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 I am preparing for Global Recession, Be cash rich

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MGM
post Sep 18 2011, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 18 2011, 08:23 AM)
MGM,

You TRUST the government..  I wish you best of luck...

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If you dont trust PNB, do you trust EPF, TabungHaji, Govt Owned banks, GIC companies?
If you dont, then what about UT that invested in local blue chips which are owned by these bodies?

If these bodies fail then Malaysia would collapse and there is no place to run accept offshore, Singapore?


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post Sep 18 2011, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 18 2011, 08:32 AM)
If you dont trust PNB, do you trust EPF, TabungHaji, Govt Owned banks, GIC companies?
If you dont, then what about UT that invested in local blue chips which are owned by these bodies?

If these bodies fail then Malaysia would collapse and there is no place to run accept offshore, Singapore?
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MGM,

Bingo...

I only invest on one counter in KLSE and it is NOT a GLC. Most of my investment are all over the world.

<<If these bodies fail then Malaysia would collapse and there is no place to run accept offshore>>

Now, you UNDERSTAND what will happen next in Malaysia.

What makes you THINK that Malaysia is not on the threshold of collapse??

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post Sep 18 2011, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 18 2011, 09:09 AM)
MGM,

Bingo...

I only invest on one counter in KLSE and it is NOT a GLC.  Most of my investment are all over the world.

<<If these bodies fail then Malaysia would collapse and there is no place to run accept offshore>>

Now, you UNDERSTAND what will happen next in Malaysia.

What makes you THINK that Malaysia is not on the threshold of collapse??

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What makes you THINK that Malaysia is on the threshold of collapse??

What makes you THINK that offshore countires are not on the threshold of collapse? Look what happen at japan, usa, european countires and other countries that depends on these places. The whole world is not safe if one is too paranoid.

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post Sep 18 2011, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 18 2011, 10:03 AM)
What makes you THINK that Malaysia is on the threshold of collapse??

What makes you THINK that offshore countires are not on the threshold of collapse? Look what happen at japan, usa, european countires and other countries that depends on these places. The whole world is not safe if one is too paranoid.
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MGM,

I wish you best of luck.....

It is VERY SIMPLE.

Either

A) You had seen enough signs to know that it is coming

Or,

B) You do not believe and have not seen any signs....

Looks like in your case, it is (B)...

<< What makes you THINK that offshore countires are not on the threshold of collapse? >>

You live in Malaysia and you DO NOT KNOW that Malaysia is SPECIAL?? Aka, Malaysia is DIFFERENT from all those countries??

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post Sep 18 2011, 11:53 AM

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Sigh....dreamer, dreamer.....after all these years still the same arguements all over again.

sigh....i do not have any particular love for the m'sian gomen. But i do know one thing - every single country is f*cked up in its own way.

Bottomline - if u r good - u will know how to insulate or ringfence your portfolio from risk, irregardless of whether it's country specific or not.

Your diversification theory leads to "di-worsi-fication" sometimes.

Sigh....and I do know one asset class which has always been missing from your portfolio. Hence, your thinking may not be holistic.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 18 2011, 08:20 AM)
I remember that in the 1997 financial crisis, Singapore banks were offering RM-FD @ 20 - 30%. There were a large amount of Rm getting out of the country. It was one of the reason that caused Capital Control.

IMHO, fix-price Amanah Saham is a good vehicle to park your emergency funds. It is much better than SA/FD in that you can withdraw whatever amount for your daily requirement from banks and still gaining higher return.

When opportunity comes you can withdraw these funds to invest and u still earn the dividen at the endof Financial year (prorated).
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 18 2011, 10:10 AM)
MGM,

You live in Malaysia and you DO NOT KNOW that Malaysia is SPECIAL??  Aka, Malaysia is DIFFERENT from all those countries??

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Malaysia is different from other countries is having these "fixed price fund".
Till now, fund experts still can't figure out how do the "fixed price fund" operates. It is one of the most unique type of fund in the world.

Do investors of these PNB's fixed price fund fully aware of that and yet they still queue up to buy this type of fund ?
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post Sep 18 2011, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Sep 18 2011, 03:34 AM)
whats the best thing one can do during recession except eating up the emergency fund?
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Buy land and plant rice, vege, rear livestock and you can last for many decades of recession. smile.gif
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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 18 2011, 03:01 PM)
Buy land and plant rice, vege, rear livestock and you can last for many decades of recession. smile.gif
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Bro, 2 more important things - weapons and people to secure it notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Fabio1 @ Sep 6 2011, 11:34 PM)
Well the 1 not prepared will suffer lets learn from our past experience.
If it happen what will be the chain reaction ,remember 1997 crisis
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to my humble opinion the coming recession will be due on really significant debt/asset ratio of european countries inherited during major financial institution bailouts not long ago,
so far, their currency have been depreciating ...a good example would be USD vs Euro
above is monetary macro-factors that will put a lot of external trades on delay and such affecting microeconomics commodities equilibrium...in short, change of cost of living, spending power and so forth. i leave you to imagine the consequence when it happens or already in progress.

apart from human cause factor, mother nature's influence on global economy is undeniable. just think about damages cos due to global warming, tsunami and earthquake. ever notice structure of the planet changes? yes it does, just that we are not long enough to witness. imagine what structure change can do to the economy....a simple example, earthquake at location decades ago pronounced as safe to build sky high buildings. thats rite, what happen if theres an earthquake at major cities? disconnection from the global village means handicap if not shutdown.


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QUOTE(chabalang @ Sep 17 2011, 09:34 PM)
Sorry to interrupt. Felt the need to clarify "the blast from the past". I can remember the CRUNCH during 1997/98 as I was working with one of the largest investment banks (or rather merchant banks at that time) in Malaysia. Let me refer to a few articles to help you understand better why it is possible to have 60 months for 10%-11% F.D. during 1998.

1) http://mrem.bernama.com/viewsm.php?idm=1000
15/04/1998: refers to the Astro promotion

2) http://mrem.bernama.com/viewsm.php?idm=999
15/04/1998: refers to the AM 50 Plus promotion - "During the promotion period customers will enjoy an additional 0.3 percent on top of AM 50 Plus normal interest rate of 11.20 percent p.a. for the tenures of six and nine months and 11.50 percent p.a. for 12 months and above."

3) http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...s-for-car-loans
“During the 1998 financial crisis, the interest rate for hire purchase loans for cars was around 8.0 per cent. "


4) http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=12&pg=6...h=12&EndYr=1998
KLIBOR during Sep 1997 to Dec 1998 - please note the sharp increase in KLIBOR during end-1997 and Jan-Aug of 1998 before capital controls were imposed.

During the 1998 financial crisis, there was a LIQUIDITY crunch in Malaysian banking system (local financial institutions were hit badly, people were withdrawing $$$ from local banks/FIs and depositing $$$ into foreign banks). If I recall correctly, there was even a 'bank run' on a local finance company (M--). Although your FD rates does not indicate such a high FD, FD rates of more than 10% were offered during 1998 before capital controls were implemented (note your FD rate is across banks/FIs over the whole year).

Why the finance company is willing to pay such a high interest for such a LONG period (60 mths)? Valid question...
Please refer the articles in 3) and 4) to get an idea why. AmFinance was the largest car financier at that time (HP rate of 8% translates to an effective rate of 14+% for a 5-yr car loan). Someone mentioned on asset-liability management for financial institutions (in this case, duration matching) - it can make sense for the finance company to give such FD rates for such a duration to support its HP loans during the period. During that period, the liquidity crunch was BAD and finance  companies were trying their best to ATTRACT as much as longer-term FDs as possible.
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Thanks to everyone on the confirmation of AmFin offering 10% FD rates in 1998 for FIVE years.

wonder how they survived?

In 1998 we had rcession, meaning it would be a scenario of low car sales to start with.
How would the low car sales match with, i would imagine long queues of customers taking up the
10% FDs for FIVE years, if there was low car sales due to the RECEssion?

Unless very low sales on the FDs as well?

i am learning a lot here.
But cherroy has not convinced me yet THAT gold is a bad performer! biggrin.gif
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-deleted - aiyamak, seeing things this morning, pre-caffeine ingestion period.
my apologies notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 19 2011, 08:22 AM)
-deleted - aiyamak, seeing things this morning, pre-caffeine ingestion period.
my apologies  notworthy.gif
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Too much RMs flowing by perhaps? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 19 2011, 08:27 AM)
Too much RMs flowing by perhaps?   biggrin.gif
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Flowing by IN ok lar rclxms.gif
Unfortunately my last month's --> this month's differential in net worth was negative - 1st time in several donkey years cry.gif

And.. no.. i still blame my mis-reading/posting on caffeine deficiency tongue.gif

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 19 2011, 08:27 AM)
Too much RMs flowing by perhaps?  biggrin.gif
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Ok Guys/girls, let say the situation is twisted.

Instead of recession, we have hyperinflation.

Q.

1. What happen to our RM500k cash saving / epf?

2. Existing loan? Let say RM500k, Islamic fixed rate.
I manage to work as a cleaner in a restaurant during hyperinflation and they pay me RM1 trillion per hour. Can I pay my loan? If no, is there are specific bank's t&c that allow them to restrict us to pay?

Can someone enlighten me?
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QUOTE(OneBuck @ Sep 19 2011, 09:12 AM)
Ok Guys/girls, let say the situation is twisted.

Instead of recession, we have hyperinflation.

Q.

1. What happen to our RM500k cash saving / epf?

2. Existing loan? Let say RM500k, Islamic fixed rate.
I manage to work as a cleaner in a restaurant during hyperinflation and they pay me RM1 trillion per hour. Can I pay my loan? If no, is there are specific bank's t&c that allow them to restrict us to pay?

Can someone enlighten me?
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Google weimar republic or Zimbabwe+hyperinflation

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post Sep 19 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 19 2011, 09:24 AM)
Google weimar republic or Zimbabwe+hyperinflation

Bro prophetjul, i thought you can spoon feed me. Instead have to goog and read. tongue.gif

Q 1, answered. Q2, I will read it first....


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Unbelievable.... I found it! After jumping from page to page, website to website and almost ask to be spoon feed, there it is.....

"Contractually there is often no bar to a debtor clearing his long term debt with "hyperinflated-cash" nor could a lender simply somehow suspend the loan. "Early redemption penalties" were (and still are) often based on a penalty of x months of interest/payment; again no real bar to paying off what had been a large loan. In interwar Germany, for example, much private and corporate debt was effectively wiped out; certainly for those holding fixed interest rate loans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

So guys/girls, if you predict that hyperinflation will happen in Malaysia, make loans as many as possible and pay it with hyperinflation money....

Wow, it is so easy......

Any comment?

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QUOTE(OneBuck @ Sep 19 2011, 09:34 AM)
Bro prophetjul, i thought you can spoon feed me. Instead have to goog and read.  tongue.gif

Q 1, answered. Q2, I will read it first....
............................

Unbelievable.... I found it! After jumping from page to page, website to website and almost ask to be spoon feed, there it is.....

"Contractually there is often no bar to a debtor clearing his long term debt with "hyperinflated-cash" nor could a lender simply somehow suspend the loan. "Early redemption penalties" were (and still are) often based on a penalty of x months of interest/payment; again no real bar to paying off what had been a large loan. In interwar Germany, for example, much private and corporate debt was effectively wiped out; certainly for those holding fixed interest rate loans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

So guys/girls, if you predict that hyperinflation will happen in Malaysia, make loans as many as possible and pay it with hyperinflation money....

Wow, it is so easy......

Any comment?
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oh easy?
So what happen to all the bank in Malaysia? Do you think people still want to own asset in Malaysia if that happen?
all the basic necessity things will be the most valuable things if that happen( water,food etc...).

just my 2cents
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Sep 19 2011, 03:57 PM)
oh easy?
So what happen to all the bank in Malaysia? Do you think people still want to own asset in Malaysia if that happen?
all the basic necessity things will be the most valuable things if that happen( water,food etc...).

just my 2cents
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I think you missing the point (or I wrote it wrongly tongue.gif )

Thing happen before, during and after is all a different world.

Extreme case. Today, for RM500k loan, I can buy a nice bungalow, at 5 acres land near water sources at Malacca and another RM500k personal loan I will buy Gold.

Tomorrow hyperinflation happen.

We are all will searching for shelter, water and food but I basically have nice bungalow and gold free from debt and another person worrying about country investment have.... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(OneBuck @ Sep 19 2011, 04:59 PM)
Extreme case. Today, for RM500k loan, I can buy a nice bungalow, at 5 acres land near water sources at Malacca and another RM500k personal loan I will buy Gold.

Tomorrow hyperinflation happen.

We are all will searching for shelter, water and food but I basically have nice bungalow and gold free from debt and another person worrying about country investment have....  whistling.gif
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Do you think you alone staying in nice bungalow and having 500k gold is safe when others or millions people are searching for shelter, no water, no food just outside of your bungalow? whistling.gif

Hyper-inflation often associating with social unrest
and little people have faith in a hyperinflation countries economy nor want to own anything in the country, and doing business there, because the currency can be worthless.


Added on September 19, 2011, 5:37 pmFeel good about hyperinflation that can solve your debt problem? doh.gif
You lose even more.

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Just a thought, Uncle Sam is printing so much money, and because the currency is such international it is everywhere. And when the world is flooded with the currency, what if none of the countries is spared from hyperinflation?

When that happens, we can forget about economic performances, foreign investment, asset classes, bungalow, etc etc.

Social unrest will prevail until a certain force strong enough to gain control over the mass public. Social stability and economies may take months or even years to be restored (not recovered, but just to put orders back in place again).

I suspect, during that period, barter system or commodity-based exchange system will be commonly acceptable until everybody settle with a common way of exchange. Perhaps, back to commodity-backed (gold/silver) currency. Basically start all over again and evolve, and naturally let the history repeat itself again in 50-100 yrs time?


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