Also for dry/wet kitchen, please plan what equipments you plan to put there. Some may require more than 13A plugs (15-20A) -ie. Oven, large fridge, cookers. Also don't forget plugs for hood and burners. Go look in you existing kitchen and see how much electrical stuff you have, that is how many points you will need.

More is better, and make sure get 11 core armored cable up to the gate.

Also make a on/off switch inside the house so you can switch off the outdoor socket when not use. You don't want postman come in charge the phone

And get outdoor / weather proof power socket.

the way you guys comment, its seems like the 60K quote by one of the contractor make sense.

base on planning, the layout wiring for hall top use a visible PVC pipe between wiring points. but then they said the plaster ceiling should cover up the entire trunking. is it the correct way, i had an argument with my sis on this make it a must for us to have total plaster ceiling for all halls.

On the other hand, socket wiring will be run through pvc pipe conceal within walls. if we confirm with this contractor, they will lay those pvc piping before the inner layer wall stack up.

This post has been edited by RS232C: Aug 29 2011, 12:57 PM

Plaster ceilings- would depend on the design that your sis did. If the original design was opened then there would be no plaster ceiling. Ask her to give you a 3D sketch of the space and see if it is to your liking

If your sister is going for a natural look then no ceilings. Think - Kevin Low.

nah, i cant comment much on design since she design it to be the way my parents liking. We are pretty topup/contribute some money and arrange everything from them.

A forumer PM'ed me and would like to see the whole planning thus he can give me a rough figure quote.

If you building entire house brand new, is good to have all wires hidden in the slab. But this required proper planing early design of electrical points / outlet.

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Added on August 29, 2011, 1:56 pmcompare apply and apple, you can compare per point / outlet. If 35k give you only 100 outlets, but 60k give you 200 outlets it workout 60k contractor is cheaper.

This post has been edited by weikee: Aug 29 2011, 01:56 PM

Very big bungalow. For 6300 square feet, my estimate for everything is at least 1.8m, move in condition for simple interior only.

Good luck and looking forward to more photo

This post has been edited by fyseng: Aug 29 2011, 03:05 PM

do you mind to mentioned what does the RM700k has covered so far? From the photo I can listing down for you the following items :-

A) Roofing
B) window + glazing
C) floor finishes (natural stone, tiles, timber flooring or etc)
D) wall finishes (ditto)
E) painting works
F) hard landscaping works
G) soft landscaping works

If your RM700k hasn't include the above work.. Better start planning your financial as well as finalize your design...

A) Roofing YES
B) window + glazing YES + grill + railing
C) floor finishes YES tiles ground floor + fully timber flooring for upper floor
D) wall finishes (ditto) YES + custom teak door for all door except bathroom doors
E) painting works YES
F) hard landscaping works NOPE
G) soft landscaping works NOPE


the amount will reach almost 700k with below item in place
1) wiring - the one quoted 60K
2) additional 2 big pillar at car pouch (without the pillar it will look super weird like mini shopping mall ) total almost 25K
3) 'kampung style' gazebo right infront of house 10K
4) piping and sewerage 50K (25K alone just to create one deep 'dumping sewerage system' area bout 30 meters from house as kampung area do not have indah water kind of waste sewerage)
5) 50K buffer for all item A-E and 1-4

will snap some pic tomorrow as im going back to sg buloh for raya.

Good point.
My wiring man told me a story where burglars uses the outdoor socket to power up their power tools to saw through the window grille when they were breaking in to a house

The plumbing cost for a solar and storage heater is the same. U nd to connect the copper pipes from each bathrooms upto the ceiling. Alternatively for storage heaters, u can just prepare the copper pipes above ur bathrooms but that would cost u a bomb as u nd one storage heater per bathroom. If u have 5 bathrooms u nd 2 get 5 storage heaters but for solar, one is sufficient.

Just to share my experience using a storage heater.
I just came back from PD, stayed at Legend international water chalet. Was disappointed with the shower as they are using storage heaters. Before i could shower, i nd 2 turn on the storage heater like 5-10 minutes. After 10 minutes, the water is still warm only, i nd 2 turn it to maximum hot without mixing any cold water. Bcoz of that, the water pressure is weak. The next time i shower, i turned it on for 45 minutes and that is when i could really enjoy my shower with strong water pressure and the water is reasonably hot. After my shower, my friends nd to wait another 5-10 minutes before they could take their showers.

Usually hotels like First World use centralized system, u can get hot water in just 10 sec, dont have to wait and the water pressure is strong. Would u wanna wait for your shower after a hard day work when u got home?

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 30 2011, 03:32 PM

Those centralize heater for hotel is different from home storage heater. I use joven storage for my home. 1-2 minute and the water is hot enough.

Copper pipe is very very expensive. Prefer to install one storage for each bathroom. 4 years ago my plumber charge me RM 900 to connect one storage for 2 bathroom. The copper pipe length is about 75 feet. Storage heater only cost few hundred each depend on size.

This post has been edited by fyseng: Aug 30 2011, 04:15 PM

i guess u r using 3 or 5 gal. Legend should b using 10gal or more that is why it requires a longer time to boil. U can actually roughly estimate, to boil a kettle of water u nd few minutes, boiling a tank with 10 gal of water, it will definitely take a long time.

If u like centralize heaters like hotels, the only solution is to go for solar heater.

Estimate RM3k for each bathroom for copper pipe + cold water piping
Would advise to add pump for better water pressure
Stainless steel water tank x2, location to install also important.
Design the cold water piping when no electricity supply you still have water supply either from water tank or direct to your toilet

Water storage heating piping can be difference from solar piping, can be 70% difference.

There are two ways to install storage heaters. Assuming u have 5 bathrooms.

a) You could connect all the copper pipes from the 5 bathrooms and go all the way up to the ceiling, then get 2 - 3 storage heaters, some wanna save $$ get one big storage heater. The plumbing cost for this is same as solar heater.

b) You could install one storage heater in ur bathroom or hide it above your plaster ceiling. Either 1 or 2 bathrooms share one storage heater. So, for 5 bathrooms you might nd 4-5 storage heaters. The plumbing cost is much cheaper this way but u nd 2 spend more $$ in buying more storage heaters.

You can get a big storage tank to supply hot water for all 5 bathrooms but the bigger the tank, the longer it takes to heat up the water as the heating element is still 3kw no matter whatz the size. It is recommended to get one storage tank per bathroom. If you are planning to get rain shower and mixers for your master bathroom only, YES storage heater would b a good choice but for whole house, Solar Heater is a better choice. Once u use solar, you will never wan to get storage heaters again.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Aug 30 2011, 10:49 PM

No tel pt, Tv pt, Astro Pt?? for kt, beside std plug, no plan for oven/ streamer/ induction hob/ infrared hob/ hood??
no cost for DB, cable from TNB meter to your main DB( u don't want overhang cable from TNB pole right!!)
sub main cable

no fencing, auto gate for bungalow


but 750k for 6.3kbuilt up = mission impossible

Thats why early design for M&E also so important.
Make sure that the autogate controller located outside where place hardly to reach. Dont put it near to the gate itself... Most power tool need more then 10amp fuse, isolate the autogate to a dedicated line and just put the 5amp fuse... So if someone would like to tap from this line, fuse will break first due to overload.. Early prevention...same to ur outdoor lighting and pool pump..

detail electrical quotation

1) 3 phase underground - RM8500
2) 24 way 3 phase metal DB (2unit) RM5600
3) Surface metal panel - RM 650
4) Eathing - RM1200
5) PLC Downlight Point- RM 55each x (number of points)
6) Fluoresence Lighting Point - RM55each x (number of points)
7) Wall Lighting Point - RM55each x (number of points)
8) Fan Point - RM90each x (number of points)
9) 13A Power Point - RM85each x (number of points)
10) 20A Power Point - RM120each x (number of points)
11) Tel Points - RM100each x (number of points)
12) AirCond Points - RM250 x (number of points)
13) Astro Points - RM100 x (number of points)

If any wiring contractor can give cheaper than this based on rough quote. let me know


No we dont use auto gate since this is kampung area.

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Added on August 31, 2011, 1:35 pmwell, once complete. will let know whether its possible or not. the way i see it excluding furnishing on 2nd floor rooms, its possible,


Ceiling finishes Quote

1) Plaster Ceiling with paint - 642unit in m2 - RM17976 which includes L box, Belmet, Step cornies based on the floor plan design

Painting
1) Externall Wall, 608 unit m2 - RM7296
2) Internal Wall, 1966 unit m2 - RM 15728

Internal Wall Finishes
1) 18mm plaster to walls, beams and columns, RM45218

External Wall Finishes
1) 18mm plaster to walls, beams and columns, RM17024
2) to isolate column, beam & RC hood RM2000

Timber Flooring
1) Laminated timber flooring (selected area only), 250 unit m2, RM15000
2) MDF 100mm skirting 569 unit m2, RM9673
3) Staircase with riser, 19 steps, RM5700 (merbau TG or Solid hardwood)


Plumbing Manage to get more discount down to RM45500 (including water pump RM2000)


This post has been edited by RS232C: Aug 31 2011, 01:46 PM

The internal wall finishing-plastering price per sq meter seem to good to good to be true
Or the price u mention is only for labour only, not include material like cement, sand.....