I know a few of such people, all of the inherited family business namely hardware, pork and household electrical shop, also insurance money. The foundations laid by their parents in the early days, all they need to do is continue the operation and go through some tough times but at least don't have to start from zero.

It makes all the difference and there is a saying; merry to loaded family and you save 10 years of hardships, of course they may loose everything if mismanage, the best practice is be less aggressive or stingy to preserve the fortune / luck and it is their fate to be born in such family. Often those who build from scratch and achieve some success will claim no such thing as luck or fate.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 29 2011, 12:03 AM

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Bill Gate and Warren Buffet donate out 90+% of their assets. Are they selfish??

They are MORE GENEROUS than most Poor People.

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they are dam rich...d poor can AFFORD to be generous...isnt it an unfair comparison

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Rich people make the rules, wealth can buy all the luxurious things in life because eat, sleep and shit is boring, so, average people spend majority of a lifetime working to enrich the wealthy. Average people is important to the rich, otherwise who will do the dirty jobs? Imagine a rich man telling his workers to be above average and they supposed to quite their job and do something else?

The rich man won't teach his worker how to be above average nor dream to be rich, but want to feel noble and tell it to strangers in a forum / kopitiam / restaurant / bup... loh.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 29 2011, 10:35 PM

[quote=Kasey Brown,Aug 29 2011, 10:45 PM]
Imagine a rich man telling his workers to be above average and they supposed to quite their job and do something else?

The rich man won't teach his worker how to be above average nor dream to be rich, but want to feel noble and tell it to strangers in a forum / kopitiam / restaurant / bup... loh.

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Ok we need to spend a little more time on this.

The rich man DOES need to tell his works to become BETTER than average. Because when they do...

1. They will figure out ways to build machines that do the dirty jobs for them.

2. They'll figure out a way to produce less waste, so there's fewer dirty jobs.

3. They'll figure out ways to increase efficiency, so the dirty jobs get done in less time.

When the workers start acting like their work makes a difference, then their work DOES make a difference!

And once again, everyone wins.

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This positive mentality created corporate giants, still, nothing is as efficient and dirty jobs just got transferred to the less significant average people like cheap labor, if it is that simple, we have a much better world to day than never ending conflicts and I don't agree with such a title, to me it is wrong similar to "stupid people are not smart".

You have generalize average, simple life can earn the amount of wealth to live happy, relaxed, healthy, good quality (lifestyle), satisfactory, & meaningful. I chose the other route and wasted, that is why dreamer101 says those over 40 is too late, why too late? Or did he mean too bad?

Why can't there be a guarantee in career like study and reach PhD based on ability than risk wasted efforts and 20 years of a life time? I never failed to make progress in self improvement but why is there limit in career and hamper by circumstantial luck. How much do you know about luck that became fate to dismiss its influence?

Average people is more than risk takers, young graduates whine not getting jobs or under paid is because they and their parents expect better after many years of investment, tuition fees and efforts to get multi "A"s as publicized every year. Soon, their proud faces are hampered by low value job and no career advancement condition.

Every student hope to acquire a good career after the University and assume they are not among the average, the qualification is part of the risk too if can't benefit from it. They have done the part they can manage but subject to the unknown when seeking jobs, why middle income is sliding into the poor? Because The rich created low wage value. Anyone who come across dreamer101 remember he said Malaysia is doomed in a few years, so we can expect those who read this thread to have done something by then to avoid what he had predicted.

So, you too should go abroad while you can according to dreamer101's rationale, consider yourself lucky loh, me he said too late.
I lost two rounds, 10 years with conventional art material, another 12 years in full computerized work flow, I was 31, wasn't too late back then and computer is expected to be apart of our lives sooner or later, guess it didn't prosper because Malaysian are slow to catch up with computerize business but smart phone gadgets.

dreamer101 said I made a crucial mistake to remain in this doom country in one of his 5 rules, if only I can speak proper English and buy a one way ticket to the USA and manage to pass their immigration, then work illegally. Perhaps my luck would be different or would it? He is insulting not only the average but those who tried and failed, apparently not as smart as him who don't need luck, ever heard of no luck if not bad luck?

How many things can one cater in a few hours personal time a day? I have yet to see any teaching and buddies came to praise him like direct selling already.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 31 2011, 01:59 AM

I have already done that but no luck, is there any book on luck? My average savings is 2.5k a year in the past 10 years and I spent it all in hardware & software, just Photoshop alone cost 2.6k, the rest went through upgrade in conjunction with my improvement and their continuous development. In the process, I created Malaysia's first and last 3D children's story book.
If anyone wish to reach my level, you cannot have a life, spent all your time after work practice and learn. In the past, there are English TV series at night that I learn my English from but not any more, they trashed them all, now you must pay Astro one year to view half year program because the other half is repeats.

From analogue to digital, I wasted 22 years of my life, yes I have made great improvement but now sell household electrical products cum all in one artist, that is the niche no other salesman is as useful as me, damn proud. I thought everyone agree that computer is the way of the future back then especially Malaysia got MSC and saw a special TV ad that says "Malaysia welcome Microsoft" when Bill gates invest into this country. I also heard Najib announce 1.5k 3D related jobs a few years ago, oh, sorry, that one went to Singapore, sigh.

I thought I don't have good luck but this country too suffer the same fate, many production house too have close in the past few years and artists are retrenched, the world too got no luck but come to think of it, Art & Design is just a job and no career in it. That is why former artists open art colleges instead.

So obvious, A & B must be minority, not average choice.

Only the ecological part of Feng Shui is science but the rest are nonsense, such nonsense made into rules and practiced by believers. I say everyone are born dumb and it is living experience that made us smart but some choose to stop learning because efforts is greater than reward. Insurance is invented to provide a sense of security when bad luck strikes and people can live with false sense of security alone.

If you can only save RM1 a day, don't take chances that can risk losing your life savings, past generation did that and some of them leave behind land and property as stepping stone to their children, I have a friend who don't need to buy a house but the majority spend a lifetime paying mortgage, another one had to repurchase his house after a divorce wasted half of the money to his ex wife, he paid off the mortgage fast but ended up wasting even more.

There are plenty of people who don't need coaching to go the extra miles, I can predict a few whiners will come back to this thread in a few years and say thank you, by then "dreamer101" book should be ready. I think I should start writing as I execute strategy too and come open a topic of how everyone can do what I did in any business.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Aug 31 2011, 04:41 PM

Does the sentence sound like downing insurance? People who don't have insurance can live under false hope.

http://smilepls.com/success-story-of-colon...anders-aka-kfc/ - how bout getting 1,009 rejections by the time you're 65
Even if I am guaranteed to succeed at 65, I pass. I have explored my potential and made a difference in ability, I did that to have a better life by age not die famous when old, ask the Prime Minister what is poor in the city, salary below RM3k.

dreamer101 say its too late if over 40 because chances is low and money cannot buy the life what was lost, hence midlife crisis. 40 to 50 can only salvage because even if were to achieve something after 50, there is nothing to look forward in life anymore. I spent all my savings to remain in the business, 2k to 2.5k is not poor but cannot afford anything else when the money are spent on hardware and software, my mother pay for the down-payment of my low cost flat, I only signed up for Astro this year and expect to terminate after 12 months even my broadband service and go online in the shop.

I never said I am poor, you just echo the same encouraging words on everyone, why need to defend dreamer101 with age old MLM archive?

Words is all there is in a forum, every word is accountable otherwise no difference like bad politician who utter nonsense and forget. Go back and read, if not deleted.
You don't have to tell nonsense to be the example, come back when you are 80, don't have to make a fool of yourself.

Why the last few posts are here to boost without opinion? More of such stupid post will only do the opposite.
I am not whining about the past but in order to move forward, I have to find out what went wrong and human factor is the main flaw. I then see the pattern and similarities in manners that has great influence in their business conduct, my biggest mistake is relying on the good deeds of humanity, it is unreliable.

This is your grand entry, powerful loh! Justice League of LowYat make this thread laughable.
If saying "over 40 is too late" is wrong, what about Malaysia is doomed in a few years because oil money will ran out and economy will collapse?
dreamer101 provided the nails and you hammer it to his head justice is served.

@kelvin_tan,
You have only a few years before the economy collapse, so are you prepare to go abroad?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 1 2011, 02:18 AM

A topic like this encompasses matters of life, unfortunately, you circled yourself in the science of psychology over physique but the social status(RICH) that a 50 year old just cannot relive the life like 30 no matter how fit and mentally young or RICH. Such as cannot apply for house loan or sex is not as good as it feels like during the good young days, if impotent haven't catch up or you going to say stamina with fitness can prolong until 80...

You just want to showoff your area of expertise that boost your ego, you are not mature enough to debate within the context of the topic, talk science in a layman forum and claim we don't have the ability to understand, predict the economy from a non economist position, declare oneself as teacher without credible qualification, say I am rich but don't have to proof it bla bla bla... say other's are Bunch of BS like yours is any different.

There is a common phrase for this kind of BS; Know a bit want to act like representative.

Wait forgot to PS: Don't be fooled by the pity artist impression projected in the movie or in the street.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 1 2011, 03:34 PM

Where got storm? False weather forecast only, don't believe everything you read or make believe, especially talking cock is fun.

"Average people are not rich",I say "dump people are not smart" Whose going to open the topic and discuss?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 1 2011, 04:48 PM

If a debate must get personal and protecting ego is the drive? Some body will be embarrassed, How to be non average but did not expect the counter reaction? No one can grab you by your balls if you don't show them off in the first place (if you got balls). I am challenging the validity of the topic and its rational with real world experience and to the extend of my knowledge, proved it false with examples if not entirely wrong because nothing is definite like 1+1 = 2.

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 1 2011, 05:24 PM

I like this quote too by Dreamer !!!
Anyone else?

People first whine after a few years of working because they still cling to the student mentality, thinking efforts will be appreciated and up a notch when experience increases. Also company politic, those are the first lessons and a rude awakening to the term REALITY is cruel.

They will hop to another company hoping to start over or afraid starting over and wasted all the previous efforts, which ever the case when they reached 30 and life issues caught up; car near end of installment, need money to get marry, downpayment for a house... How much time can be spent on self improvement along with those issues? Old fella went through it in a different era and forgot how it felt like, those who managed well or lucky enough are relieved but not so for those who failed and still in misery. You won't see those here because they couldn't or don't F care.

So, you ended up hearing one sided story and I am the type who got stuck in the middle, hence midlife crisis loh Who do you think dare to challenge the RICH? Not the failure but a nobody until somebody, I was so ashamed to have failed after putting in so much efforts and determine to find out why, what and how I failed but no, I did not fail. It is the people who I dealt with failed me, I have never failed to make progress and improvement and that is why I last so long living like a failure.

What kept me going is because I did not fail to upgrade knowing it is the only way to break the norm, reality is a condition set by more selfish business / rich man than the noble. They dictate the market and set low wage value because business is all about money, as long as one can survive, its good enough to find ways but in the expense of time and that means years because an hour or two a day isn't much depends on the goal / field. After which, you need to test out the idea or get feed back from industry player and if you choose to show it to your immediate superior, you either asking for trouble or a promotion.

Think how will you feel if you are those hardcore stubborn seniors who have no where to go and what they will do to make sure you don't excel, this is unavoidable because human factor is the major obstacle everywhere and making deals is not technical but often based on relationship, so how to introduce yourself to people you don't know is an art of communication along with your worthiness and the plan / work you have put in that matters to small or big establishment.

Sometimes, bosses is more afraid of those who try to make themselves indispensable, not good for the company if the fella die all of a sudden in an accident.

Yes a lot of silly and stupid and paranoid managers out there, Hypothetical situation is not real world and cannot exclude the human factor, when B can do the job of A and B want promotion to A but company cannot expend, what will A do usually? Until A found a better job, B won't have the chance and will make C & D challenge B, this is the drama in the office and counter productive, hence high staff turn over cycle but A blame it on young people attitude and tell the boss stories.

The boss don't care because immune to it already, until one day, the company suffer losses and deteriorating sales by the years, the entire staff are fired even the CEO is new, I went to such an international company for interview 1 1/2 month ago.

Once, I was hired as head of the department but there was a senior thought she will succeed instead, so she caused all sorts of problem. At another company, the existing head are so afraid of my ability overwhelmed her, she spread gossip because the stupid boss love to hear who is bad luck to the company, their business rely on luck so much that they harness luck from recruiting huge number of sales without basic salary and depend on commission alone. (taking advantage of the religion and behavior of a race group)

One person one luck, multiply that by few hundred and even if only half of them make sales in one day, profit is guaranteed at the minimum expenses to the managers and infrastructure, they had to recruit fresh graduates every few months because half of them won't lasts more than 1 year. Imagin you are the sales and unable to make sales, you get nothing, is it because you are not hardworking or no luck? You lost if unlucky but the company lose nothing.

Those are the real situation, knowing what we are up against is making the difference not made up stories that sounds logical and hopefully motivating.





This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 3 2011, 04:23 PM

This topic is going into the real world not kinder garden, your kind of assimilation only breed disappointments.

Here is more about dispensable,
I was given a second chance to come back to Art & Design after drop out a few years and the company still practice old method, one day, they decided to adopt computer and it opened a whole new chapter in my career and produced Malaysia first 3D children's book series but the boss is worried because 3D is highly technical and afraid I will leave for better offer. His relative who is an artist I know came back to KL after stationed in Johor servicing Singapore clients.

An art director was let off in between, the boss knew it is his chance and wanted the new artist to learn everything from me, I resign and work under free lance to complete the project, I have to write letters begging for jobs since no one hire old dogs and cannot rely on jobstreet (zero responce to all my application).

The artist who supposed to take on 3D could not comprehend software were then told to go free lance because company not doing well, after that, the remaining artist were told the same but refuse to go because no job opportunity and not read to start over. Don't know what happen next, I was told by an art director while in the game company which closed 6 months later in Dec 2008, who says recession don't affect Malaysian?

This post has been edited by 3dassets: Sep 3 2011, 04:30 PM

Where is your Hypothetical rebuttal? Smart "S or Ass"?

Rich people can get richer by means of turning small business into corporation and create job opportunities but when they suppress wage to set market value for a prolonged period of time, the effect is the poor become poorer because it don't equate to cost of living to a point that they resorted on foreign cheap labor.
I make 2k to 3k 20 years ago and still making the same today, until not enough work for artist because old publication can still sell, won't expand to global afraid of the cost and competition, even if one of them dare to venture out, they still pay cheap salary otherwise cannot get richer, hence no point for the extra effort. Since no such job available, this country lag behind, the MSC tried to promote local 3D animation but they want to fly before they can walk.

The chain effect caused low wage and low purchasing scenario, although we hear growth index every year but worthless to us, just to keep us spending than cause panic or no confident that will drain away money. Spread rumor will put you in jail but false hope can keep a country together.

All the vacancy ad says due to fast growing and expansion but when you ask for increment, they say company not making profit and when you left, they put the same ad again. If you track online jobs, you will notice some familiar companies and some are fake, how do I know? Begin you tracking and you will see the patterns.