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moodswingfella
post Mar 23 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Hive @ Mar 23 2012, 03:22 PM)
My current champ im main-ning now is singed at solo top.

One thing i notieced is that, no asians like to play a tank. Everyone wants to play a carry. And u can see that its the same in this forums as well.

Look at the champ picks for most of you guys, all carries lol. Killing really that important ?
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hmm..im newbie and always play carry, but look like im very sux at it doh.gif

would love to try tank. may i get any advise from u guys on what runes/item/masteries/ should I focus when playing tank?

tq in advance
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post Mar 23 2012, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Hive @ Mar 23 2012, 03:22 PM)
My current champ im main-ning now is singed at solo top.

One thing i notieced is that, no asians like to play a tank. Everyone wants to play a carry. And u can see that its the same in this forums as well.

Look at the champ picks for most of you guys, all carries lol. Killing really that important ?
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I think some pages back there are people maining non-carries. Don't think it's fair to generalize everyone to say no one plays tanks. Or supports. My brother is a Soraka freak.

My fav is Leona, which is a tank. 75% win rate in ranked. Do I play her in ranked often? Yes, but only if I duo queue/5v5 premade and I can trust my carries. Because she's limited to 0 CS support, if my carry fails I have no influence on the game.

Otherwise, I usually play solo top carries to get myself out of ELO hell. Carry often and carry hard!


Anyhow, there's no perceived glory in talking about tanks. Gushing on the forums "I went legendary and aced their whole team" sounds a lot more fun than "I tanked hard and went 0-8 but with 20 assists and won the game!".


Added on March 23, 2012, 4:21 pm
QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Mar 23 2012, 03:31 PM)
hmm..im newbie and always play carry, but look like im very sux at it  doh.gif

would love to try tank. may i get any advise from u guys on what runes/item/masteries/ should I focus when playing tank?

tq in advance
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Depends on the tank you are trying. general rule of thumbs is Defensive tree for masteries, flat armor seals and flat MR glyphs.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Mar 23 2012, 04:21 PM
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post Mar 23 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Mar 23 2012, 03:31 PM)
hmm..im newbie and always play carry, but look like im very sux at it  doh.gif

would love to try tank. may i get any advise from u guys on what runes/item/masteries/ should I focus when playing tank?

tq in advance
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depends on the champion, like maokai, morde are different from irellia, renk, gp etc... you really need to try them yourself to suit your gameplay style... which why I like LOL~


Added on March 23, 2012, 5:48 pmanyway, today got sales on Lux, Caitlyn and Sona, both champion and skin are 50% off~ smile.gif

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post Mar 23 2012, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Hive @ Mar 23 2012, 03:22 PM)
My current champ im main-ning now is singed at solo top.

One thing i notieced is that, no asians like to play a tank. Everyone wants to play a carry. And u can see that its the same in this forums as well.

Look at the champ picks for most of you guys, all carries lol. Killing really that important ?
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Csing > Killing for Carry

Killing is more like a bonus gold for carry and increase chances to win the game.

AD carry is boring game la.... last hitting oweiz ahahah

I prefer more roaming style hence I choose Udyr and Nunu for jungler


QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2012, 04:19 PM)
Depends on the tank you are trying. general rule of thumbs is Defensive tree for masteries, flat armor seals and flat MR glyphs.
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For Magic Resist..go for MR glyphs per level as in late game , itemization for MR will less likely to be important than it should be biggrin.gif


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post Mar 23 2012, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(wairai @ Mar 23 2012, 06:15 PM)
For Magic Resist..go for MR glyphs per level as in late game , itemization for MR will less likely to be important than it should be biggrin.gif
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I prefer flat MR glyphs to address the early game issues with most tanks. Some are item dependant to be tanky, and with item priority to be HP or HP/Armor early on, MR is a big weakness in the early stages. Flat MR glyphs address this issue.

Later in the game, I feel that the difference betwen flat MR and MR per lvl at level 18 wouldn't be as significant at 3-4k HP as compared to the early game benefits.
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post Mar 23 2012, 06:34 PM

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If you are planning to be aggresive, flat are much better choice biggrin.gif




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post Mar 23 2012, 07:48 PM

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i found that recently more trolls coming in LOL... doh.gif
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post Mar 23 2012, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Mar 23 2012, 07:48 PM)
i found that recently more trolls coming in LOL... doh.gif
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its becoming more of a habit for players who suck so badly to use trolling as an excuse for their crappy score but in reality,they just cant keep up with the game that they are losing so they claim that they are trolling the game in which i just think that these are really confused individuals....why play a game just for the sake of that
just speaking from experience
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post Mar 23 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Hive @ Mar 23 2012, 03:22 PM)
My current champ im main-ning now is singed at solo top.

One thing i notieced is that, no asians like to play a tank. Everyone wants to play a carry. And u can see that its the same in this forums as well.

Look at the champ picks for most of you guys, all carries lol. Killing really that important ?
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Despite my main being Brand, I actually play a lot more bruiser, jungler and support now. Not a fan of pure tank but has no problem playing the supportive role. One thing I dislike about supportive role is that I can't carry the freaking game, which pissed the f*** off when the carries suck. And yes, I do agree that most like to play carry but I think players are more versatile on the higher ELO range while the carry-only players usually stuck at bottom elo because well...how the F you can win a good team with 5 carries?

QUOTE(Alexdino @ Mar 23 2012, 07:48 PM)
i found that recently more trolls coming in LOL... doh.gif
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I find more trolls on December and January than now...
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post Mar 23 2012, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Goliath764 @ Mar 23 2012, 09:07 PM)
Despite my main being Brand, I actually play a lot more bruiser, jungler and support now. Not a fan of pure tank but has no problem playing the supportive role. One thing I dislike about supportive role is that I can't carry the freaking game, which pissed the f*** off when the carries suck. And yes, I do agree that most like to play carry but I think players are more versatile on the higher ELO range while the carry-only players usually stuck at bottom elo because well...how the F you can win a good team with 5 carries?
I find more trolls on December and January than now...
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even more troll when you are playing on 1.6k abv... lower elo-ers take matches more seriously...
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post Mar 23 2012, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Goliath764 @ Mar 23 2012, 09:07 PM)
Despite my main being Brand, I actually play a lot more bruiser, jungler and support now. Not a fan of pure tank but has no problem playing the supportive role. One thing I dislike about supportive role is that I can't carry the freaking game, which pissed the f*** off when the carries suck. And yes, I do agree that most like to play carry but I think players are more versatile on the higher ELO range while the carry-only players usually stuck at bottom elo because well...how the F you can win a good team with 5 carries?
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i won a game with 3 carries before..
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post Mar 23 2012, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Mar 23 2012, 09:58 PM)
i won a game with 3 carries before..
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ashe mid, corki top, gp jungle, others bot + support = 4 carries~

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post Mar 24 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(jepertine90 @ Mar 23 2012, 09:50 PM)
even more troll when you are playing on 1.6k abv... lower elo-ers take matches more seriously...
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Hmm...no experience on that range yet. doh.gif

QUOTE(Alexdino @ Mar 23 2012, 09:58 PM)
i won a game with 3 carries before..
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Yeah, but you can't expect yourself to win alot with such composition, especially when your opponents ain't bad.

@Hive
Alright, I have to say that not everyone can play tank well, I would rather take a bad carry than a tank that don't initiate, met too many tanks like that nowadays.

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post Mar 24 2012, 06:41 AM

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If you are being full tank (only buff armor + HP) most pretty decent player will ignore you since this build for champs doesn't really dish dmg consistently except for certain champs that have sustain or pretty large CC skill

Either way even you pick tanky champs , you still need to dish out considerable amount of dmg for right target aka Carry or weak Supporter

since Supporter also buy HP item or HoG , Carry will be the usual target for tanky DPS champs
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QUOTE(Alexdino @ Mar 23 2012, 09:58 PM)
i won a game with 3 carries before..
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I think we cannot generalize one game to the masses. I've seen teams with 5 carries somehow win, but until that winning consistency is established in competitive play, it won't become part of the meta.

QUOTE(wairai @ Mar 24 2012, 06:41 AM)
If you are being full tank (only buff armor + HP) most pretty decent player will ignore you since this build for champs doesn't really dish dmg consistently except for certain champs that have sustain or pretty large CC skill

Either way even you pick tanky champs , you still need to dish out considerable amount of dmg for right target aka Carry or weak Supporter

since Supporter also buy HP item or HoG , Carry will be the usual target for tanky DPS champs
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I think only champs with a threat level (Amumu's Despair) or CC (Leona) has the option of building full tank. So the term 'full tank' is starting to become a thing of the past, as tanks are expected to retain a threat level if ignored. Tanks without a threat level will often fall off the radar, for example Sejuani once she uses her ultimate. Then she is no longer a threat, and has nothing to make enemies focus her instead of allies. More successful tanks like Nautilus and Rammus can sustain their threat level throughout the fight, either you focus him down or you live with the fact he's going to CC you every couple of seconds.
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QUOTE(wairai @ Mar 24 2012, 06:41 AM)
If you are being full tank (only buff armor + HP) most pretty decent player will ignore you since this build for champs doesn't really dish dmg consistently except for certain champs that have sustain or pretty large CC skill

Either way even you pick tanky champs , you still need to dish out considerable amount of dmg for right target aka Carry or weak Supporter

since Supporter also buy HP item or HoG , Carry will be the usual target for tanky DPS champs
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Yeah, they will ignore you but you should still be the first one to get into the scene, for pressure at the very least(and to catch the attention of the enemies because well, it's a champ, of course you will be looking at him) and CC if you can get into range successfully. Like why in the freaking world are you playing tank if you prefer to stick at behind and come in later when you can't do ANYTHING as ppl are ignoring you.

For f***'s sake, these 2 days almost all the tanky one are like that in my team, except when my friend or I am playing a tanky character then the initiation is a little bit okay(not say everytime is right timing, but still, it's better). Those stupid pub tanky just wait there, wait wait wait wait wait, and 1 of these 2 things will happen:

1. Pu**y out too much, never engage, 1 of my team get caught, die, lose war, rinse and repeat, lose map control, defend all the time and lose

2. Other non-tank charge first(sometime me on out-of-position enemy as I know playing defensive for 10000 minutes won't win either), proceed to die, tank come in for nothing, lose war, rinse and repeat, lose map control, defend all the time and lose.
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Tanks that are afraid to die/Care to much of their KDA ratio = Hopeless
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post Mar 24 2012, 04:32 PM

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Most tanky DPS are melee and if the enemy team can kill your carry, basically you are gonna get kite for life and die eventually lol

AoE CC can be nullified with QSS but in SEA I doubt many people what the heck is this LOL

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Mar 23 2012, 10:58 AM)
I agree with this. Irelia 'feels' like a very OP hero in the right hands when you're laning up against her and you don't know what to do. Her weakest phase is in fact levels 1-4 before the sustain and damage from Hiten Style kicks in, but a lot of players let themselves be zoned out by an aggresive Irelia during this phase. It's a lot like playing against Vlad where he heals up the pokes in one creep wave.

Irelia's strength is she doesn't require a good early game to excel later. She can go 0-4 and still end up a terror mid game and I do believe a lot of players have an issue with this. Once she get's her TriForce, she is a threat. And her kit is another area we hear a lot of QQing about. Hiten Style's True Damage allows her to build a full defensive build, and yet be able to deal decent amounts of damage.

On a seperate note, I tried Smartcasting yesterday as I'm practicing my AP mids. Definitely awesome for combo nuke heroes like Ryze, Cass and Veigar. Smartcast FTW.


Added on March 23, 2012, 11:08 am

Whoa, just started LoL and you went straight for Ahri. Who is considered a 'hard' champion to use. Pro!
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Well, Lee Sin is damn OP i think...i just hate him....
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LS is a good pick for those who can land Q and have pretty much skill timing down in his hands biggrin.gif

It's damn hard to use , and its rewards you handsomely if you good at it

Since I get the Dota 2 beta invite, less time for LoL it seems.

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