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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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post Sep 5 2013, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:04 PM)
Haha, degree is meant for asian, that's wat Ozzie think. Asian are the cash cow. I heard uni fees now hit 22k/annum.
Ozzie don't really need degree holder, just take a course in TAFE. Hair dresser or watever bluecollar jobs will earn u 6 figures annually.
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22k? So cheap? My masters edi 35k a year lol UNSW. Even my IADP and IWCF joint cert costs 3k AUD for 5 days.

But it is my view that White Australians with a degree will be far better than an equivalent Asian migrant, simply because;

1) They're very passionate about what they do
2) They're very meticulous career planners
3) They're very focused on keeping their foundation

They don't go to uni if they aren't interested. Us Asians, interested or not, go to uni, churn out shit grads, forget all our basics.

Plus I'm both Uni and TAFE trained. If you ask me, professionally, TAFE is better than uni. It is a lot more useful and gets to the point. When I went to Uni, the best students were electricians who already did TAFE and their apprenticeships.
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post Sep 5 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(jtsl9 @ Sep 5 2013, 04:08 PM)
Tuition fee prices increase by 10-15% every year. When i did my master in 2008, it only cost me about AUD22K per year.
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Depends on uni and generally what subject matter. But most top tier universities charge around 33 to 35k a year for international students.

I generally pay extra per year due to the distance learning thing and need for add on courses. My only consolation is that I get HECS.

QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 5 2013, 04:31 PM)
All uni here is a blood sucker...asian student is their cash cow.
Local newspaper reported that Chinese student who their parents bought a penthouse in sydney at the price of AUD17million in prime area for their kids to live and party around
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If I had parents that rich I'd effin quit my job and lounge at home haha!
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post Sep 6 2013, 02:19 PM

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VOTE KAP LOL!

But either way, who ever I vote for, there are plus points for me.
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post Sep 7 2013, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 6 2013, 10:35 PM)
I received a CD from a party called Palmer United Party. Crazy bump. I know he's a billionaire but the CD really making him stupid
Wasted so much money....who cares?
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I actually preferenced the Palmer United Party above the Greens this morning. Say no to minority government!

Labor, Lib and KAP took my top 3.

Plus 99 percent of the idiots running for senate tak pernah dengar pun....
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post Sep 7 2013, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Sep 7 2013, 07:09 AM)
yeah, some minority party just wanna try a slice of meat here.
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True. But either way I have done my duty.

Now that's done I can prepare for footie in the afternoon and badminton at night.

Anyways, Immigration is going to reindex the visa prices soon but I hear that 457 visas might come back into vogue under the liberals.
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post Sep 7 2013, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Sep 7 2013, 06:57 PM)
Hi Guys,

I have some doubts wish to clarify. Some of you here have mentioned that your PR will be expiring soon. Why is that? Is there a time limit to holding PR? I'm little clueless!

(Sorry, because i have not been to the DIAC site yet till i finish my studies before starting the PR application  process)

Second query - I wish to pursue postgraduate studies in the future. Would it help me getting PR quickly if i embark on a Long Distance studies from one of the Australian University?

or Would getting an Australian postgraduate degree, help me better in getting a job sooner in Australia in the future?

or Is it ok if i have Postgraduate Degree from any university in the world including our Malaysia, that it would help me to get job/PR quickly?

Englighten me as i'm curious to know whether doing postgraduate studies would help me in anyway in my quest to migrate.

Thank you.
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There is a time limit for a PR. 5 years to be exact. Within those 5 years you must spend a minimum of 2 in Australia.

No, long distance studies do not count towards migration points. Unless you're doing a PhD as a post grad, you will not receive extra points for post graduate qualifications as outlined in the 2011 amendments to the GSM program.

No. Your qualifications are generally secondary to your immigration status when it comes to hiring, unless you are a special talent with a lot of working experience or research potential. Generally Aussies do not look at postgrad quals, only Universities and academia do so. Australia does not have a research orientated workforce.

Postgrad quals used to be a ticket to more points under the now replaced 885 and 886 visa stream. These categories have since been withdrawn. But remember regardless of your post grad qualifications, if your degree and nominated occupation isn't under the SOL list, you have no chance of getting a resident visa. Thus it would be best to think about what you wish to major in.
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post Sep 8 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Sep 8 2013, 11:03 AM)
Thank you for the reply, Empire.

When you say that one must spend a min of 2 years in Aussie, does one must live and work here for 2 years? Can one just come to Aussie for a holiday and then go back to Malaysia and try to look for a Aussie job from Malaysia via online recruitment websites?

So i must look into SOL list and find out whether my ACCA and accounting working experiences are listed in there?

Is resident visa means PR?

Because i'm studying ACCA now, is it advisable to study too CPA or CA? Does this matter?

Thanks again, Empire.
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Yes, you must be resident on Australian soil for a minimum of 2 years out of 5 from the date of issue. 2 years is a pretty long holiday. No you do not need to work, you can duduk umah for all they care, but of course, best to work lah laugh.gif

99 percent of Australian businesses WILL NOT hire you even if you have a PR without an Australian address. Needless to say it is because Australia is a big country and not all employers will want to either pay you for relocation or wait for you to relocate. If you are a fresh grad, fly here first and set up before looking for a job.

Also when applying for PR, your Malaysian experience is worth less than equivalent Australian experience, thus you must judge the correct amount of points necessary to be eligible for the visa.

Resident visa means PR generally.

ACCA should be recognized but people here mostly look for CPA or ICAA. Above all, do not put all your hopes on migrating to 1 country. Migration controls here change very rapidly and with the right wing Liberal Party in power, they're more than likely to heavily cap migration.

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post Sep 8 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Sep 8 2013, 01:00 PM)
Also when applying for PR, your Malaysian experience is worth less than equivalent Australian experience, thus you must judge the correct amount of points necessary to be eligible for the visa.


What do you mean by "must judge the correct amount of points?"

Ok say i graduate ACCA but not yet an ACCA member, dont have PR yet, can i come on a tourist visa and get any temporary job just for experience sake and then once tourist visa expires, go back Malaysia and then apply for PR?

I know i sound ridiculous ..... but is there any possibility of working any job without having a PR first?

do not put all your hopes on migrating to 1 country.

Do you mean trying to migrate to Australia only is not a good idea? I'm trying to find out ways to leave Malaysia. Is there any other countries that i should look into then?

Thanks Empire. I'm just trying to understand about the possibility of migrating to a different country as i'm not happy living here. So i am asking quite a lot of questions.
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Your eligibility for PR is determined by a point system. If you don't get enough points, you don't get an invitation to apply visa. Simple as that.

Points wise;
If you have 1 year of experience working as an accountant in Australia you get 5 points. To get those same 5 points by working in Malaysia, you need 3 years of work experience.

No, you cannot work on a tourist visa. If you are caught, your passport and name will be blacklisted forever in the immigration database and you will never be allowed to attain permanent resident status. You may work provided you have a working visa subclass 457 where an employer sponsors you or a recognized graduate visa (Only graduates of UM and UITM are recognized by the Australian government)

More on the points test; I'll assume you're 25 and older, and can score a band 8 on the IELTS test.

Age - 30 points
Language - 20 points

You're still short by 10 points of the 60 required to migrate.

In all honesty the shitty global economy has closed most doors for migration. Canada's FSW program has been shelved and is limited now (no accountants). UK's Tier 2 is discontinued. New Zealand's SMC requires you have professional experience.

I'd say try Germany if you're blue card eligible.

Malaysia isn't too bad. Even now I still look for jobs to go back. But it seems I've worked myself into a niche industry.

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post Sep 9 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Sep 9 2013, 12:11 PM)
Employer sponsor -  do u mean that i can try to apply for a job in Oz say from a recruitment website like www.Monster.au eventhough no PR and try my luck and see whether i get them to sponsor me?

recognized graduate visa (Only graduates of UM and UITM are recognized by the Australian government)  - so does this mean if i do Master study say in UM ( i think UITM only allows Bumiputera) , i can get a Graduate Visa from Oz?

How come only these 2 instituitions OZ recognised? I dont understand! So i get the message that if i do any australian uni master's or british uni master study from any of our local uni like Help/Segi/Kasturi ---- i wont get graduate visa from OZ govt!!! Gosh!! That's brutal!

Empire - really sorry man i bug u. I know end of the day PR is what i must aim for.

Thanks man.
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No employer will sponsor you given your current situation. I'm 99.9999 percent sure of that. Mind you there are a million and 1 Indian graduates already in Australia with PRs and working at 7-11. Why would they choose you?

Actually I recall that the recognized graduate visa only applies to Engineering students. I don't make the rules lol. If they recognize only those 2 unis, what to do? I think famous kuda in this forum Meruchan tried to apply for onshore PR, she was a graduate of QUT with a Masters of Accounting, but end up had to go back because no work and she didn't want to be a waiter for the rest of her life.

Kesian her. She seemed pretty well settled here.

My suggestion is that you aim for;
1) SkillSelect PR invitation
2) Be in the skilled workforce for 5 years for the extra 10 points.
3) Aim for an IELTS Score of 8

If you start now, you'll get your PR visa in about 6 years.

If you want the faster way well, you'll need about 60k AUD.
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post Sep 10 2013, 04:45 AM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Sep 9 2013, 08:53 PM)
Hi bro, is it still a recession for the mining industry in AUS atm?
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We'll see after the taxes have been repealed. But the reality is that our industry depends greatly upon commodity prices.

Hiring has stopped and now most are only taking in experienced people.


QUOTE(mik@ @ Sep 9 2013, 09:20 PM)
Referring to the bold part, does it have to be of the same profession? I've recently changed role for a little over a year now. My current and previous jobs are on the SOL/CSOL (can't recall now).

Btw, is it true about meruchan? I thought she just wanted to come back to MY after finishing her studies.
so 489 is only valid for 2years and work in regional areas. What's the definition of regional area?  hmm.gif
Btw, how did your IELTS go?
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Yes. It has to be of the nominated profession. Eg; Your nominated profession is accountant, only your years working as an accountant are counted.

The definition of regional area is set by each of the states in their State Migration Plans. But going regional isn't too bad. As it nearly all my work is regional based. Plus lower cost of living helps a lot.
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post Sep 22 2013, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Sep 16 2013, 01:38 PM)
For centerlink assistance for children, how do I determine eligibility? Just based on income or does it need to include assets?
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Yes. There is an assets test as well for most forms of assistance.
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post Sep 27 2013, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(xsaintx @ Sep 26 2013, 09:38 PM)
Yes I do, am most worried about this step tbh, but agent said Uk degree shouldn't have any problems.
So if I only get ngam ngam 60points it will take longer?
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Depending on your assessing authority it may take a month or two. Engineers Australia is pretty fast with a turn around time of 21 working days. But it really depends on the quality of the documentation you provide as well. Most will assess pretty quickly.

Also if you only get 60 points, anyone with more points will be awarded the invitation first. Depending on your occupation which might or might not have a large cap this can affect things.

If you ask me, screw the agent. DIY with up to date information from Immi itself.
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post Nov 3 2013, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(freewisefly @ Oct 31 2013, 04:05 PM)
Sorry Bro, I just realised after posted my question. Why that happened? I was too excited and I tot it was the last message you posted. Maybe I felt you are angry on this or I might be wrong. Take it easy, bro.
Of course I know the rate it is lower for apprenticeship, and 15/hr was 5 years ago rate and secondly there are shortage of skill workers. I thought there will be a slight increment as inflation go up. Seriously keen in this, but do need further details. Do we need to engage with a training school for that? Accommodation provided?
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It's an apprenticeship. You're lucky you aren't paid 10 bucks and told to dig a random hole in the hot sun for asking the boss too many questions laugh.gif

Usually by engaging you as an apprentice;

1. Living costs aren't included (You may not apply for govt aid as you aren't a citizen)
2. Your TAFE training school by law must be paid for by the employer and they must release you for block training
3. You are everyone's b****. Now go dig a hole. While you're at it, wash the car.
4. Usually you do a 1/4 thing, 3 months a year on TAFE, 9 months of work.
5. Once you're done you get a CERT III but not before you do your final exam called CAPSTONE.
6. 2 years to finish an apprenticeship is a bit rich laugh.gif
7. An apprenticeship is a contract enforced by law. You can't just break it if you behsong.

My advice;

1. If you can tahan. It is worth it. After you get your cert. Fark off and apply for PR under SOL.
2. You might want to do what is called a "Dual trade". Negotiate with your boss for this. eg; Bricklaying + Masonry
3. You can ask for a payrise after 6 months or something as a good will thing, but don't expect it



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post Nov 8 2013, 03:18 PM

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Wah got argument until mother father salary geez tongue.gif

The reality is often more complex than most people figure I feel. Not everyone has the right set of skills, resources or personal circumstance to move and start anew. And I say, when in doubt, think hard.
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post Nov 11 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 10 2013, 10:35 PM)
Or you rather pay lower tax with lots of crime?
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As long as I get to keep a handgun on me that isn't an issue. laugh.gif
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post Nov 13 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(rickrick @ Nov 13 2013, 12:36 PM)
hell loads of crime in Perth, it all depend on area and suburbs.
I've seen people get stabbed and died in front of me in rockingham area
this is where all the drunks and 7 year old kids are running around at the middle of the night ( 3am )
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The mining boom has brought its fair share of issues to Perth by widening the gap between rich and poor.

Cost of living there is insane at best. Worst of all as with all booms, it will go down and in that case, crime will skyrocket.
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post Nov 16 2013, 10:29 AM

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Anyone here trying for the latest round of QGC/Origin/Santos/CSG contrator jobs?

Industry is gearing up for a second go. Plus it is always nice to have a replacement for my scope in case I move as it keeps everyone on speaking terms. It's a small world here, best to be nice.

Plus it's always good to get to know people who might join the industry.

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post Dec 8 2013, 09:02 PM

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Going bek to KL soon. Who wan meet up?
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post Dec 9 2013, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(ravi6662 @ Dec 9 2013, 09:52 AM)
earning aud$4.5k
60k a year

rent, 1k/month
car = 4.5k cash

all other stuff cheap..

in proportion to what u make..
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You forgot taxes and medicare levy.

Rent 1.6k a month for a small house is the average.

60k is fresh grad territory.
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:10 AM

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Going back to KL soon. Now just waiting for a company bus to get me out of here after my swing and take me to the airport.

If anyone wants their documents certified for any Australian visa applications, I'll be back on 30th and also give general advice in person if required.

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