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 ::: ART ATTACK V3 :::, all about handmade ART :D

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Keiichi
post Sep 21 2011, 09:13 PM

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I apologize for the late reply. I was at Mdec's IPCC event today, and its full of disappointments. Despite that, there's alot of fun and exciting parts too. That's another story.

Benny> The method of drawing marvel/dc style isn't that different from drawing normally, except that the shadows are more linear and 'high contrast' to certain extent. However the artist should define the lines properly as the pencils they normally do will be passed on the inker to be inked. They should keep in mind that lines are not scratchy, double-lined or too much gradient effect (transition from light to dark) as this will make the inker pissed off, confused and utterly destroy your work.

In a sense, your work should be clean, defined and readable.

There's a few methods to do this, though. And all of them requires deep understanding of anatomy, lighting and dynamic shots and angles. However knowledge of architecture, mechanical, and fashion is added plus.
The first method normally what people do: Draw straight on the board. However i do not like this method because it can be wasteful, since if i change my mind in the middle of artwork, there's no CRTL+Z for it. Make sure you're really comfortable and confirm with the layout that you want, and work on it until its finished.

The second method involves a LightBox. Its tedious, backbreaking and difficult, Technically you're working twice for one page. First, draw the page on a different piece of paper, then use the lightbox to trace the drawing onto the drawing board. I rather use this method since i still can change and move around the layout just in case i'm not happy about it. However the result are normally impressive. You can get a very clean lines and usually impress alot of editors out there.

To be honest, its hard for me to explain through the forum, since i prefer coaching one by one. But put this as a base: The shadows are normally solid black, and the lines that comes out (see that lines sticking out?) those are gradient lines, since everything needs to be defined by inklines later. Its called feathering, by the way. The line thickness dictates the distance from the camera.

I hope it does make sense to you. If you can show me your work, then i can comment more.
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post Sep 21 2011, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 21 2011, 03:05 PM)
wan modify dreadlock's doodle but end up i do another one crap.

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but question: why the girl pose like this? is her throwing or holding basketball?? unsure.gif
she was done saving the ball and her panties was flying
holding it with one hand
add digital effect like she was charging it

looks odd ... really

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 21 2011, 03:05 PM)
anyway this is my crap stuff.
i still weak in high contrast stuff.
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feel free to modify... do an action one  brows.gif ... can refer to naruto's rasengan pose
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she lwas more like mirajane in demon takeover ,

haha


Added on September 21, 2011, 10:48 pmanother sketch

Title : my girl friend is a vampire

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its a little off but i think its good
happy time
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Sep 22 2011, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Dreadlock13 @ Sep 21 2011, 09:31 PM)

Added on September 21, 2011, 10:48 pmanother sketch

Title : my girl friend is a vampire

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its a little off but i think its good
happy time
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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morrigan (darkstalker) influence a lot inside tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Keiichi @ Sep 21 2011, 09:13 PM)
I apologize for the late reply. I was at Mdec's IPCC event today, and its full of disappointments. Despite that, there's alot of fun and exciting parts too. That's another story.

Benny> The method of drawing marvel/dc style isn't that different from drawing normally, except that the shadows are more linear and 'high contrast' to certain extent. However the artist should define the lines properly as the pencils they normally do will be passed on the inker to be inked. They should keep in mind that lines are not scratchy, double-lined or too much gradient effect (transition from light to dark) as this will make the inker pissed off, confused and utterly destroy your work.

In a sense, your work should be clean, defined and readable.

There's a few methods to do this, though. And all of them requires deep understanding of anatomy, lighting and dynamic shots and angles. However knowledge of architecture, mechanical, and fashion is added plus.
The first method normally what people do: Draw straight on the board. However i do not like this method because it can be wasteful, since if i change my mind in the middle of artwork, there's no CRTL+Z for it. Make sure you're really comfortable and confirm with the layout that you want, and work on it until its finished.

The second method involves a LightBox. Its tedious, backbreaking and difficult, Technically you're working twice for one page. First, draw the page on a different piece of paper, then use the lightbox to trace the drawing onto the drawing board. I rather use this method since i still can change and move around the layout just in case i'm not happy about it. However the result are normally impressive. You can get a very clean lines and usually impress alot of editors out there.

To be honest, its hard for me to explain through the forum, since i prefer coaching one by one. But put this as a base: The shadows are normally solid black, and the lines that comes out (see that lines sticking out?) those are gradient lines, since everything needs to be defined by inklines later. Its called feathering, by the way. The line thickness dictates the distance from the camera.

I hope it does make sense to you. If you can show me your work, then i can comment more.
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another question
im able to emulate the lightbox method on photoshop
but not the control of the strokes
i tried to make a pencil brush
but it differs too much from the real one
do you still do it manually or digitally?
i have not tried to do a pencilling work before but i'm still exploring it how do it

an awful attempt i did earlier this month
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 04:41 PM)
another question
im able to emulate the lightbox method on photoshop
but not the control of the strokes
i tried to make a pencil brush
but it differs too much from the real one
do you still do it manually or digitally?
i have not tried to do a pencilling work before but i'm still exploring it how do it

an awful attempt i did earlier this month
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do this looks like pencil? tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:44 PM)
do this looks like pencil?  tongue.gif
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mmm like marker if u ask me
the edge does looks like pencil
still looking for a method to create more tasteful strokes

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 04:46 PM)
mmm like marker if u ask me
the edge does looks like pencil
im still looking for brushes that i can create tasteful strokes
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try set the brush from normal to "darker" XD
maybe will looks like pencil? and use minimum size stroke so the stroke size wont change much...
and choose dark instead of pure black... tongue.gif

and for the black area, use strokes to fill in. not big width one...see got pencil effect or not tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:48 PM)
try set the brush from normal to "darker" XD
maybe will looks like pencil? and use minimum size stroke so the stroke size wont change much...
and choose dark instead of pure black...  tongue.gif

and for the black area, use strokes to fill in. not big width one...see got pencil effect or not  tongue.gif
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here's what i did with my brushes
i load the natural brushes for photoshop
took the chalk brush
apply other dynamics and texture
it does work,but the line isn't define enough as if the pencil is blunt

OR

it's my method that i normally use for my cg doesnt apply to it


Added on September 22, 2011, 4:51 pmbtw something to share with all of you

http://www.farlowstudios.com/tutorials/about-proportion/

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post Sep 22 2011, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 04:50 PM)
here's what i did with my brushes
i load the natural brushes for photoshop
took the chalk brush
apply other dynamics and texture
it does work,but the line isn't define enough as if the pencil is blunt

OR

it's my method that i normally use for my cg doesnt apply to it


Added on September 22, 2011, 4:51 pmbtw something to share with all of you

http://www.farlowstudios.com/tutorials/about-proportion/
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but in the end i think... pencil or not , looks nice can already tongue.gif
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post Sep 22 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:54 PM)
but in the end i think... pencil or not , looks nice can already  tongue.gif
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i do agree that if it looks nice
can already
but theres something i want to learn thru the way of a penciller work
because they can create and render out the detailness which i have been lacking out all these while
and also
im a fan of these pencilling work,it's just so tasteful i cant resist
lol
afterall im just trying expand my skillsets
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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 04:57 PM)
i do agree that if it looks nice
can already
but theres something i want to learn thru the way of a penciller work
because they can create and render out the detailness which i have been lacking out all these while
and also
im a fan of these pencilling work,it's just so tasteful i cant resist
lol
afterall im just trying expand my skillsets
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Didnt u start with pencilling?
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 04:57 PM)
i do agree that if it looks nice
can already
but theres something i want to learn thru the way of a penciller work
because they can create and render out the detailness which i have been lacking out all these while
and also
im a fan of these pencilling work,it's just so tasteful i cant resist
lol
afterall im just trying expand my skillsets
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then use a real pencil hhaha...
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Sep 22 2011, 05:01 PM)
Didnt u start with pencilling?
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nope
i more to a digital method
which i start with a blob or a shape then only detailing it out

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:01 PM)
then use a real pencil hhaha...
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mmmmmm,i still prefer to use the tablet

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 05:04 PM)
nope
i more to a digital method
which i start with a blob or a shape then only detailing it out
mmmmmm,i still prefer to use the tablet
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Tablet cant do what pencil does.hahaha
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QUOTE(Adamiquesce @ Sep 22 2011, 05:05 PM)
Tablet cant do what pencil does.hahaha
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sadly
it is a fact

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 04:44 PM)
do this looks like pencil?  tongue.gif
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Im no shading expert but im not digging this though. the strokes are inconsistent and the outlines thickness a little awkward when u blend in with soft shade.

Actually more like the shade is everywhere with no light source focus.


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post Sep 22 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 05:04 PM)
nope
i more to a digital method
which i start with a blob or a shape then only detailing it out
mmmmmm,i still prefer to use the tablet
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if you use cintiq then i have nothing to say with, but off screen drawing i think use pencil got other feeling XD
actually both for me is same XD

*off screen one la haha*
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:10 PM)
if you use cintiq then i have nothing to say with, but off screen drawing i think use pencil got other feeling XD
actually both for me is same XD

*off screen one la haha*
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given the budget
i'd still choose intuos more than cintiq
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Sep 22 2011, 05:16 PM)
given the budget
i'd still choose intuos more than cintiq
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me too, but for someone like programmer they prefer to cintiq.
beause we are get use to with off screen style drawing.

@DaddyO: sweat.gif true, that time i focus on detailing only tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:20 PM)
me too, but for someone like programmer they prefer to cintiq.
beause we are get use to with off screen style drawing.

@DaddyO:  sweat.gif  true, that time i focus on detailing only  tongue.gif
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do u mind if i ask u
what are you working as right now?
mm you seems very free doodling art every now n then =p
just askin

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