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TSRS232C
post Aug 28 2011, 11:42 PM, updated 15y ago

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Dear All,

I would like to share my family house construction on a 1 acre land in Sungai Buloh. Curretly we had a budget slippage by 150K++ sweat.gif

Initially my parents allocated 250K for this house each of us (4 total siblings) contributed RM40-50K additional for the said house. However current cost already reach almost 700K (yet to include hall, bedroom, toilet furnishing even worst electrical wiring)

we requested quotation from 3 wiring contractors and the cheapest quoted us RM35K for the overall banglo wiring. which we find a little bit expensive and plan to cut the cost to 20K-25K Max. Appreciate forumers assistance to share your wiring contractors whom have good workmanship + affordable pricing.

What we need is

1) wiring contractor
2) kitchen furnishing contractor
3) bathroom furnishing contractor


all above contractor need to work out together with construction contractor (main contractor) for this entire project supervised by my sister whom is the architect for this house. My sister will share the whole floor plan to the appointed contractor.

Some pic to share and i will update it from time to time on the overall progress.

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post Aug 28 2011, 11:45 PM

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WOW, 150k to 700k is a whopping 550k!

Anyway, as for electrical wiring, perhaps you could share what your plans are.
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post Aug 28 2011, 11:47 PM

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lols like a mini shopping mall rather than a bunglow to me haha

Btw, i bliv u nd to get some bathroom stuff like toilet bowl, taps, basins and etc. Most probably u nd a solar water heater and water pump as well. I do sell of those and my shop is in Kepong, near to sungai buloh. Just join my facebook to view our latest promotions.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?flyingspa...100001245528914

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post Aug 28 2011, 11:49 PM

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I think for such a big house, 30k for wiring is not really expensive. I was quoted for about 20k+ for a double storey link house. Of course, without knowing details, it is difficult to say for sure.

If your sister is the architect, it is really strange that the realistic cost for construction was not made known earlier...

I see u are using cement bricks as it is... with such a big structure, the clay roof tiles alone will cost u a minimum of RM30k I think...

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TSRS232C
post Aug 28 2011, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(eclipse-space @ Aug 28 2011, 11:45 PM)
WOW, 150k to 700k is a whopping 550k!

Anyway, as for electrical wiring, perhaps you could share what your plans are.
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nope.. its RM250K + RM40K + RM 50K + RM 50K + RM50K = 440K ; now almost 700K.

anyway, plan to have 3 phase wiring since the house is huge and will have a lot of aircond. Do you have any contact for wiring contractor, if yes appreciate if you can share with me, and i will bring my sister to share the whole planning for it. I only know the surface of the entire project but was appointed to control the budget within the acceptable figure.

Its a family project anyway


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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Aug 28 2011, 11:47 PM)
lols like a mini shopping mall rather than a bunglow to me haha

Btw, i bliv u nd to get some bathroom stuff like toilet bowl, taps, basins and etc. Most probably u nd a solar water heater and water pump as well. I do sell of those and my shop is in Kepong, near to sungai buloh. Just join my facebook to view our latest promotions.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?flyingspa...100001245528914
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I already requested just now. please add


QUOTE(lizziewong @ Aug 28 2011, 11:49 PM)
I think for such a big house, 30k for wiring is not really expensive.  I was quoted for about 20k+ for a double storey link house.   Of course, without knowing details, it is difficult to say for sure.

If your sister is the architect, it is really strange that the realistic cost for construction was not made known earlier...
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slippage because of balcony extension and change 3 layer wall (inner layer sand brick, outward facing and inward facing using clay brick) the bricks cost a lot. Plus, recently the construction cost increase by 20-25% while our budget was budgeted late last year (project was put on hold and only start last month)

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post Aug 29 2011, 12:07 AM

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If you plan to use 3 phase, and all new electrical outlet and minimal looping 35k to me is cheap. Does it include new earthing? TNB application for 3 Phase?

Some other cost you may want to consider

01) Copper / Stainless Steel piping (for centralized water heater).
- Think for your Bungalow may need 7 - 10k to cover upper and lower floor
02) Roof tiles also increase a lot, so need to add more buffer
03) CCTV, and Alarm wiring
04) Toilet sink/bowl... This things really very expensive


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post Aug 29 2011, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 29 2011, 12:07 AM)
If you plan to use 3 phase, and all new electrical outlet and minimal looping 35k to me is cheap. Does it include new earthing? TNB application for 3 Phase?

Some other cost you may want to consider

01) Copper / Stainless Steel piping (for centralized water heater).
- Think for your Bungalow may need 7 - 10k to cover upper and lower floor
02) Roof tiles also increase a lot, so need to add more buffer
03) CCTV, and Alarm wiring
04) Toilet sink/bowl... This things really very expensive
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1) we might not use centralized water heater but may consider as per zean suggestion on his facebook
2) roof tiles has been budgeted with huge sum of figure; we are actually hoping to grab some budget from this portion
3) cctc and alarm wiring is not budgeted in the first place. but already get a quotation from ADT securities under the manage service. thus we consider it as opex since its recurring and not capex as one time charge is being absorb on monthly commitment fees.
4) yeap, just had few tours yesterday and had a headache. plan to tour at zean's showroom this coming sat.

hope that overall construction + wiring + plumbing toilet furnishing + kitchen furnishing does not exceed our target.

hall and room furnishing is not budgeted since each on of us need to fork out our own money to furnish our room
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How can you figure running so high? Is not the material been lockdown by the contractor, or you guys will purchased and they provide labour?
But to build the whole house it easily take up more them 500K. Just imaging a extention of front car pourche and Back kitchen (2 floor) it easily up to 100K...

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post Aug 29 2011, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Aug 29 2011, 12:26 AM)
How can you figure running so high? Is not the material been lockdown by the contractor, or you guys will purchased and they provide labour?
But to build the whole house it easily take up more them 500K. Just imaging a extention of front car pourche and Back kitchen (2 floor) it easily up to 100K...
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as mentioned earlier, the initial budget is based on late last year pricing and not based on 3 layered wall. Somehow the project was put on hold and only kick start about a month back and we had an price increase on material + the changes of 3 layered wall..

We actually use the same contractor whom did our front car pourche and extension of masterbedroom for double story house in TTDI, 4 years back which only cost us about 35K for material and 20K labor.If we didnt go with this contractor, other contractor did quoted us close to 1 mil for construction only.

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post Aug 29 2011, 01:16 AM

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A house of that size will take more than 1 mil to complete. If your sister is an architect, she should know.

Unique bungalow will take cost about rm200-300/sqft. Your house looks like 5000sqft++. And that is structure cost only.

Interior furnishing expect to spend rm50-100/sqft more. Kitchen, wardrobe, sofa, bed etc...

Good luck trying to keep your budget down. Many ppl here can tell you where you can save a bit but my advise is - you are building a bungalow. Furnish it like one.



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post Aug 29 2011, 08:27 AM

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I am certain your sister has the right contacts and arrangements from the beginning for such scale of project. I am surprised you have to resort to looking for help from an online forum.

We could help out with furnishing, if I take it correctly you're refering to carpentry works.
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post Aug 29 2011, 08:46 AM

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hi nick,

she do have her contact but they quoted from range of 35K to a whopping 60K.

im accounted for the budgeting thus im looking for more options, not to say she didnt use her contacts; she did but still expensive. I wont release the budget unless im trully satisfied with my own search.


the house build up area is around 6300 sqf. with the following area

2 living halls
7 rooms
1 library
wet + dry kitchen
1 store
5 bathroom

the cheapest quotation we received have the following item

living hall - 3 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan & lighting & aircond
room - 2 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan, lighting & aircond
library - 2 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and aircond
dry kitchen - 5 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
wet kitchen - 3 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and fan
store - 1 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
bathroom - wiring for lighting and 3x1 nos water heater plug

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post Aug 29 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(RS232C @ Aug 29 2011, 12:32 AM)
as mentioned earlier, the initial budget is based on late last year pricing and not based on 3 layered wall. Somehow the project was put on hold and only kick start about a month back and we had an price increase on material + the changes of 3 layered wall..

We actually use the same contractor whom did our front car pourche and extension of masterbedroom for double story house in TTDI, 4 years back which only cost us about 35K for material and 20K labor.If we didnt go with this contractor, other contractor did quoted us close to 1 mil for construction only.
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Why change to 3 layered wall ?? Btw, the project looks awesome.
Money issue is very sensitive especially among so many members. Better get all the cost confirmed.
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post Aug 29 2011, 09:41 AM

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I'm abit doubtful with your sister PM skill..

RM700k include what item? Based on your photo, you should have finalized your roof design c/w shop drawing for Approval..

For all Mechanical works, should us piping should have proceeded as per design.. How come you still looking for WC or any other fitting..

For electrical works, u need to finalize your contractor ASAP as the brickworks is moving.. Does your project have a M&E consultant?

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QUOTE(RS232C @ Aug 29 2011, 08:46 AM)

the cheapest quotation we received have the following item

living hall - 3 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan & lighting & aircond
room - 2 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan, lighting & aircond
library - 2 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and aircond
dry kitchen -  5 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
wet kitchen - 3 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and fan
store - 1 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
bathroom - wiring for lighting and 3x1 nos water heater plug
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This look too few for a bungalow. And how many looping are we talking? I'll suggest to have two DB box.. One for Ground, another for first floor. Depend on your room size, you may need 2 for a typical 100sqft room, to maybe 4 for larger and longer wall. How about parking porch? you need to have power socket also.

sl2007 is right, your M&E should have been finalized, looking at the architect you should be able to design number of wall socket, and estimate lighting.

For such a big house, is better to run centralized water heater.

BTW, water heater mixer is not cheap. Around 500 - 1k for a good mixer.
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post Aug 29 2011, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(sl2007 @ Aug 29 2011, 09:41 AM)
I'm abit doubtful with your sister PM skill..

RM700k include what item? Based on your photo, you should have finalized your roof design c/w shop drawing for Approval..

For all Mechanical works, should us piping should have proceeded as per design.. How come you still looking for WC or any other fitting..

For electrical works, u need to finalize your contractor ASAP as the brickworks is moving.. Does your project have a M&E consultant?
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I only know the surface of the detailing works. She gave me the quotation to release the budget however i decline to release it. it just that i dont like the wiring contractor all 3 of them and i would like to open my options open as of now, my dateline to get few other quotation is 2nd week of September.

Construction will stop for almost 2 weeks as all workers going back for raya. thus im taking this opportunity to seek for one. else we will proceed with the one in hand and cant cut the cost for wiring and have to cut from other section.


QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 29 2011, 10:12 AM)
This look too few for a bungalow. And how many looping are we talking? I'll suggest to have two DB box.. One for Ground, another for first floor. Depend on your room size, you may need 2 for a typical 100sqft room, to maybe 4 for larger and longer wall. How about parking porch? you need to have power socket also.

sl2007 is right, your M&E should have been finalized, looking at the architect  you should be able to design number of wall socket, and estimate lighting.

For such a big house, is better to run centralized water heater.

BTW, water heater mixer is not cheap. Around 500 - 1k for a good mixer.
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the one i listed is the one comes under RM35K quote. the other 60K quote have bunch of other listing including unnecessary 6 nos commando plug located outside the house (couple each location)



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QUOTE(RS232C @ Aug 29 2011, 08:46 AM)
hi nick,

she do have her contact but they quoted from range of 35K to a whopping 60K.

im accounted for the budgeting thus im looking for more options, not to say she didnt use her contacts;  she did but still expensive. I wont release the budget unless im trully satisfied with my own search.
the house build up area is around 6300 sqf. with the following area

2 living halls
7 rooms
1 library
wet + dry kitchen
1 store
5 bathroom

the cheapest quotation we received have the following item

living hall - 3 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan & lighting & aircond
room - 2 nos standard plug each + wiring for fan, lighting & aircond
library - 2 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and aircond
dry kitchen -  5 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
wet kitchen - 3 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting and fan
store - 1 nos standard plug + wiring for lighting
bathroom - wiring for lighting and 3x1 nos water heater plug
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6300sqft trying to do under rm1 mil... Good luck. rclxub.gif

Anyway your electrical is severely under design. In the living room, for example, you need plugs for tv, Astro, DVD, amp, sub, etc and these are only at the tv area (I would recommend at least 5x13A points there) that about the rest of the living? Stand lamps, mosquito coil sweat.gif , all sorts of charger, vacuum cleaner, etc. Better to have over design the electrical than to overload it later. You already spent so much on the house and this is not the place to save. Save it on cheaper finishes. Thing that can easily be upgraded later. Electrical is very messy to upgrade later.

Again remember that you are building a bungalow. Furnish it as one. Don't use instant hot water. Use the tank type. Think some forumers confuse it with centralize water heater. Tank type is the one where there is a tank boiler in the ceiling of every bath. I recommend to use individual tanks for each bath unless they are adjacent to each other. They cost similar to a normal instant water heater but you need to add extra plumbing and mixers. Don't use centralize water heater cause you will be heating water that you not using. Small tanks will just heat water that you want to use

talk to your sister. If she has any experience then she will know where to save and where to spend (the true value of a good consultant) and not just make fancy over design houses. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Bishop @ Aug 29 2011, 11:43 AM)
Don't use instant hot water. Use the tank type. Think some forumers confuse it with centralize water heater. Tank type is the one where there is a tank boiler in the ceiling of every bath. I recommend to use individual tanks for each bath unless they are adjacent to each other. They cost similar to a normal instant water heater but you need to add extra plumbing and mixers. Don't use centralize water heater cause you will be heating water that you not using. Small tanks will just heat water that you want to use

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use solar heater better ... go green use the sun that is free tongue.gif
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QUOTE(RS232C @ Aug 29 2011, 10:39 AM)
Construction will stop for almost 2 weeks as all workers going back for raya. thus im taking this opportunity to seek for one. else we will proceed with the one in hand and cant cut the cost for wiring and have to cut from other section.
the one i listed is the one comes under RM35K quote. the other 60K quote have bunch of other listing including unnecessary 6 nos commando plug located outside the house (couple each location)
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Do the out door plugs. Especially since your house is so big. You never know when you will need to use it. Think when you have garden BBQ and gathering, then at least you have power for your lightings and fan blush.gif

Get it right the first time. It will be worth it in the long run.


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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Aug 29 2011, 11:49 AM)
use solar heater better ... go green use the sun that is free tongue.gif
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Don't use solar heater for a house this large. Efficiency rate very low and the extra plumbing will cost a bomb.

Solar heater don't really work in country like ours. Not enough sun. Don't get confused with hot and sun. Here in Malaysia, especially KV, we don't get direct sun. Too much clouds and haze blink.gif solar heaters are good when you have clear blue skies. We don't have that here so your solar heaters are running on their electrical heaters more than solar rclxub.gif don't get conned by all the marketing. Understand the products. thumbup.gif

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post Aug 29 2011, 12:02 PM

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thanks bishop for the heads up on heating, zean did highlight bout this earlier and im actually looking into one of his solution (from his FB).

as for outside plug, Well 2 nos might be appropriate but not until 6, plus we do have 3

On the other hand, our 1 acre land do have 3 light pole just beside our grandparents house build 6-7 years back.

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