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 ICT Zone Ventures - 8% p.a. yield, Highly not recommended to invest

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post Mar 30 2014, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(apathen @ Mar 30 2014, 11:16 PM)
those publicity may not reach you, but to accuse zero publicity is not true otherwise i will not come to know about it and some will not pop in here to ask question, if want to question the effectiveness of their publicity then i may have to agree. 
who put the blame on competitors? i only question the motive of thread starter with irresponsible title without prove and some of those just shoot from the hip...
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Defend the company however you wish, the fact that there are more sceptic than supporter shows that the co has failed in its PR tongue.gif

Usually loser will shift the blame to someone else instead of looking at what he himself did wrong. Winner, on the other hand, will accept criticism and improve himself
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Mar 30 2014, 11:43 PM)
Defend the company however you wish, the fact that there are more sceptic than supporter shows that the co has failed in its PR  tongue.gif

Usually loser will shift the blame to someone else instead of looking at what he himself did wrong. Winner, on the other hand, will accept criticism and improve himself
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accuse however you wish. why should i defend the company? i agree their publicity is not effective, failed PR maybe but you say they have zero publicity please back it up with prove ... i bet you never try to find out too, i did a google search and can find this http://www.bfm.my/investment-based-interest-schemes.html

try not to put your word in my mouth and twisting into conspiracy of blaming game ... u try to play hero but neglect to offer reasons on my original question on motive and validity of this thread title claiming 'highly not recommended...' ? i want to know why so. i only interested in finding out the fact and discuss base on it and not hearsay.






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post Mar 31 2014, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(apathen @ Mar 31 2014, 12:48 AM)
accuse however you wish. why should i defend the company? i agree their publicity is not effective, failed PR maybe  but you say they have zero publicity please back it up with prove ... i bet you never try to find out too, i did a google search and can find this  http://www.bfm.my/investment-based-interest-schemes.html

try not to put your word in my mouth and twisting into conspiracy of blaming game ... u try to play hero but neglect to offer reasons on my original question on motive and validity of this thread title claiming 'highly not recommended...' ? i want to know why so. i only interested in finding out the fact and discuss base on it and not hearsay.
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If you are so confident about the company , why do you bother about other investor's opinion ? Just put your money in.

Highly not recommended is just an opinion. Nobody point a gun at your head to prevent you from investing. It is always an investor's right to question because it is a free market.

If you are blaming investor' opinion and thought that they have ill motive, you should ask the company to do more to reverse the public' perception. That is a perfectly normal situation in business. You cant kill opinion unless you are in north korea

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This is the reply from Securities Commission dated 4/12/13 when i email them my enquiries.

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post Mar 31 2014, 07:29 PM

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Do you know from who did ictzoneventure buy the pc/desktop then rent it to other ppl?

Do you know who is the owner of the company of ictzone?
http://www.ictzone.com.my/pcrental/ICTZone_aboutUs.htm

which mean that mr A basically have 2 company let say company A and company B.

mr a open a scheme using company B name. Then buy the pc/desktop from company A.
Did you see what is the problem lie here?
Did you see any conflict of interest? Why not open tender? Buy from the cheapest pc/desktop supplier?

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post Mar 31 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 31 2014, 07:29 PM)
Do you know from who did ictzoneventure buy the pc/desktop then rent it to other ppl?

Do you know who is the owner of the company of ictzone?
http://www.ictzone.com.my/pcrental/ICTZone_aboutUs.htm

which mean that mr A basically have 2 company let say company A and company B.

mr a open a scheme using company B name. Then buy the pc/desktop from company A.
Did you see what is the problem lie here?
Did you see any conflict of interest? Why not open tender? Buy from the cheapest pc/desktop supplier?

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ok good at least now u do spend time study and point to the source of your doubt so there is ground to exchange view.

Firstly to understand the background u need to also read page 8 of the prospectus where they are telling the history of management company, one they consider as business partner and another as affiliate, don't think they try to hide anything there.

and for the practice I don't think it's something abnormal unless one can prove that is exorbitant, you can find that practice in all listed company's annual report. Just take one company for example Boustead (just happened i'm reading abt their proposed listing of Boustead plantation so can give u immediate comparison), download part2 at
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1573497
and from page 78-80 (appendix II(B)), under significant related party transactions disclosing many transactions with subsidiary of their immediate holding company ... so are they doing something fishy too?



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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Mar 31 2014, 06:11 AM)
If you are so confident about the company , why do you bother about other investor's opinion ? Just put your money in.

Highly not recommended is just an opinion. Nobody point a gun at your head to prevent you from investing. It is always an investor's right to question because it is a free market.

If you are blaming investor' opinion and thought that they have ill motive, you should ask the company to do more to reverse the public' perception. That is a perfectly normal situation in business. You cant kill opinion unless you are in north korea
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Not trying to kill opinion, but Opinion need to be substantiated by fact. Otherwise can't blame other of thinking they have ill motive. That's the least we can ask to maintain a quality discussion.

otherwise anyone can start a thread with hit and run title: 'Showtime747 is highly unreliable ....'. period.
Is that what we like to see this forum full of mudslinging threads?



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QUOTE(apathen @ Mar 31 2014, 10:25 PM)
disclosing many transactions with subsidiary of their immediate holding company ... so are they doing something fishy too?
u also say subsidiary company.

but here, the transaction is not with subsidiary company.

Company is losing money every year? 200k/year?

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post Mar 31 2014, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 31 2014, 10:46 PM)
u also say subsidiary company.

but here, the transaction is not with subsidiary company.

Company is losing money every year? 200k/year?

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they are related companies what is the difference? to get your answer you can engage the company to further explain to u abt their company structure and business model, not for me to disclose.

at least now u ask some pertinent question on their income statement, those were the questions i posted to them before, in summary they have unabsorbed capital allowance so they r tax exempted but accounting wise still need to show there however in real fact no need to pay. So you u should look at profit before tax as actual profit (and those were already after all dividends payout).
To me, for newly incorporated company first two years losses are common, the fact they can start making small profit in first two years i have no complaint, and i expect this year financial report will be better, don't just believe me, just wait for their latest prospectus coming out in two weeks time then we judge again.
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QUOTE(apathen @ Mar 31 2014, 10:44 PM)
Not trying to kill opinion, but Opinion need to be substantiated by fact. Otherwise can't blame other of thinking they have ill motive. That's the least we can ask to maintain a quality discussion. 

otherwise anyone can start a thread with hit and run title:  'Showtime747 is highly unreliable ....'. period.
Is that what we like to see this forum full of mudslinging threads?
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I respect people's freedom of expression even if they start a thread "showtime747 is highly unreliable...". I will not at all be affected because it is a lie. If it is a lie, it will die down eventually. I will thank them for making me so important in their life that they have to start a thread about me. I am in fact flattered thumbup.gif

The forum anywhere is not short of mudslinging. Participate more and you will see more of a forum. When there are human being interacting, there will be different opinion. To you their opinion may be of poor quality. But to them, they truly believe what they think. You can accuse them they have ill motive. They can also accuse you are the representative of the company. There is no end to it tongue.gif

As much as you defend the company here, I think the company does not care a bit how a forum like LYN thinks about them for all you know
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:05 PM

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how the company is related?

do u mean ictzoneventure own 100% of ictzone?
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post Mar 17 2016, 05:22 PM

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FYI, record of dividend distribution thus far:
2011 - 8%
2012 - 8+2%
2013 - 8%
2014 - 8%
2015 - 8%

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post Mar 17 2016, 09:17 PM

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Heard that they doing good last FY.
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post Mar 17 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(RentiT.my @ Mar 17 2016, 05:22 PM)
FYI, record of dividend distribution thus far:
2011 - 8%
2012 - 8+2%
2013 - 8%
2014 - 8%
2015 - 8%
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Tis scheme still open?
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QUOTE(RentiT.my @ Mar 17 2016, 05:22 PM)
FYI, record of dividend distribution thus far:
2011 - 8%
2012 - 8+2%
2013 - 8%
2014 - 8%
2015 - 8%
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post Mar 18 2016, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 17 2016, 09:47 PM)
Tis scheme still open?
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ICT Zone Ventures Bhd has two schemes now - Scheme 1 & Scheme 2.
Can check it out on SSM website under Interest Scheme Section: http://www.ssm.com.my/en/company/is-regist...alue=Skim+Aktif

Scheme 1 no longer available for new comers. The company had a program last month which offered 8+2% yield for 2016, but only open to existing investors to top up, as a privilege and appreciation to their support.

Scheme 2 is still open for everyone, the difference is 1 unit = RM10k.
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QUOTE(RentiT.my @ Mar 18 2016, 09:51 AM)
ICT Zone Ventures Bhd has two schemes now - Scheme 1 & Scheme 2.
Can check it out on SSM website under Interest Scheme Section: http://www.ssm.com.my/en/company/is-regist...alue=Skim+Aktif

Scheme 1 no longer available for new comers. The company had a program last month which offered 8+2% yield for 2016, but only open to existing investors to top up, as a privilege and appreciation to their support.

Scheme 2 is still open for everyone, the difference is 1 unit = RM10k.
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Thanks for d link
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 18 2016, 12:05 PM)
Thanks for d link
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post Dec 14 2019, 11:15 AM

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I checked on the scheme 2 prospectus, the earning for last year is 54k.
Wondering how they can use this earning to pay to 800 subscriber with 8% p.a.

800 subscriber x 10k = 8000k
8000k x 8% = 640k already

https://www.ictzventures.com.my/ICTV/eform/...9-April2020.pdf

Total subscriber = page 11
Profit and loss = page 10

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 14 2019, 11:15 AM)
I checked on the scheme 2 prospectus, the earning for last year is 54k.
Wondering how they can use this earning to pay to 800 subscriber with 8% p.a.

800 subscriber x 10k = 8000k
8000k x 8% = 640k already

https://www.ictzventures.com.my/ICTV/eform/...9-April2020.pdf

Total subscriber = page 11
Profit and loss = page 10
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after so many years still checking? too late, they are going to list on leap next year

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