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 REIT V3, Real Estate Investment Trust

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xjeez
post Sep 7 2011, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(omgimnoob @ Sep 6 2011, 11:34 PM)
REITs is for fixed cash income, is not usually for trading purposes. But, free to do so....
Now its time to collect some Amfirst and Atrium looo.....
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AMFirst has proposed a rights issue, so you'll have to prepare additional funds for it to maintain the value of your stake when it comes around.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li.../historical.jsp

This post has been edited by xjeez: Sep 7 2011, 10:03 AM
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post Sep 7 2011, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 31 2011, 12:19 PM)
U one lucky dude as i responded to a private message (thus can copy & paste here). IMHO, most of us here will tell U to do some R&D first before asking such a general Q

REITs:
U can buy / sell REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) online just like stocks. In fact, they are stocks of REITs which U buy into, thus they pay U the stockholder, dividends.

How do I buy REITS? Do you need to go anywhere to buy it?
a. Go sign-up with a securities company like Hong Leong eBroking http://www.hlebroking.com or Maybank2U's online share trading.
b. Then go buy a REIT (eg. TWRREIT, BSDREIT, ARREIT, AXIS, etc.)

I have a Hong Leong account. So if I open the Hong Leong eBrokring, I can use my Hong Leong account to buy REITS right? Will they deliver a letter to my house or they will give me a passbook?
Then the interest, will they automatic credit it into my hong Leong account?
a. U'd have to transfer yr $ into Hong Leong eBroking after opening an account. Dont worry, all online.
b. No passbook or anything - it's statement based and online only. It's literally STOCKS of REIT companies
c. REITs dont give interest - they give dividends. Yes the dividends goes into your HLeB a/c (not HLB a/c). U can then ask them to transfer it out to your HLB a/c.
d. FYI - cash lying in your HLeB account attracts FD interest rate
Q1. The dividends are given annually or every half a year?
Q2. How is it calculated?
Q3. How do I select good REITS?
Q4. So if I open a HLeB account, and just deposit money inside, they will give me FD interest rates? (That is cool) Any terms and conditions?
Q5. I only have RM2500 with me. Is that enough to buy REITs? The rest are all lock up in FD. My uncle told me about REIT but he refuse to teach me.
Q6. Can I ask them to send me statement to my house?
Q7. How to withdraw from HLeB?
Q8. Any yearly or withdrawal fees to pay for HLeB?
Q9. Any charges for transferring from HLB a/c to HLeB a/c?

A1. Dividends are given out either 1/2 yearly or qtrly - dependant on the REIT itself
A2. When U log in and see the counters/stocks, look for DY.
That's the gross Dividend Yield indicator
Dividend Yield = dividend paid out for a year / last closing price of stock
A3. Er.. it's personal.
To me - D/E <0.6, ROE or ROTA >=8%pa for several years and buy at a good value price (ie. high DY%)
Google D/E, ROE and ROTA
All these data are available on KLSE Tracker, which can be accessed once U get into HLeB's website by r-clicking on the counter to check
A4. No terms and conditions.
Dont lar just sit on the cash - buy at least 1 REIT OR attempt to buy ;P
A5. er.. $2.5K is not an optimal transaction value.
Optimal as in it's too low, thus the cost of brokerage and stuff will be a high % of your transaction. Optimal is about $3K+, where the cost is about 0.55% of the transaction value
A6. Yup of course - U also get emailed for every transaction AND U can check your holdings/portfolio online
A7. Just email them or call them. They'll draw a cheque and bank-into your registered bank a/c. Simple
A8. No fees other than transaction charges when buying/selling stocks
A9. Nope - FOC

What is D/E, ROE and ROTA?
D/E: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-equity_ratio
ROE: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/return...p#axzz1WOpfdYCk
ROTA: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/return...p#axzz1WOpfdYCk

0.55% of transaction value means if say my transaction is RM1000, they will deduct RM5.50 right?
0.55% - more like if U buy say $1 share * 1000 units, U'll be paying $1,000 * (100% +0.55%) for the purchase.
Mind U - $1,000 will attract like 1%++ costs, not 0.55%

why 1%++ cost? I thought you said is only 0.55%?
brokerage commission is $12 or 0.42%, whichever higher (excluding stamp duties and what not costs).
Thus, remember i said there's an OPTIMAL transaction value?
ie. your buy/sell should be about $3K
That's when your TOTAL cost is about 0.55%
Imagine at $3K, your brokerage would be 0.42% or about $12
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$1K and your brokerage is $12
Which of the above is "higher cost" as a % of transaction value? Comprehende

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post Sep 7 2011, 10:32 AM

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can I get the data of D/E, ROE and ROTA in cimb itrade?
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post Sep 7 2011, 04:52 PM

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any idea how's atrium doing?
shah alam 1 and puchong contracts expiring this year.

also there's new property acquisition in Damansara
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post Sep 7 2011, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(soonlee33 @ Sep 7 2011, 04:52 PM)
any idea how's atrium doing?
shah alam 1 and puchong contracts expiring this year.

also there's new property acquisition in Damansara
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What should one look for when deciding which REIT to invest in?

I assume properties the trust is in possession of, upcoming acquisitions, expiration of any leases and previous dividend record. Anything else?
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post Sep 7 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(xjeez @ Sep 7 2011, 10:02 AM)
AMFirst has proposed a rights issue, so you'll have to prepare additional funds for it to maintain the value of your stake when it comes around.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li.../historical.jsp
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OMG....shit...
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post Sep 7 2011, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(xjeez @ Sep 7 2011, 10:02 AM)
AMFirst has proposed a rights issue, so you'll have to prepare additional funds for it to maintain the value of your stake when it comes around.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li.../historical.jsp
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Renouncable rights.. so can sell the rights if you dont hv additional funds nod.gif
By the way, it seems uncommon that REITs go this route. I thought most of time, they usually go for private placement.

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post Sep 9 2011, 12:50 AM

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alaqar painful drop but will add more if funds were available ....... below 1.1 is nice entry imo
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post Sep 9 2011, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 9 2011, 01:50 AM)
alaqar painful drop but will add more if funds were available  ....... below 1.1 is nice entry imo
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hey reit master,
Arreit and sunreit which better:P
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post Sep 9 2011, 05:08 PM

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Once the 2nd dip happen.. Is time to go for some REITs to tie a good knot from them on dividend already smile.gif

Waiting and waiting
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post Sep 9 2011, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 9 2011, 06:08 PM)
Once the 2nd dip happen.. Is time to go for some REITs to tie a good knot from them on dividend already smile.gif

Waiting and waiting
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so any recommend ? blush.gif
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post Sep 9 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 9 2011, 05:08 PM)
Once the 2nd dip happen.. Is time to go for some REITs to tie a good knot from them on dividend already smile.gif

Waiting and waiting
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need lots of cash in hand without tempting to play stocks when "opportunities come".
need superb skill in hit and run, otherwise just cut loss cut loss ends up with loss. tongue.gif

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post Sep 9 2011, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Sep 9 2011, 05:04 PM)
hey reit master,
Arreit and sunreit which better:P
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Master? Call cherroy lah, I have arreit so I choose arreit whistling.gif
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post Sep 10 2011, 11:45 AM

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Arreit should be better in terms of yield, Sunreit is the biggest, it wont collapse that easily, but low risk low return. Correct me if I'm wrong.


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post Sep 10 2011, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Sep 9 2011, 05:14 PM)
so any recommend ?  blush.gif
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I want Sunreit come down back, maybe RM1 la... But very firm la.. Now dividend totally not attractive.

ARReit also not bad.
Alaqar can consider
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post Sep 10 2011, 01:30 PM

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Assumptions, REITs is already a low risk in share market, if want a lower risk, better go into fixed deposit or GE saving plan. Thus, if planned to enter share market why not take some risk enter better dividend yield companies. Can also try other normal companies which have a good dividend payout policy.
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post Sep 10 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(omgimnoob @ Sep 10 2011, 01:30 PM)
Assumptions, REITs is already a low risk in share market, if want a lower risk, better go into fixed deposit or GE saving plan. Thus, if planned to enter share market why not take some risk enter better dividend yield companies. Can also try other normal companies which have a good dividend payout policy.
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Please do not include saving plan in the question. smile.gif
Saving plan shouldn't be classified as investment in the first place.
It is an insurance.
Try not to pay the one year annual premium, or pre-mature cancellation, see how much you lose.... whistling.gif
There is little flexibility in saving plan, you must pay up your premium on time each year until maturity which could be 6 years, 10 years or even more, disregard you are starving with money or not currently.

The one lower risk than reit is bond. You can get slight higher return than FD, but lower than reit generally, (excluded those junk or poor quality bond).
But personally, I won't recommend bond at current environment. Return/yield is not good enough, while risk is not low either.

Good boring dividend stock is seems better than bond while getting rather the same yield with bond, while has lot of upside potential, (yes for sure the risk is much higher than bond).

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post Sep 10 2011, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 10 2011, 12:59 PM)
I want Sunreit come down back, maybe RM1 la... But very firm la.. Now dividend totally not attractive.

ARReit also not bad.
Alaqar can consider
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Alaqar dividend look low.... maybe arreit
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post Sep 10 2011, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Sep 10 2011, 02:45 PM)
Alaqar dividend look low.... maybe arreit
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Yea.. low.
I mean when it had dipped, then can consider. No dip, no buy
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post Sep 11 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 10 2011, 05:05 PM)
Yea.. low.
I mean when it had dipped, then can consider. No dip, no buy
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roger that ...

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