viewfinder *which I only use at outdoor under bright sunlight*

advs for m43 are:
-small
-light weight
-convenient
-pretty

in terms of image quality It's comparable with dslr.
u can campare it using dpreview studio scene comparison.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicDMCGF3/page12.asp
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So, you're saying that EVIL and M43 are actually different systems right?

I did refer to certain sites via google, I still don't get it. Some say that they are the same while some say that they are different, please clear my head about this smile.gif

I was considering the D5100 from Nikon as the price seems affordable and it has great features plus the excellence in image quality(breath-taking), but when I ventured further into other systems such as EVIL & M43, I'm getting undecisive whether to purchase a DSLR.

What are your opinions about EVIL & M43? Will they become the future cameras and have the DSLRs phased out?
EVIL & M43 are very compact after all.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX1 seems to be a great device despite the limited kit lens(only two), on par with the D5100 Nikon or better? rclxub.gif

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post Nov 14 2011, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Nov 14 2011, 12:40 PM)
ppl here using m43 is only considered 1 thing that's LIGHTWEIGHT

perhaps i were wrong..

but m43 camera price almost equal to DSLR camera..
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m43 price is almost equivalent to a DSLR because it's still new, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still very new to this =/

Another problem of these devices over a DSLR is the lack of a viewfinder, I suppose an optical viewfinder is important for quality shots, is it? Imagine what happens if you try to take a photo under the sun where the LCD screen will be washed out by the ray.

I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons because I'm deciding to buy a camera by December. I've been a fan of Nikon, but if the m43 suits me better, I suppose I'll have to go for the Lumix..

The Nikon D5100 seems to be perfect but people keep telling me to get a compact camera so that I wouldn't regret it, gosh..
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post Nov 14 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 14 2011, 01:13 PM)
Let's put it another way....

EVIL/MILC/ILC or whatever they call it is a category of cameras typically having a bigger sensor than compacts, have interchangeable lens and doesn't come with a mirror assembly.

Micro Four Third is just one system in this category. There's quite a few companies that is part of this system but only Panasonic and Olympus is active. Lens are interchangeable within the micro four third system... the lens will have a micro 4/3 logo.

Other EVIL/MILC/ILC/MILF systems includes Sony's NEX (E-mount) system, Nikon's 1 (CX mount) system, Samsung's NX system and Pentax's Q system.

Primary benefit of EVIL/MILC/ILC is that they are seen to be more portable and less geeky than DSLR's.

In terms of which is better... personally I prefer a DSLR + compact camera combo....though I'm following the developments with great interest..... YMMV... depends on the shooter.
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Owh I see, now I get the clearer picture, thanks for the explanation, sniper smile.gif

Now I've narrowed down further.. I just viewed the Lumix GX1, seems to be amazing with the optional tilt-shift Live View Finder, fast auto-focus(lost to Nikon 1's speed though), and the power zoom! However, it will be released in December, gotta wait for it.. An alternative would be the Lumix G3.

Then, I need to compare further with the Nikon D5100, I have great impressions of that camera. Later on, I will have to compare with the Canon EOS 600D & 60D too, looks awesome..

I've been using snapsort.com to compare, it helped me a lot.

Please advice me smile.gif

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post Nov 14 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 14 2011, 03:07 PM)
No prob.. But dont just rely on snapsort. Not reliable.
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Thanks for the heads up wink.gif

I will do further comparisons through in depth browsing.

Do give me some suggestions over the mentioned cameras or websites if you have any.

Appreciate it, hehe. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 15 2011, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(catfish @ Nov 14 2011, 05:09 PM)
Try dpreview
it have more comprehensive reviews...
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Thanks, will do it when I'm free wink.gif

QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 14 2011, 07:54 PM)
r u sure GX1 speed lose to Nikon 1? coz i tested Nikon V1 and J1, not reli fast compare to my E-P3


Added on November 14, 2011, 7:58 pm

got viewfinder or use live view is same sh*t nia. in d end is still depend ur eye to see it.
one of the advantage of live view is u can shoot high or low angle. E-P3 is using OLED screen, thus it wun wash out under the sun ray

Anyway EVIL = Mirrorless Camera

Mirrorless Camera = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1

Sony NEX, Samsung NX = CMOS Sensor (Same with entry level dslr sensor) where only 1.5/1.6x crop factor
Olympus, Panasonic = m4/3 where sensor are 2x crop factor
Nikon 1 = half size of m4/3 sensor size and 2.7X crop factor

So conclusion, EVIL = Sony NEX, Samsung NX, Olympus Pen, Lumix Gh, GF and GX. Nikon 1.
Just each of them had difference sensor and crop factor and lens mount.

dun get confuse smile.gif
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Hmm, speed of focus. But the GX1 was a pre-production GX1, check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJWzpA6Y__U

Haha, what you said was quite right, but I guess it's personal preference. A swivel EVF would be cool, therefore the Nikon D5100 is great XD

Ya, I know what EVIL cameras are, checked via wikipedia. I was only confused over EVIL n m43 in the past, now I get a clearer picture smile.gif

Can you tell me more about crop factor? The lesser the better?
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post Nov 15 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 15 2011, 09:42 AM)
i'll check the video later when i m home, working now kenot stream youtube X)

yea swivel screen is d best too bad only EPL3 got, ep3 dun have ;/ but ep3 got d amazing touchscreen that i love alot.

Crop factor can read here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor
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Haha, sure sure smile.gif

Lol, touchscreen is going a must have for you when you make your next purchase of camera huh?

Can you give me some feedback regarding touchscreens? I don't find it necessary but maybe you could convince me XD

I still don't get much about crop factor eventhough I've read that article in wiki shocking.gif

I suppose a 1.3-2.0 is safe since DSLRs have crop factors at that range =x
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post Nov 16 2011, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Nov 15 2011, 10:14 AM)
not reli a must but just some extra features coz it allow me choose focusing point and snap in the speed of light rather then press left and right 1 by 1 using button.

base on my own understanding, crop factor is all refer to 35mm format.

for eg dslr with 1.5x crop factor when mount on 18mm lens, it actually is 18mm X 1.5 = 27mm in 35mm format

for m4/3 crop factor is 2 where the kit lens 14mm actually is 14 X 2 = 28mm in 35mm format

for nikon 1 with 2.7x crop factor where 10mm kit lens = 27mm in 35mm format.

compact camera with 1/2.2" sensor usually have 5.5x factor

for dslr, they have their own lens for Full frame. Eg Nikon for DX (crop sensor) and FX (full frame = 35 mm eq) lens
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Hmm, that's quite convincing actually.. I thought the focus could be toggled by turning dial around the lens, isn't it?

I'll make touchscreen as optional for now, I suppose not many support touchscreen yet.. At least not the D5100 =x

I can't recall if the GX1 has a touchscreen, but the power zoom sure looks nice =x

By the way, great photos taken of the Hennesy Artistry, thumbs up! smile.gif

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Nov 15 2011, 06:28 PM)
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picture speaks a thousand words...
by using the full frame sensor as reference, the field of view (FOV) of other sensors are relative to full frame...
at the same focal length, the 1.6x APS-C sensor FOV is as if cropped when compared to full frame...hence crop factor...
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Wow, so the smaller the crop factor, the better. It can be concluded that way huh?

Now I'm really understanding what a crop factor is, thanks a lot highwind85.. Now I feel more light headed as I'm beginning to understand certain terms already XD

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post Nov 25 2011, 10:01 AM

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Nice pictures everyone! =D

Keep 'em rollin'!!

Guys, have you heard news that a company(I think it's Fuji) will be releasing a lens bigger than DSLRs'?

Anyway, any Lumix GX1 spotted so far in Malaysia?
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post Nov 25 2011, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2011, 10:14 AM)
fuji has some pretty good compacts, but poor marketing if u ask me...
their x100 is too expensive for me...lol
i got my ep2 when it was on clearance, abt rm1150 only with 17 f2.8...

hey ahmike,
the muffin, jus crack it a bit at the top to show some nice cake inside smile.gif
u make me wan to go to kenny roger's...
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That was a good buy smile.gif
I see that Olympus can take great shots, so mouth watering drool.gif

QUOTE(ahmike89 @ Nov 25 2011, 01:49 PM)
lonelywolf: If not mistaken, olympus will have one for M43 too. Not sure is it 1260 f2.8-4.. looking forward for that.

ijnek: noted. but i was quite hungry that time, snapped it fast and hentam the food d tongue.gif

darkages: My advice is go for twin package. Both lenses are useful at their own and I must say 40-150 is quite good in taking pics. In 35mm equiv, it gives 80-300mm, can shoot things from afar like birdy. wink.gif
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Olympus too? Any name of the model so far?

I'm considering between Olympus and Lumix, is it the right time to buy? Planning to buy 1 in early December.

I'm new, so I'm not exposed to upcoming rumors and news, please advice me.
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post Dec 22 2011, 11:15 AM

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Guys, just got myself a Lumix GX1, love the rapid focus, awesome!

I bought mine with twin lens kit, not regretting it =)

Is there any sites where I could learn more about photography?

I would like to pick up on photography techniques like bokeh etc..

I'm so new in this, any tips?
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post Dec 22 2011, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(paksiew @ Dec 22 2011, 11:36 AM)
izzit come with the X lens ?
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I couldn't get the x lens, I think it's not available yet.

But I saw a 45mm-175mm(correct me if I'm wrong)x lens for sale around RM1500 @_@

Not ready to invest in lens yet, still a beginner sweat.gif

QUOTE(d@odao @ Dec 22 2011, 12:14 PM)
do share more photo from the gx1...
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I will if I got the confidence in me, I think I still suck in photography, that's why I want photography tips and techniques, I wanna learn biggrin.gif
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post Dec 23 2011, 10:21 PM

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True, so far only twin lens available, I just couldn't wait and bought the 1 with twin lens.

Anyway, Bo Eing Photo shop has stock for the GX1, you can check it out there biggrin.gif

Will upload photos soon when I'm free..

I'm still a noob at photography, hope u guys don't mind, hehe..

Anyway, any site for photography tips and tutorial for techniques? =x

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