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post Aug 12 2011, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 11 2011, 10:53 AM)
Oh oh.. no wonder the "free fall" in ARREIT earlier.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...85&sec=business
PETALING JAYA: Standard & Poor's (S&P) has withdrawn all ratings for AmanahRaya Real Estate Investment Trust (AR-REIT) at the company's request after the rating agency gave it a “negative” outlook.

The Singapore-based S&P affirmed its BBB- long-term corporate credit rating and axBBB+ Asean scale rating on the company but said the “negative” outlook reflected its assessment that the extraordinary support from the Government could weaken if a proposed transaction between AR-REIT and Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor proceeded as planned.

AR-REIT could not be reached for comment. A Singapore-based S&P analyst said he could not disclose the reasons for AR-REIT's request to withdraw all ratings.

The analyst said the BBB- rating comprised two components its stand-alone credit profile and the “moderate” likelihood of extraordinary Government support, based on S&P's criteria on government-related entities.

Although AR-REIT enjoys stable and resilient cashflows, high tenant security deposits and an improving market position in the Malaysian real estate investment sector, its credit profile shows a high exposure to the office property segment and increasing leverage.

AR-REIT is majority-owned by state pension fund Kumpulan Wang Bersama (KWB). The trust owns properties including Holiday Villa hotels in Langkawi and Alor Setar as well as Segi College branches in Kota Damansara and Subang Jaya.

The Selangor State Development Corp (PKNS) plans to inject three properties into AR-REIT in exchange for RM165mil cash and a 20% stake in the trust.

If this goes through, KWB's stake in AR-REIT will be diluted to 43% from 54%. One of S&P's rating criteria for government-related entities is the support of Government, measured by the latter's stake in a company.

“The proposed transaction with PKNS may result in the diminishing and perhaps eventual disappearance of Government support for AR-REIT,” the analyst said.

S&P also said in a statement that it could have revised the outlook to “stable” if the transaction with PKNS did not proceed, which would have resulted in KWB maintaining its majority shareholding in AR-REIT.
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I don't really get it. What does it mean by "disappearance of Government support for AR-REIT"? It's Amanahraya Reit, Amanahraya itself is a government company, am I wrong? How can a government company not supported by government? rclxub.gif
The injection of PKNS should be very important to its near future expansion plan, isn't it? I'd even think if the plan does not succeed, it's more bad news than the "disappearance of Government support".
What's S&P thinking? I'm really rclxub.gif

Anyway, I switched all my Arreit at 0.89 into Axreit at 2.41 during market selldown last 2 days. Not because of this news since I just first time read this news right now. I made the switch because I am more confident on Axreit and I'm too excited to see its price dropped so much that day! drool.gif

btw, nice to see a fresh new REIT thread. thumbup.gif

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post Aug 13 2011, 04:30 AM

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So regret I missed the chance to grab CMMT at 1.21! doh.gif
I was hoping it to drop to 1.18 that time, so close. cry.gif
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post Sep 9 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 9 2011, 05:08 PM)
Once the 2nd dip happen.. Is time to go for some REITs to tie a good knot from them on dividend already smile.gif

Waiting and waiting
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need lots of cash in hand without tempting to play stocks when "opportunities come".
need superb skill in hit and run, otherwise just cut loss cut loss ends up with loss. tongue.gif

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post Sep 11 2011, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 10 2011, 04:05 PM)
Yea.. low.
I mean when it had dipped, then can consider. No dip, no buy
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when the yield reach 7.5%, that price i buy. nod.gif
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post Sep 12 2011, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Sep 11 2011, 02:16 AM)
yok70, u still hold ur hunzpty?  biggrin.gif
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sold and switch to non-property counter. holding too many property counters. smile.gif
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post Sep 16 2011, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(jun16 @ Sep 16 2011, 11:59 AM)
what is the diffrent btw mreit and islamic reit?
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halal and non-halal. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 17 2011, 03:30 AM

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QUOTE(jun16 @ Sep 16 2011, 10:07 PM)
lol sweat.gif
so islamic reit only islam ppl can buy?
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non-halal people can eat both halal and non-halal food.
but halal people can only eat halal food.
same applies to stock. biggrin.gif
however, this is not in the law i think. so, it just depends how straight those islam investors are to their religious.

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post Sep 21 2011, 01:47 AM

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cmmt only 5.x% yield and yet buyers still won't let it go 1.20? i missed the chance to grab some when it was below 1.20 few weeks ago. now gotta wait another opportunity to come. yawn.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 12:10 AM

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I'm still waiting for Midvalley REIT lah! yawn.gif
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 12 2011, 12:24 AM)
midvalley got REIT soon?  hmm.gif
already talked about it years after years, still tak jadi.....yet. maybe those directors just purposely mentioned it to attract buyers to buy their company shares. yawn.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Oct 12 2011, 12:41 AM)
mind to tell me which one is midvalley counter? lol..

never know that midvalley counter is exist..  doh.gif
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post Oct 18 2011, 03:07 AM

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Axreit re-investment plan sounds so complicated! rclxub.gif

I'm waiting for some clear minded good english sifus to list down in simple points. notworthy.gif

I always wondering when things go official/professional, all those legal documents, and now stock market announcements, all written with SO VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND English. I guess my English is too bad, and my IQ is too low. That's why. rclxub.gif


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post Oct 18 2011, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 18 2011, 04:43 PM)
Axreit 4.3 cents DPU for latest Q.
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Will you choose the re-investment plan?
Please correct me if i was wrong.

From this 4.3 sen,
1.10 sen must be in cash,
2.10 sen can be either in cash, or to re-invest (partly, or in full).

re-invest:
can buy new units at RM2.30/unit, with 1 sen of dividend + extra money RM2.29.
and the remaining 1.10 sen in cash.

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And I'm blur now. I must be wrong somewhere. Since if the above is correct, it should be rather:
1. 2.20 sen in cash
2. remaining 1 sen can be used to re-invest by adding RM2.29 to buy 1 unit.

Please enlighten me. notworthy.gif


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post Oct 19 2011, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 18 2011, 05:39 PM)
You are blur now.
Total
4.3 cents given, 1.1 + 2.1 = 3.3, 1 cent missing... you are so generous giving it away?   laugh.gif

Out of 4.3 cents, 2.1 cents can be used for reinvestment aka Electable portion (which you can choose), the other 2.2 cents must be paid in cash (non-electable part).

Out of the 2.1 cents Electable portion, the board decided 1 cent can be used for reinvestment.

So it is 3.3 cents cash, 1 cent reinvestment.

The statement is quite confusing somehow that I have to agree.


Added on October 18, 2011, 5:52 pmthe reinvestment price is Rm2.30.

I will not choose reinvestment, reason:

1. I invested in reit is for fixed income instrument, whereby it generate cashflow to me. Whether I use the dividend money to buy Axreit or others, I have freedom to make the decision at whenever time later on.

2. I don't like to have odd lot or lot size that difficult to remember, instead of 100, 200, 250 lot.

Above just my personal preference.

But reinvestment can mean you get some discount out of the unit you owned, while you can sell at market price and make little profit out of it.
So it is up to individual choice.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying which is better to the others.
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Thanks for the clarification. notworthy.gif
(gosh! i gave them back 1 sen free! rclxub.gif laugh.gif )

ie. if i got 20,000 units, all i can re-invest is just RM200, that is 87 units. (please correct me if i was wrong)
Only to re-invest RM200 for a RM46k investment? This is quite pointless for me, with all the odd lots trouble for such tiny benefit. rclxub.gif


Added on October 19, 2011, 12:53 am
QUOTE(whizzer @ Oct 18 2011, 11:32 PM)
They should have announce this when AXREIT was hovering at 2.30-2.35 last month. I would have top up  cry.gif
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In fact, they did announce this quite long time ago. I think at least few months ago. hmm.gif


Added on October 19, 2011, 12:56 am
QUOTE(yong417 @ Oct 18 2011, 07:59 PM)
Based on my understanding la.... the share(unit)holders can opt to: (correct me if i m wrong  notworthy.gif )

Option 1

Take cash of 4.30 sen per unit (in which 4.20 sen is subject to w/h tax, and 0.10 sen is not taxable)

i.e. for resident individual, he will get 3.88 sen nett per unit...


Option 2


Choose to reinvest 2.10 sen (in which 2.00 sen is subject to w/h tax, and 0.10 sen is not taxable)
and
take the remaining of 2.20 sen (taxable) in the form of cash

i.e. for resident individual,
a) nett reinvestment amount is 1.90 sen nett per unit
b) nett cash received is 1.98 sen nett per unit 



Option 3


Choose to reinvest 1.00 sen (taxable)
and
take the remaining of 3.30 sen (in which 3.20 sen is subject to w/h tax, and 0.10 sen is not taxable) in the form of cash

i.e. for resident individual,
a) nett reinvestment amount is 0.90 sen nett per unit
b) nett cash received is 2.98 sen nett per unit 

either option 2 or option 3, the unitholder will have odd lot after the reinvestment...

I think your understanding is not entirely correct. I think for every unit, only a max of 1 sen could be use for re-investment. And one may choose to re-investment less than the max also.
Please correct me if i was wrong, i blur blur one. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(yong417 @ Oct 19 2011, 07:49 AM)
based on my understanding on the announcement la....

i think u can only choose to reinvest either :

a) full reinvestment, i.e. 2.10sen per unit (gross) or,
b) partial reinvestment, i.e. 1.00sen per unit (gross)

no other amount d... because the "or part of the Electable Portion based on the proportion as determined by the Board"
if u have 20k units, u can:

a) reinvest RM380 @ RM2.30/unit = 165 units
b) reinvest RM180 @ RM2.30/unit = 78 units
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thanks for the clarification. you could be correct, so it's either 2.10 sen or 1.0 sen per unit.
my english really too poor to understand those PROFESSIONAL writing. biggrin.gif

anyway, since it's too minor re-investment offer, i've decided to just take the cash. nod.gif

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post Oct 28 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(protonw @ Oct 27 2011, 09:38 AM)
Maybank call for Axreit:-
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I only had one reit, that's Axreit. Been queuing to buy CMMT for weeks, but still fail to get it. No fate. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Nov 11 2011, 04:37 PM)
Thanks.

What do I need to monitor once I bought the REIT? I mean, read analyst report on REIT, read Star Business ? I intend to hold REIT for at least 3-5 years term ?

How to watch out for REIT counter bad news? will they ever be reported in newspaper ?
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May keep latest info from here, once again.
http://mreit.reitdata.com/

Good luck new REIT investor. thumbup.gif


Added on November 11, 2011, 5:45 pmPavilion Real Estate Investment Trust, a Malaysian retail property trust, is marketing its initial public offering to institutions at 88 sen to 90 sen per unit, according to a note sent to investors.

The company expects a distribution yield of as much as 6.73 percent based on its 2012 earnings estimates, the note said. -- Bloomberg

Read more: Pavilion Reit to market IPO at 90 sen/unit http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM.../#ixzz1dO6CDJ5q

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post Nov 12 2011, 03:42 AM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Nov 11 2011, 05:54 PM)
if it does test it's 52 weeks low, it's time for me to buy some ...... for long terms divvy  whistling.gif
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I think 52 weeks low thing is not suitable to be applied on Reits.
I think Reits more concern on (future) yield. So for the Arreit case, we need to first find out how much rental it could be deducted from CIMB's bye bye. hmm.gif
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post Nov 13 2011, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2011, 03:54 PM)
The one over-leveraged one is individual owned properties. 
Consider a person earn 3-4k month with little saving/asset, but can get a loan of 200k.
Don't know how many 100-200% leverage...

I more care about how they are financing, how the debt level is and vs their properties portfolio.
If they are using little borrowing to buy poor quality asset, this is not good as well.
While if they highly leverage but owning prime location properties, then it is better than above mentioned.

If refinancing freeze, properties sector crash, cannot get tenant, both crashed together, but the one with prime property has better chance of survive.
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Added on November 13, 2011, 2:23 am
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 12 2011, 11:12 AM)
Arreits apparently made some mistakes to purchase some very low yield properties just not too long ago, now intends to sell out.

Don'T u think it is rather a poor decision of their management ?

Or rather it is purely due to some unforeseen circumstances.
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I must say I've lost confidence on their management.
Previously, although I know many of the properties in their profile are getting rather poor yield (5% or so only), but since the reit has been trading at below its NTA and with around 8% yield, so it's still not too bad. However, after watching them poorly managed their expansion plan for the past one year, I guess that's it for now, no more confidence.
Anyway, I've already sold all my Arreit early this year. I've been hoping to enter CMMT as the 2nd reit in my profile in a lower price, but couldn't get it until today.
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post Nov 14 2011, 01:15 PM

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Anyone like Pav IPO? Share share your comments. notworthy.gif
As for me, I like the Pavilion mall, but have doubt on the office tower. Anyone knows more on the office tower? notworthy.gif

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