I still have not got an offer from Oz yet

Just to share my reson to try out australia;

1. Children's education & future : I can save alot on that. - If you have a cushy job in M'sia (i.e. >RM8k) and you are not getting at least AUD5k, then i really suggest you rethink that strategy. You can save more with yr RM8k and afford an education for yr kid. Besides, there is no telling if yr kids might want to go to USA or UK to study

2. Human rights: Its obvious as the people's mentality there is diff eg. U can return things u bought but unhappy without questioning, there sales mean sales unlike here some people sell 2nd hand stuff more than new( check out mudah) - More and more stores in Aus are revoking this right, as many "asians" are abusing it, exchanging it ever other week. Call it "spoil market" by asians

3. Higher salary. - Higher taxes too.

4. Cost of living: eg Rm15k/month here = bungalow about 1.5mil min Camry about 170k. Aud15k/month bungalow 650k, camry less than 30k. etc..-strangely, it is very difficult to earn A$15k per month unless you are very specialised or business people. Most people earn <A$10k on average.

No offense, I love Malaysia but somehow dont feel welcome anymore when read newspaper daily..

The bottom line is, if you are really good at what you're doing, and those skills are in demand, then it will be relatively easy for you to survive in Australia, for there will be tough competition from other highly skilled, local or international workers.
Wouldn't it be tougher to survive instead? Since there is tough competition from other highly skilled local or international workers, some willing to work for less?

Having said that, there are a few aspects that are way better than in Malaysia:
- education: rest assured, your children will be getting quality education and better access to world-leading universities.
Yes better education i agree. But I find that 2nd generation Australian immigrant are rather lazy unlike the first generation. Maybe it's because of the laid back culture. I don't like my kids to be lazy or laid back like the aussies

- safety: it is much much safer to walk on the streets here at night (of course there are still places one should avoid) than in many major cities in Malaysia. Unlike Malaysia, police actually respond to calls and protect the people.
Generally agree. However there are also very dangerous place for anyone, let alone asians to be walking in the night

- people's mentality: in large cities, people are generally more 'civilised' in manner. The younger generations actually abhor racial prejudice, a problem still rampant among many Malaysians. Racial harmony is way better than Malaysia anyday.
This one disagree. They don't do racial discrimination outright i.e. in your face but they do it subtlely like rejecting CV with any form of asian names, asian being overlooked for promotion, etc.
- equality: No more discrimination from your own government, no more second-class citizen treatment. If you have PR then you basically get the same rights as the Australians.
PR = No Vote. The gov don't discriminate like Malaysia do agaisnt their own citizen, but they are slowly taking away benefits for PR like subsidised housing and education. PR pays more than citizen although less than foreigner

Skills, I dun see the competition any tougher than what we are already facing here in MY. I think its generally the same, as long as u r good, they will take u.

Education, It really depends what are you looking for. Kids from government schoold in MY are laid back as well, unlike kids from chinese schools. At least the Aus government doesnn't travel back n forth on the question to teach maths in english malay or so. This, i have a feeling that they are treating this prob like a small kid, this minute this, another minute that. My kids would be studying about world history, instead of manipulated malaysia history.

Safety, Even the safest cities would have notorious and dodgy places I'm sure, but u can just compare their police service against ours. I don't think i need to further elaborate.

people's mentality, Again, dun we get discriminate the same way here in MY? Point is, u get discriminate in both countries. By stating in ur IC, Non Bumiputera race, is already discrimination. Whats the difference being a PR in Aus? Do u get treated any better in MY compare to Aus? Try applying for jobs in Bumiputera companies, ur CV will get rejected the same way as in Aus.

Equality, Don't the bumiputeras get to buy houses at a cheaper rate? Don't they get to buy special bonds that offer higher interest rates? Don't they get government link jobs and projects instead of us? Don't they get government scholarships even though with a much poorer result? Think again.

Point is, we grew up in this country. More or less, our roots are here although many may deny it. Our parents, friends, relatives are all here, it ain't easy separating from them, letting all go and start all over again in a new environment. We would certainly weigh the consequences before making any wrong regretful moves, and that is why this thread was started. We do not know the actual condition in Aus until we experience it ourselves, till then, we can only listen and depend on others to feed us information and imagine the situation in Aus. Its most unfortunate that we resort into consideration of migration which proves that we see no further growth or rather slow growth in our country compare to the others which would hold us back, stifle our career advancement as well.

If given a better option, I can bet no one would abandon their home country for a foreign environment.

The replies given by tester are very true and valid. Those my ex-colleagues who migrated to Australia and are happily settle down there share the same opinion as tester. The fruits will eventually bear if we keep our options open in terms of employment.

T3N5AI, beware of mercury8400. This fella is pouring cold water & he's jealous of people migrating to a better place with greener pastures. Let me elaborate more on the so called 'asian names when looking for job in aus' brought up by mercury. Most Aussies do not know how to pronounce our Asian names particularly Chinese names. If the Asians adopt an English first name in their CV, it would make life easy for the employer to call you. It doesn't matter if the surname is Lee, Wong, Ong, Leong, Yap, Chan etc etc. Here I don't see it's a problem coz most Chinese working in Msia adopt an English name in their work place for whatever reason...glamour, I guess. Those who never used an English name while working in Msia, then just address yourself as John Tan, Michael Chan, Andrew Yap, Harry Wong etc once you're in Aust. It's not a problem at all, mercury8400 jz talking rubbish without knowing the facts and it only makes him look like a fool.

There're lots of asians who speak the same English accent like us hold high post in banks, listed companies, mnc in Aust. It's their capabilities that make them succeed in their career & not age, gender or skin colour.
From how you post your comments, it's evidently clear that you're pouring cold water & jealous of people seeking greener pastures in a better place.
Then why are you in Singapore? why don't you stay back in Malaysia?

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I am not promoting Aus & I also agree that Singapore is good for many Malaysians to seek greener pastures. There're lots of Singaporeans migrated to Perth- you should ask them why? Perth has gained a nickname called '2nd Singapore'.

I am still waiting for you reply to Tester comment. Why are you so quite? & or you have lost your face, dare not reply anymore.

Below is your posting taken from other thread:-
"But then again when the economy is bad (like this year) or they don't need you or can find a better replacement than you, its bye-bye to you. There is no job security in SG. Unlike in M'sia where you can go to the labour court and claim unlawful dismissal, in SG no such things."

You should recognise the above comment made by you in other thread. Then why are you still in Singapore? if you feel that Malaysia is better.
You have made yourself a stupid fool by posting stupid comments that have no proof to support.

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I am not promoting Aus & I also agree that Singapore is good for many Malaysians to seek greener pastures. There're lots of Singaporeans migrated to Perth- you should ask them why? Perth has gained a nickname called '2nd Singapore'.

I am still waiting for you reply to Tester comment. Why are you so quite? & or you have lost your face, dare not reply anymore.

Below is your posting taken from other thread:-
"But then again when the economy is bad (like this year) or they don't need you or can find a better replacement than you, its bye-bye to you. There is no job security in SG. Unlike in M'sia where you can go to the labour court and claim unlawful dismissal, in SG no such things."

You should recognise the above comment made by you in other thread. Then why are you still in Singapore? if you feel that Malaysia is better.
You have made yourself a stupid fool by posting stupid comments that have no proof to support.

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I am not promoting Aus & I also agree that Singapore is good for many Malaysians to seek greener pastures. There're lots of Singaporeans migrated to Perth- you should ask them why? Perth has gained a nickname called '2nd Singapore'.

I am still waiting for you reply to Tester comment. Why are you so quite? & or you have lost your face, dare not reply anymore.

Below is your posting taken from other thread:-
"But then again when the economy is bad (like this year) or they don't need you or can find a better replacement than you, its bye-bye to you. There is no job security in SG. Unlike in M'sia where you can go to the labour court and claim unlawful dismissal, in SG no such things."

You should recognise the above comment made by you in other thread. Then why are you still in Singapore? if you feel that Malaysia is better.
You have made yourself a stupid fool by posting stupid comments that have no proof to support.

mercury8400, I have been absent for more than 2 months now. I just saw your reply to my comments. It seems that you cannot accept that whatever you post so far are all stupid post and baseless. I have provided you with the relevant links & comments which are more than sufficient to quash or invalidate all your posts. Go & read thru again all my previous comments & links. If you still come back with all your stupid comments to argue, then either your English is just too poor or you're completely a moron.
On the other hand if you want to upgrade yourself to become a Moron master, then you can post more comments with all the 'colourful' bad words like you always do. I am eagerly waiting for your reply with all your colourful bad words & we can celebrate your new status as Moron King. I wonder with your personality, you're just any small fries in your company with your employer has no confidence at all with your work. That's why this LYN is a right place for you to shout like a complete moron.

Hope I am not too long winded, go & read thru again all my previous posts & links. I have provided sufficient evidence to invalidate all your immature & stupid post.

A good thing to share in the morning 

mercury8400, I have been absent for more than 2 months now. I just saw your reply to my comments. It seems that you cannot accept that whatever you post so far are all stupid post and baseless. I have provided you with the relevant links & comments which are more than sufficient to quash or invalidate all your posts. Go & read thru again all my previous comments & links. If you still come back with all your stupid comments to argue, then either your English is just too poor or you're completely a moron.
On the other hand if you want to upgrade yourself to become a Moron master, then you can post more comments with all the 'colourful' bad words like you always do. I am eagerly waiting for your reply with all your colourful bad words & we can celebrate your new status as Moron King. I wonder with your personality, you're just any small fries in your company with your employer has no confidence at all with your work. That's why this LYN is a right place for you to shout like a complete moron.

Hope I am not too long winded, go & read thru again all my previous posts & links. I have provided sufficient evidence to invalidate all your immature & stupid post.

I agree with Def on this: perhaps you could enlighten us on how you managed to work for 3 years in a very respectable bank without a PR?
What makes you think I don't have one?

I would take your "Australian experience" with a grain of salt before you offer a satisfying explanation.
Somehow you conveniently ignored (even disagreed) with my point that you have to be VERY good to survive decently in Australia, which was the crux of my initial post. If you are more on the mediocre side and has nothing valuable to offer, then of course you are going to struggle.
Why should I be explaining to you, who are so stubborn and absolutely refuse to accept any contradictory view? Like I said, if people like you think Aus is your "kingdom of heaven" and anyone who so much as passes a snide remark constitues a personal attack on you, then be my guest. I speak through my experience for the benefit of others, to give a contrarary view on your "kingdom of heaven"....which my not turn out to be any sort of heaven for some.....

If you are the absolute BEST at what you do, nobody ever considers Australia a viable destination. Better to go to US. I am GOOD ENOUGH to produce results which EXCEEDS the expectation of my bosses. Which is why he reocmmended me to a job in SG.

Almost everyone that I know who wants to get a job in Australia (or NZ) have it very hard.

If you are one of those lucky ones who got a good job with a good pay in Aus then good for you. But the majority isn't like that. My family has migrated over there and almost all of our family friends that we know aren't able to get a decent job.

First of all, you have to be prepared to be downgraded. We know someone who is a top marketing director here and the only job she could find was photostating documents in the council, her whole family is a PR before she started to look for a job. Some of my family friends in Malaysia have their children studying in Aus and want them to get a job there in hopes that they'll get a PR. One of the son calls back and tell the mom that he's working 'like a foreign worker in Malaysia' in Australia - helping to unload trucks at hypermarkets. That was the only job he could find, well at least that's a job. Another friend's daughter has been studying there for years cause she can't find a job, now she's taking another course for early child development or something which will involve lots of practical on-site work, so she hopes she can get a job with this qualification and local experiences in the future.

Just sharing some of the family get-together stories I always come across. 

I'm sorry if I don't have a published journal article to backup these 'stories' since it's all based on experiences. It's up to them to believe it.

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Added on January 17, 2012, 2:33 pm
No offence please. Your comments represent the small minority migrants. For large majority asian migrants regardless which countries, you can refer to my reply posting to annielee on Jan 11 10:38pm

Mate,

I studied in Australia mate. Gday mate. A champion there also mate. Banyak mate mate. lol.

The good thing about australia from 'my' perspective is the 4 seasons. Fresh veges and fruits, cheaper cars. Aussie dollar is powderful. Nice b1t.ches... err beaches. Everything is big... cost also big la...

But taxes are high, safety is a potential issue compared to sg. Same with KL and JB I guess. U are a 2nd class citizen if you don't mix well. Everwhere is so damn far away mate... lol.

Anyway, everywhere is similar in western world. If you are in IT, doctor or some niche fields, maybe you are lucky. Else, have to sapu lantai and work your way up. Connection is also important. Many malaysians play badminton, so, if you play badminton, you can easily mix with some of the malaysians there. I know lots of malaysian kakis there playing badminton.

Life is a journey. If you can adapt, enjoy. If not, just pack and come back. In SG, you should be able to survive easily. Initially I don't like SG attitudes, eventually you will become one of them. lol. Take it easy la...

I have friends who are Malaysian Aussies coming to work in Singapore. Like wise, I have friends who went to Australia to work. 2 times already. Now, working for BHP. Nothing is perfect for sure. It's up to you as to whether you enjoy the life there. Having friends who can click is important.

I did when I was studying there and playing badminton tournaments everywhere. But I chose SG coz its nearer to home and I can eat manyak manyak, huntam badminton with them kuat kuat and suka suka, I can slap some friends face. Apa cam? lol. Relex la.. enjoy life is a journey.

just have one question, is it worth it to left my job in aussie to go back to malaysia ???

im so bored working here, whenever i go back to msia for holiday, i felt like not coming back at all ... yeah the currency is high , but whats the point of having a lot of money when u're not happy ?

+ im at the peak years of my life, and im doing nothing but going to work come back home, sitting in front of pc, surfing doing nothing ... at least in msia people can enjoy mamak during the night, weekend can go jalan2, yeah the money in malaysia not that high, but at least u can enjoy ur life ..

so my question is, is it worth it to leave becoz i know many people would like the opportunity to work in aussie, but i already have it, and now wanna leave, really need your help  ...  (also wanna leave becoz of a gal  )

anyway, is there any brissy here wanna hang out, im so bored out of my mind, been staying here since last may, dont know any malaysians at all .... lets lepak2 after work this week ....

Window shopping in wollies or coles??!!! What is there to window shop hehe    Groceries??!!

Watch the news. Westpac cut job, was it 600? And ANZ let go of 1000? (don't really recall which two banks, but I am pretty sure about the number). Both just happened within last few months ... HSBC is cutting people worldwide. All big 4s are crying about losses if interest rate is cut ... So unless you are the CEO who are still taking in millions of bonuses each year, tell me if it will be easy?

Dear all,
After much anticipation and waiting, i have finally got my PR valid for 5 years to reside in australia. I would like to ask for the people who are there at the moment, which areas have job vacancies/ opportunities at the moment? I am from a finance/banking background, having a degree in accounting/finance and have banking experience. Thanks.

What makes you think so? 

i guess it depends .. i got a job after a month of arriving here..and knew someone did as well...
but i will advise dun expect too much on your 1st job as we dont have local experience here..
once u have that, u can demand...and they will be willing to pay if you are good at what you do..

since u said ur family/friends are deep in pockets, guess they are not in rush to get a perm job... :-)

depends how they "look for job"
if they choosy, looking for certain job that they want and few applications in a month then i would say good luck...

i find it quite funny when u said if they found out that u r 35 they wont hire you...
as that is consider age discrimination..and u should know that union is very strong in Oz..
in my CV, i didnt put age or marital status..and they r not supposed to ask..coz it will be deem as discrimination..

Yeah but the thing is they are not supposed to ask you discriminatory questions in the first place