I never play shen so tak kesah sangat hahaha

Meh I just met someone who play malphite who buy gp10 item but still wanna free farm lane and ksing blue from AP after he buy frozen heart....FH goddammit why u need blue when u got that!!!

At the start of the game Malphite lane bot with me as a Sivir and he just try all the time steal my CS...~_~

Won the game but I feel pissed off........

wait till you see a YI jungling and first item MEJAI. =.=

Is the the right build for poorfag Mundo?

Ninja Tabi
Randuin Omen
Spirit Visage
Zeke's Herald
Wits End

I think it's fine unless he intentionaly does it to troll.

Some people play for leisure, and the 'meta' isn't something that everyone needs to conform to. Honestly, playing a hero where you have to give your lanemate all the CS loses its appeal to the casual gamer.

---

Added on February 24, 2012, 10:36 amNever played him. Is he still viable?


This post has been edited by statikinetic: Feb 24 2012, 10:36 AM

He's great in the new jungle, he clears camps as fast as Udyr/Shyvana if you take W 1st.

I'm still debating between Wits End or FoN

Shen instantly nerfed on SEA.

Mundo is okay
That kind of item good for midgame only though

I'm not trying to conform with meta that much, when our heimer want a blue and ks it...Malphite starting to BM

IDK, but I feel pissed off no matter what

Looking at your build, you're more tanker than attacker so I would say FoN. Not to mention the HP regeneration amd movement speed boost is very nice and compliments Mundo's innate abilities.

Wits End....I only buy it on certain heroes. Like Kayle, part of my tank shredder build. Speaking of Kayle, I have the battleborn skin but I really want Judgement Kayle skin.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Feb 24 2012, 12:26 PM

I used Wits End on my AD Sion sometime if the opponent is heavy on AP.
Zerk Boot
Wriggle's Lantern
Dual Phantom Dancer (for "oh no you dont" moments )
Wits End
Infinity Edge

when enuf moolah sell Wits End for FoN

Wouldn't QSS be a more viable, cheap item for AD Sion? Provides MR and synergizes with the your lifesteal ult as it removes CC. Or maybe Banshees?

Becaue if you get ganked, you won't have the MR of Wits End without first hitting 4 times and have all the spells dumped on you.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Feb 24 2012, 12:47 PM

well most of the time i am too fast for them to chase when got ganked

Just thinking that Wit's End could be replaced for something better for what it does. It gives :

1) Attack Speed. Always good for AD heroes.
2) Magic Damage. Doesn't match Sion's kit. He revolves around lifesteal and rune setup would probably have ArPen, so physical damage would be better.
3) MR. Situational, 4 hits to activate full stacks.

Just my opinion that Wits End can be replaced with another item for better effect, like Black Cleaver. Attack Speed, Damage and Armor Reduction stacks that will increase damage and lifesteal. For MR, replace Zerk Boots with Merc Boots. Tenacity is a nice addition.

Black cleaver is a really bad item. You don't need it unless all of them start stacking heavy armor. Last whisper is sufficient.

Wits end is a great item on the other hand. I get it on a lot of champions like Irelia/Nocturne/ Those who benefit heavily from physical attacks.

It's the other way round. You only need Last Whisper if all of them start stacking heavy armor. Otherwise Black Cleaver does the job better.

Let's look at the figures.

Black Cleaver removes 45 armor.
Last Whisper provides 40% armor penetration, essentially removing 40% of target's armor.

If your target has above 110 armor, then go Last Whisper.
If not, then Black Cleaver is better.

Why 110?
Because 40% of 110 is 44, still less than the 45 armor reduction from Black Cleaver. So 110 and below, Black Cleaver is more effective by removing more armor. Above 110, then Last Whisper is better.


Wits End provides additional 42 magic damage, which in no way benefits physical attackers. Physical attackers rely heavily on abilities like critical strikes and life steal, both of which remain unaffected by the magic damage generated. IMO, Wits End is best used by on-hit builds which deal the majority of their damage in the magic portion of an auto attack, in conjunction with items like Madreds Bloodrazor.

statikinetic, I think EARL meant bruisers, not AD carries.

I do apologize if I'm missing the picture here, but how would it differ?

Different Bruiser from AD Carries

Bruiser tend to be beefy and tanky and aim to be last man standing

AD Carries just need to peel and kill faster

Wits End on Udyr is so good if you got fast enuff since his Turtle + Wits End resist is much better than solid Armor item

I can differentiate bruisers from AD Carries, but I don't understand how bruisers and AD carries would differ from my earlier explanation. Thought the previous discussion was on armor reduction item and the viability of Wits End, maybe Currylaksa can help out?

Yes, agreed on Udyr! Wits Ends is pretty much core on Udyr.

AS Bonus from black cleaver do not justify to buy that Item on a AD Carry moreso on a bruiser

Since its like a Rageblade need to be charge for it to be effective
Last Whisper on the other hand do not need a charge and can be easily effective to be a peeler like MBR

Wits End only need 4 charge and Udyr Tiger or Volibear is easy as hell to proc that

This post has been edited by wairai: Feb 24 2012, 03:24 PM

Great to see a theoratical discussion going on. Wairai, can you explain this portion?

Black Cleaver charges in 3 hits. The main differential between Last Whisper and Black Cleaver should be the amount of armor the target has.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Feb 24 2012, 03:27 PM