Thumb up Nemasis. Do you have any fallback plan? If cant get any job, will you continue to stay and find odd jobs or will you return to MY?
Do you hv friends there/Renting a place? What is ur strategy?
I wish you all the best Nemesis

That is the reason why Australia such an expensive country. The minimum wage is too high that the rent and foods are high as well. Also with the strong backup from unions, employee is actually the boss instead of the real boss

Wao, at least you have a job. I have friends that graduated for a year and yet to find a job.

Perth is unfortunately a bad place to be when it comes to the construction industry.  Even in places such as Sydney where things more or less stabilised, companies are still adopting a no-hire strategy and are just in the process of consolidating the various disciplines.  As it stands now, the no-hire strategy is expected to extend into 2014.

Kinda envy that you have PR and able to settle down. I have exactly 2 months left in Australia and I don't want to face the working life in Malaysia.

Fortunately, I save enough money for a house in Malaysia

hi all. i have been fruitless and frustrated searching for jobs here, so i am seriously thinking about joining my sister in australia in search of a better life there. i need some advice from experienced sifu here (:

firstly, what is the procedure in preparation to work in australia? i have checked via many 'free' assesments and it would seem i qualify for a visa. would i need a job offer already, or can i apply first, go and look for a job later? if the latter, do i need to go immediately upon approval of visa (assuming approved), or can i apply now and go at a later date?

please do share your experiences... hopefully can have a brighter future there.

You need to secure a job then the com will apply a work visa for you. But this is highly unlikely unless you are very very senior or have very very niche skills that cannot be filled by australians or the hordes of pr.

If you have trouble finding jobs in msia, then your chances of finding job is australia is even less even with a pr let alone with none. Unless you have niche skills.

What I can see here is Aussies are indeed lazy but they are smart when there are opportunities. No doubt Asians are kinda bit disadvantaged but hey, I know you will do the same in Malaysia too (eg. give chances to local than foreigners like bangla,indon,etc).

Nowadays, most of the companies don't really care about the race,etc. My friends, who mostly are architects, working in a small company and their bosses actually like to hire Asians because they are capable, can handle stress, fast and efficient whereas local will take their time, like to ban bosses ideas and pretty much stop their works 10 minutes before end of working hour. Even in my working place, 30% of my team from Asia, 40% from local another another 30% from other countries. They only care whether you can perform and contribute. Also, why hire  local when you can pay much lesser to foreigners with same skill?

IMO. cost of living in malaysia and australia is about the same. You earn and spend here then will be fine.  Eg, You earn RM4k per month and the house cost you RM400k. You earn AUD$4k and the house also cost $400k. Each have their owns.
Foods are expensive in Australia compare to Malaysia but most of them cooking from home.Electronics are cheaper if you earn in Australia ($1k for 55" TV compare to RM5k in Malaysia for the same TV). Cars are way cheaper(overrated Honda Civic in Malaysia cost RM110K but Australia only $20k). Travelling to oversea is achievable earlier if you earn in Australia.

$50k of course not enough if you have family but is enough if you just out from university or few years experience. Also, not sure if the mentioned $3k per month for rental is just an example but no way a studio apartment can reach that amount. I can easily rent 3 br apartments in the Melbourne city with $3k.
I am now living in 1 bedroom apartment(not studio) that cost me $1.5k per month and only 10 minutes walk to my working place in the city. $150 for electricity(every 3 months), $80 for internet, $40 for water(every 3 months), and $30 for phone bill. Malaysia have cheaper rent but exp for cars,electronics,etc and work out both countries are actually almost the same.

But the most important thing is Australian residents(PR and citizen) can get equal benefits like medicare, first home buyer redemption,etc and I only can get those in Malaysia if I am a Malay

I could be leaving Australia to Malaysia soon due to my visa issue and I don't even dare to think my situation there. I don't have the power to purchase electronics frequently, can't get my dream car, stuck on the jam everyday and have to save many months of salary just for travel. The only good thing is I probably can get a house with my savings here

Its a substandard job becuase of its (lack of) career opportunities.
Yes it pays higher at 25/hr but what are your chances of being promoted?
Some do, most don't.
Sure you heard sucess stories (like those who went on to open their own cleaning services) and I'm not saying there isn't any.
But for every 1 that suceeds, thousands of others fail. The question is do you want to gamble your future?
If you're working as a cleaner in Aus there is no turning back. You can't come back to M'sia and waltz into an executive position with the same pay dollar to dollar.
You are stuck. Dead end.

I mean, those who qualify for a PR are probably degree holders studying on Aus.
If they would to go back to M'sia and work for a bank/MNC i am quite sure they will earn much more than the cleaner in 10 years time.
Of course there are always execeptions but again the question begets "do you want to gamble on your future?"

Don't take up such jobs if you are a uni degree holder.
There are still plenty of oppurtunities back home.
Work in something that adds value to your career in the long term and then if you really want to go back to Aus, it will be much easier.

No point wasting your degree (paid with your parents hard earned money) only to end up being cleaners or supermaket cashiers (no disrespect to those jobs) just eaking out a megre living in a foreign land. You won't get to save much anyway with 25/hr over the long run.

Its easier to suceed back home coz u got home advantage. You know the people, the culture, the pitfalls. Most importantly it is easier to secure a good job if u are a grad from aus.

Your situation is different. I'm talking about fresh grads straight out of uni. 1st they dun have a family. Second you will probably want to see less of your family if you're not bringing in the dough. If you get my drift.

I wanted to but a bit too late for my case. My result will be released this week and I worried about my speaking as I was nervous for no reason that day. EOI invitations were being sent out today and apparently people who have 60 points in IT occupation are not included in this round whereas other occupations are fine. I would assume that DIAC is holding off the IT applications for a moment as it is filling very fast

1. I'm not saying every supervisor in a factory can afford to send their kids overseas. Dun put words in my mouth. I only said i know of one such person.
2. How much do u think a cashier in a supermarket in aus earns? AUD 10k pm? Aud20k pm? Cammon. Of course not.
3. If a cashier pay in aus is that good, why do i see hordes and hordes of australians wanting to get out and go to asia? HK and SG are prime destinations.

All I'm saying dun gamble yr future on a dead end job. And dun believe rumours of high paying cashiers. If any supermarket were to pay that much they will be brankrupt in no time considering how low the margins are on their products.

Sorry but for that person who still in cashier position after 10 years is probably unrealistic. I don't believe one won't get the professional job(in related field) if you keeps looking. It may take 1,2 and even 3 years but 10 years is too long unless you don't have qualification and skill at all.

Since you put it that way, what if one in Malaysia unable to find a decent job after graduate and work as cashier for 10 years?

Career in Malaysia still pretty good considering many developed countries outsourced their jobs to Asia but is just the environment that I don't like. Most importantly is the employees in Malaysia are hard to fight for their working rights whereas Australia have a law and everything must comply with FairWork rules. Eg, being bullied? refer Fairwork. racist and discrimination in work? refer Fairwork. No salary after few months? refer Fairwork. Unfair dismissal? refer Fairwork.

Also, house might be expensive in Australia but at least those people with PR get the first home buyer discount(compare to bumiputra only in Malaysia). They also provide first home saving account for future first home buyer where you can put your savings into high interest account. This is what we call benefits and know where our tax gone to

I also doubt cashiers get paid A20 an hour as well. I used to work part time while studying in an upscale fine dining restaurant in sydney and my pay is only A15 an hour excluding tips. But that is about 8 yrs ago. So i gave a benefit of a doubt.

And if you have the experience and skillset u won't be going to aus or malaysia. Those places just don't pay enough. Try SG, HK or China. Those pay shit loads if you have the right skillset and low taxes.

Let's get back to the fact. Cashier in Australia hardly earn $20 per hours. Period.

Like I said, career in Malaysia is still good but some people prefer a fair and square jobs. Firstly, why Malaysia has a shortage of talents? Because it was caused by the employer and probably the government. Their works are not appreciated and treated like slave. Secondly, people always don't get paid for OT and have to work even on weekend. I am fine working on weekend but at least pay me extra. Thirdly, if you have skill, you can have your good career anywhere including Malaysia and Australia. No such thing as Australia don't appreciate my skill compare to Malaysia because I am "yellow" but it will be the case if you can't speak and write good English. You have to be confident enough to mix with local(learn their jokes, have a Friday outing with them, watch the way they speak,etc)

Anyway, Malaysia still a good country and has a potential to be even better if the people can pick up the pace rather than only think of fast money in incorrect  way(MLM,etc)

A little stress doesn't make you a good person.

I am not saying Australian don't have stress at all but at least they know when to stress and when not to stress. I could be working in SG but to see me settling down there is kinda impossible. The whole island is just a CBD and don't have a space for relax.

You could like the Malaysia working hours(from morning to night) but not me

Umm then its not a country problem its a company problem. I've not encountered any such thing in msia before. Mainly coz i avoid chinaman company at all cost.

It will be better if I can get all 8 where I will get 65 points but kinda doubt it
If I get all 7 then I will have 55 points then I might go for State Nomination for NSW to nominate me(extra 5 points) with System Administrator occupation. I will have to start over again from there but provided I have working experience in one of the famous organisation in Melbourne, I guess I can get the better change for the interview.

I don't think there is any city in Australia that can be enjoyable compare to Melbourne. No offense but Brisbane full of bogans, Sydney is the second Singapore,and  others are boring. Melbourne is well deserved as world's most liveable city.