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7) Lalanne push up


is that the invention of the late Jack Lalanne?
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If there was a like button i'd like this smile.gif

Have the convict conditioning workout template but still stuck at not being able to pull-ups , the one this i really wanna do.

Hopefully we get a sticky for this.
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post Aug 5 2011, 10:18 AM

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Try the new "Build The Gymnastic Body"

it's awesome brahh

btw repped.... oh no rep system here lol
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Some useful and free PDF posted in bodybuilding forum too
research on it too smile.gif

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=525304673
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This is very useful tips, gymnast body is more lean
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QUOTE(zaphod42 @ Aug 5 2011, 09:33 AM)
If there was a like button i'd like this smile.gif

Have the convict conditioning workout template but still stuck at not being able to pull-ups , the one this i really wanna do.

Hopefully we get a sticky for this.
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You might one to try the link below to get your first pull up. The progression is better than convict conditioning in my opinion.
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com/ei...rfect-chin-ups/

QUOTE(adix4 @ Aug 5 2011, 10:18 AM)
Try the new "Build The Gymnastic Body"

it's awesome brahh

btw repped.... oh no rep system here lol
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That book is awesome but very tough. I'm still learning L-sit now....

If only I master all the stuff in the book and become;

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QUOTE(cyloh @ Aug 5 2011, 11:43 AM)
You might one to try the link below to get your first pull up. The progression is better than convict conditioning in my opinion.
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com/ei...rfect-chin-ups/
That book is awesome but very tough. I'm still learning L-sit now....

If only I master all the stuff in the book and become;

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Dude is built like a tank. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 5 2011, 04:11 PM

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basically will end up doing calisthenics at my University since the Gym is always packed with people.

So far i have a pull up bar, TRX and push up bars.

Trying to find a dip bar

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where can i find one of this btw?
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Aug 5 2011, 04:11 PM)
basically will end up doing calisthenics at my University since the Gym is always packed with people.

So far i have a pull up bar, TRX and push up bars.

Trying to find a dip bar
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Not sure where to get those, but I do full bodyweight dips with L shaped tables. If I'm not mistaken certain chairs allow you to pair them up for dips too.

You can search in lowyat, I think a H&F member here constructed a dip station with pipes before.

If your pull up bar is screw on type where you can set it at any height level of the door frame, then you can use that for parallel dips.

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Congrats on the thread opening. Hopefully there will be a V2,V3...so on. Body weight exercises are just awesome but definitely not easy. Still focus on core strength to master handstand.

Any one thinking of learning and master various ways of flipping?
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quick question

pull ups

did you guys stop like dead hang

or turun habis
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have u tried doing FRAN ?? i think with your strength you should do well in crossfit smile.gif
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lettuce talk about routine?

after september i will retired from gym

any of you chaps have a routine already for bodyweights?

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Guys, don't need to buy a dips bar lah.

Try this instead:

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QUOTE(Vbs @ Aug 6 2011, 05:23 PM)
Guys, don't need to buy a dips bar lah.

Try this instead:

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Haha yeah that is exactly what I use for dips rclxms.gif

I started dips this way and worked up to being able to bang out reps effortlessly. Don't know why when I have the
chance to finally use a dip station suddenly felt like the dip is much harder. I think dips using table or surface like that
is more to chest/pecs and less tricep? hmm.gif

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SIGH. This is my only feeling reading this thread.

Strength doesn't come in one day or 2.

I have problems doing these hardcore body weight exercise since years (I was 180cm, 92kg). Till now,I'm 181cm,76kg,still suffering doing these body weight exercises.

My goal would be doing one arm pushup for both hand, 10reps.

Currently can only do it with right hand, 1 and half rep.

Pull-ups? I'm still trying for the without-assist-pull-ups. ZZZ...

Ain't born light.

Talk abt martial art background, I got only Taichi, which allow me to be more patient than the others. LOLx.
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QUOTE(van_takawa @ Aug 6 2011, 06:53 PM)
SIGH. This is my only feeling reading this thread.

Strength doesn't come in one day or 2.

I have problems doing these hardcore body weight exercise since years (I was 180cm, 92kg). Till now,I'm 181cm,76kg,still suffering doing these body weight exercises.

My goal would be doing one arm pushup for both hand, 10reps.

Currently can only do it with right hand, 1 and half rep.

Pull-ups? I'm still trying for the without-assist-pull-ups. ZZZ...

Ain't born light.

Talk abt martial art background, I got only Taichi, which allow me to be more patient than the others. LOLx.
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Try half pull ups first? Can always figure out a progression plan that can help you get that first pull up.

Quite power what... can do 1 rep one arm push up. For me estimated to be able to do one arm push ups next year.
Long time to go whistling.gif Hopefully no silly injuries to delay my progress.
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QUOTE(cyloh @ Aug 6 2011, 06:46 PM)
Haha yeah that is exactly what I use for dips  rclxms.gif

I started dips this way and worked up to being able to bang out reps effortlessly. Don't know why when I have the
chance to finally use a dip station suddenly felt like the dip is much harder. I think dips using table or surface like that
is more to chest/pecs and less tricep?  hmm.gif
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How much you engage your chest depends on how much you bend forward. As seen in the pictures, there is little room for me to bend forward, so I'm pretty much close to up-right. The problem with being too close to up-right is that it puts lots of stress on the shoulder joints should you go too low. To avoid placing too much stress on the joints (elbows as well), do it in a controlled manner and don't go too low (you'll feel it if you do).

Also, it's harder in a dip station because you have to grip the bars, so grip strength is involved.
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4) Do the negative, exploit the eccentric. Take a chair, climb all the way to the top of the bar. Grip it, and make sure your chin is above the bar. Step off the chair and go down in a slowly manner. Shoot for time. If you feel like falling, step on the chair immediately. Cut the range of motion and repeat. As you become familiar and stronger, increase the ROM and time.

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For me if I cant do pull up, I will take CC workout list, and discard its rep scheme altogether. I will shoot for 3~5 rep starting from step 1. Once I can do it, I go to the next step until I hit my wall. Then, I do the negative version of the step I cannot do. Once I'm strong I do it proper. Then I shoot back for 3~5 rep and then move to the next step. From time to time, I'll consider to substitute any of the step with a towel version, to increase the difficulty and train the grip.
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Wow these are golden advice.

For me I do 1 leg assisted pull up. So imagine a pistol squat to pull up like motion.
I try to use as much upper body strength to pull up as possible, minimal assistance from that 1 leg.

When my chin is over the bar, I lift the leg up to a leg raise and negative down as slow as I can afford.

Part of the fun in calisthenics is that there is unlimited ways to scale your progressions.
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im having problem with my shoulder during my workout routine. feel like my joint going to pop when doing side lateral using cable. when doing shoulder press, i cannot lower the weight too low. Feel pain in the joint.

Is there something i can do to fix this ?

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post Aug 7 2011, 11:32 AM

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most ppl i see when doing pull ups confirm dead hang

feel sad man
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 7 2011, 01:11 PM)
@adix4, how do you do a pull up? Yours is half pull up is it?
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weeks ago half pull sad.gif

and then when i ask for advice from my bro

he said better jatuh habis and then naik

and now doing full

oh btw my bro is doing bodyweight too
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Hoxy, thx for the tips on pull-ups. But screwed my back and brisk wlaking would be the only thing i'm able to do.

Regarding pranche (don't know what was that at first), looking at ur photo posted, only remind me of YOGA.Crane Post.

Haha.You can google it for sure.

The difference I see is that, for Yoga Crane Post, we spread our fingers as wide as possible, for better stability, then low crouch, try to put our legs on our armpit, and start to lift up the toes,hence leaving whole body weight on the arm. Definitely a difficult post.Can't conquer it.

Beginner will be deep toes, so only partial weight on the arms.

Intermediate will leaving only one of the front toes on ground, hence majority weight on the arms.

And beyond that, you see the complete CRANE post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVCtGDHiQs

I guess what you want should be slightly vary.Since last time,I showed this to my friend who practiced break dance. He showed "frog stand" which has slight different on where the knees are placed.
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I see a lot of crazy stuff already rclxms.gif

I'm just hanging out...

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muscle ups advice please

cannot angkat sampai atas idk why


Added on August 8, 2011, 2:43 pmso tadi go to the gym

bench press and then blackout

fuark man its hard for me to workout without food

so nampak gaya this month i go all calisthenics at night

brb muscle ups

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I am not sure what is the name of your exercise, if I'm going to take a guess to name it, it will be a tucked L sit on elbow. tongue.gif

I noticed the 45degree angle of the arm and the hollow position of the body (puncher body position taking a punch), both of which are our strongest body positions. I suspect you are mastering this move well now... cool!

Below are the link I know about L-sit tutorial

http://www.beastskills.com/tutorials/tutorials/36

Do you have any other useful link to share?
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Well as you've said there is no real name to it. Its just something I do once in a while smile.gif

As for the L-sit, to me it is really tough. When I'm lucky enough to get into a full L-sit position, I can only hold it for roughly 3 seconds.
If I can't get into it then will be tucked legs or I lean back slightly but with straight legs. Also I cannot do it on the floor yet. Must use push up bar.

I refer to "Building the Gymnastic Body" book for L-sit.

Just included australian pull ups(or incline rows) into my GTG routine. I do them using false grip. It is an easy way to begin training false grip.

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muscle up for the win. im also want to master at least 1 time muscle up ...
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done muscle ups just now

thanks to beastskills

but false grip makes my hand goes doh.gif
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what. is it that easy. i can do 12 pullups. but cannot do muscle up .. i will try the first exercise on my back day
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Australian pull up is sort of like horizontal pull up right?  I've got the book you mentioned too, will browse thru it later! After L-sit what's next? What are you trying to accomplish by getting L-sit? For me, I want to get tuck planche, crow stand, frog stand... for my planche. Do you have any bigger target?
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Yeah horizontal, but not fully. Heel still on floor of course. It's like step 2 in convict conditioning for pull ups progression.

I train to reach a good L-sit just to kill time. Its not taking up much energy or strength so I include it just for fun.

Back to the floor, I progressed to elevated push ups. It felt easier than normal push ups rclxub.gif

As for the gymnastics book, its best you have rings ready. I have checked, less than RM200 for a set shipped to Msia(the cheapest, most basic ring).
I might buy it in the near future. I think doing simple things like push ups with rings will make for a good challenge.
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Gymnastic rings are a good piece of equipment for training. They're challenging, but really fun at the same time. I would know since I used to do gymnastics. thumbup.gif
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Gymnastic rings are a good piece of equipment for training. They're challenging, but really fun at the same time. I would know since I used to do gymnastics. thumbup.gif
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Wow,this thread grow faster than my biceps do. LOLx.

Hoxy, I'm learning yoga as well, regarding those yoga you mentioned,are just variants of yoga, you are definitely suit Asthanga or the more common POWER YOGA. Similarly, these yogas required the strength especially tendons' and of course coordination and core strength.

And thanks for the McKenzie Back bend suggestion, you just enlighten me somehow.

There are so much strong peoples over here.

And Hoxy, you may form an elite force now.


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tomorrow morning i will take a picture of my dips station and also pull ups, HNNGGHHHH

show off time
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Owh my, I think I will lay low. I must be the weakest here.

Will train harder.

Someday join local bar-barian gang. Hoxy will be the leader biggrin.gif
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I got a friend who learn dancing very skinny and never been in strength training before and he can done with 5 muscles up proof to me..
damn
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I'm just being humble hehe smile.gif

My palm and fingers are tearing a bit due to door pull ups. Only way to do pull ups in the office.

When I'm 60+ years old I want to be just like this guy. Or more awesome than him. Either way.


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I did gymnastics from around when I was 7/8 till 12. Used to be able to do ring muscle ups because they're the starting movement of the routine usually. My best apparatus at the time were the rings, vault and P-bars. Floor wasn't one of my strong points, I could do front/back tucks but my back handsprings were pretty ugly. doh.gif

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For L-sits, these are relatively simple to progress with. The easiest way is to make sure you have 2 elevated platforms to place your hands on at your sides. You can start out by tucking in your knees and gradually working up to the point where you can keep your legs straight out and as high as possible.

As for handstands, definitely start out doing them against a wall with your face facing the wall. Gradually use less of the wall for support and more of your core, shoulders and legs to balance by only touching the wall with your toes. Then move on to doing it in an open space. You stand straight up first, then bend down and place both hands on the ground, and kick up with one leg. Your kick should be hard enough to get your first and 2nd leg up consecutively, but not so hard that it propels you forwards. A good way to progress with balance is to have someone stand next to you. You then kick up into a handstand and they will raise their arms straight out in front of themselves creating a sort of space in which your legs should be (feet should stick together). By doing this, if you fall forwards slightly, your feet will touch their arms and you'll know that you need to correct yourself, and vice versa if you fall backwards. If you begin to lean forwards, arch your back and try to push your stomach out. If you begin falling backwards, suck in your stomach until you return to the upright position.

I can't give any advice on planches, sadly. They're out of my league. blush.gif

Though, I need to stress, for flips, it is very important to have a spotter who knows what they are doing, OR have access to a gymnastic floor or sponge pit (usually in gymnasiums as well).
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Aug 9 2011, 12:16 AM)
Though, I need to stress, for flips, it is very important to have a spotter who knows what they are doing, OR have access to a gymnastic floor or sponge pit (usually in gymnasiums as well).
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When I was younger I tried to learn back flip on my own. 100s of tries on the bed. Thick with hard springs mattress.

A few days later with sore neck and back, I gave up.

QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 8 2011, 11:14 PM)
Awesome! Just too awesome! Respect!
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Speaking of awesome, this video pretty much is the awesome of awesome. Now I feel like training twice as hard(safely of course).



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Decided not to quote but can see lots of replies regarding flips.

I started flipping years ago, when my PE teacher "forced" us having gymnast lessons every week. And that is the time where I started to love FLIPPING.

But it's not easy to get that thick mattresses. And hence I stopped flipping.

And back to the time, I can only do a flip by assisted running. So I do respect each and every single guy that is able to just back flip or whatever flip by just simple movements.

Hoxy, sometimes tight/relax (muscles) in yoga simply means flexing or relax the muscles.So you may want to give it a try.

Btw, u guys may want to try Capoeira as well, which demand quite lots on lower body and lots of flipping of course.
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Hmmm, forgot to say, the video is epic! Is there anything more epic than that...? Keep 'em coming. smile.gif
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More epic? Ok.



If you notice properly, there is one part where you'll know she is close to attaining one arm chin up.

I feel totally entirely defeated by her.
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 9 2011, 09:57 PM)
Haha... yeah! This one counts too... although what she did in frame 42sec is actually not a one arm chin up but an assisted one arm chin up... it is still impressive. Not really expecting that from a girl that is really skinny, obviously strength is something we cannot guessed solely by physical appearance! Looks like it is a common advantage for skinny small people (like me), it is easier to conquer new bodyweight exercise. That is a fact!

I want more video! lol
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manage to do 1 time muscle up today. The problem with me is in the dip position where you push your body up. My right arm is not strong enough. Its weird because i am right handed. But still manage to do full muscle up. Try to do 2nd muscle up, no more energy. so fast energy finish. need to eat more carb or what .....
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thank you,

at first i tot muscle up is easy after watching the muscle up tutorial. My first time trying muscle up is after i completed my bodybuilding routine, chest and tricep day. I tried but I fail. Its because i feel really tired and energy drained alot from the chest and tricep exercises.

then i trid to attemp muscle up on my back day before i do any exercises. So have alot of energy. I follow the muscle up tutorial with some stretching and 8 pull ups. Dont want to waste too much energy doing 12 pull ups. Afraid later i will fail doing muscle up biggrin.gif so i jump to the pull up bar and when I swing back I pullup, but at the dip position I fail to lock and push up my body. Maybe im not ready at the 1st attempt. so I rest and analysed my last attemp. On the 2nd attemp, I successfully perform a full muscle up. yayyy ....

i think to do a muscle up, you have to have the explosiveness during the pull up. For beginner you need to kip yourself up so you can launch your body as high as you can to the lockup dip position and push your way up to complete a rep.

At one time, i think of doing what the girl in the video do. Pull up and lock your hand one at a time then push your body up biggrin.gif

btw: im quite a short guy at 165cm I think and 65kg weight

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hoxy, you are 1 strong and flexible dude... tried 1 arm pullup last Saturday with 190 pounds of bodyweight (gained a few pounds since last month), and i failed epicly tongue.gif, i start from dead hang, then up 1 rep, then down... i cant move anymore.... tongue.gif
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i start from dead hang, then up 1 rep, then down...
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shocking.gif Does this mean you completed a single rep of one arm pull up?

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Been doing elevated push ups for a few days, its becoming quite easy. Maybe elevated push up with a back pack on me filled with 10kg, slowly to 20kg.... then 30kg.
Not much ideas on progression so I will experiment with feet elevated weighted push ups soon.

Doing pull ups, push ups, dips and rows every hour is very punishing to the shoulders lol. Hopefully I can go though this early stage of strengthening the shoulders without injuring it. Need to be careful, else if I get shoulder tendonitis or screw up the rotators then gone case... sweat.gif

My shoulders got so sore that I have to return back to normal dips. Previously was attempting 1RM korean dips.

At this rate I'm not even sure when I can seriously start handstand training. Just tried handstand with wall assistance. Able to do a 3 half ROM headstand push up. I'm sure can get to a full headstand push up if I work on it more. Interesting beginning for me...

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@cyloh, I think korean dip is like bench dip, not all people will have a problem performing them, as long as you dont feel it affecting your shoulder or pec than it is OK. Everyone build is different.

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_fo...eps_exercises_1

http://turbulencetraining.blogspot.com/200...oss-muscle.html

Good thing on your push up progression. Soon enough you going to get the one arm push up. Idea would be to increase the leg elevation more, to do uneven push up, elevated feet uneven push up... you can try putting weight also... good luck!

Headstand push up? Whats that? Are you referring to handstand push up (wall assisted) instead?

@Alphaproject, picture of one arm pull up please? Lets make this a motivation for other heavier guy to do it also. Care to share how you progress to one arm pull up? 1 rep on 1 arm pull up is a LOT better than 100 two hand pull up in my book...

Thanks for the compliment, but you obviously are much stronger than me. I need to increase my strength! I have some idea that I'm going to tryout after this for my one arm chin up progression.

@kurtkob78, good explanation on the muscle up. I totally agree with your point. You are quite at the same height as me, but heavier.... interesting! Anyway, congrats again.
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Yeah it seems to be just me. I never started progression from bench dip. Felt very un-natural for me.
Worked on push ups then straight away went to bodyweight dips.

Headstand push up(HeSPU) is easier than handstand push up(HSPU). The ROM is cut down a lot. You can refer to the video below.



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Hey bros, how you guys managed to capture yourself a video or picture while working out?

Setting out timer?

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Hey bros, how you guys managed to capture yourself a video or picture while working out?

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Yeah timer with a surface or tripod will work. I usually get someone to take for me.

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Managed one headstand push up(wall assisted). Shaky rep but ok la, considering today is my first time in my life to even go upside down.

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Will reduce the angle and get closer to the wall in the future.

Elbows flared out too much also shakehead.gif will try to fix that too.

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Congrats! looks cool enough for me. Post a picture once you managed to get the elbow closer to body... awesome! You are progressing well, suspecting more picture coming from you from now onwards... smile.gif
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Video time. This guy kinda look like hoxy lol.

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 10 2011, 10:11 PM)
OK... very interesting video. Strong tricep.
I take video from a digital camera. Every picture is just a pause image of an actual video.

Negative One Arm chin up 1.25kg with chain

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Weighted Chin up 27.5kg with chain @ 51kg BW

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I did tried reduced ROM starting from top for one arm chin up, go down and go up again. Cant do it even if it is a reduced ROM. Looks like my real problem really on the top half. I think weighted negative one arm chin up is the way to go for now since I'm struggling at the top, the chain weigh more at the top and reduced as I go further down. Hope this setting will help me have more energy to focus at the top while progressingly getting easier as I go down the negative portion.

Sots press 40kg, not that bad... the strength is still there, it is not that bad as I think it was...

Towel Asissted One Arm Chin Up (10 Fist)

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I think doing the same and expecting the different result is really insanity. So today onward, I'm going to put some weight on my one arm negative. On top of that I'm going to use chain as my variable weight. Lets see whether this adjustment will make a difference moving forward...
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dayyyummmm, try explosive reps...controlling the desent (negative) and explode up... focusing on "reaching" the overhead bar...


Added on August 11, 2011, 9:10 amhoxy, will take pics next time tongue.gif , but dun laugh if my technique suck ass tongue.gif .... 1 rep are nothing to be proud of... in fact, im kinda embarrassed when mentioned it sad.gif


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Yeah timer with a surface or tripod will work. I usually get someone to take for me.

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Managed one headstand push up(wall assisted). Shaky rep but ok la, considering today is my first time in my life to even go upside down.

user posted image

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Will reduce the angle and get closer to the wall in the future.

Elbows flared out too much also  shakehead.gif will try to fix that too.
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good job buddy, i remember the first time i do this, i planted my face on the floor because of lausy technique blush.gif

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hoxy, will take pics next time tongue.gif , but dun laugh if my technique suck ass tongue.gif .... 1 rep are nothing to be proud of... in fact, im kinda embarrassed when mentioned it sad.gif
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You're too humble notworthy.gif

Very rare to find BBer at that BW that can manage 1 rep of one arm chin/pull up. Quite EPIC thumbup.gif

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Today I tried to mix it up. Attempted towel pull up but failed. Not that I don't have the power pull myself up, but somehow I don't know how to go up.
Perhaps train to grip the towel and dead hang first.

Then feeling bored I tried towel assisted 1 arm chin up(2 fist). Both sides. Chin nearly cleared the bar. 95% yo. This can be my aim in the future.
4 fist? Half ROM only.
6 fist? I stare at the towel and bar only.

Ok enough fun and trial, back to my strict routine.
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hoxy, cyloh, we are all still learning regardless of which level you are, there is always new things to try and to experience, we are all bodybuilders regardless of which method you use too... btw hoxy, im really impressed of the many technique chin up and pull up you perform...some i dun even know too tongue.gif
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btw handstand, i always jatuh now my kaki lebam lebam oredi terjatuh dekat bucu katil and all, need good advice
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That is true also, I'm a small bodybuilder... lol. I flex myself in front of mirror admiring my tiny bicep also... surely much smaller than you Alpha, by a lot of margin! lol

You like my variety? Let me see if I have anything in line to surprise you more... yeah, got more!

2 finger Regular Chin Up (believe me I tried to do it one finger it is impossible for me right now, especially on the bar. If on an eagle loop or a ring maybe can, maybe not...)

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2 finger Regular Pull Up

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Side to side pull up (after all that 4 step, go down, that is 1 rep!  lol)

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Weighted chin up (31.25kg, glad I still have the strength)

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I'm very pleased with my weighted chin up. My record is 37.5kg and ever since then I struggled to get 40kg and plateau ever since and lost the determination. Glad with the 31.25kg, quite satisfying starting level for me. I will build my strength back, will not slack off again now!!! Grrrr!!!
@adix4, I think you are doing it with your back facing the wall, instead do it like cyloh doing where your front facing the wall. smile.gif Or you can do the handstand on the bed instead? I used to do that when I was at secondary school... smile.gif

Or... do it somewhere else... lol
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Early this year I could not do a single rep of chin/pull up.

So I did a lot of lat pulldowns, even experimented with 1 arm lat pulldowns.
Went quite heavy in hopes it will give me my first chin up at least if not pull up.

Turns out there is very little carry over for me. I wasted 2 months on that and still no proper chin up or pull up.
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@cyloh, OK... so that is why we need to help share the experience around. You've been there not able to do pull up, now you can... you know what you did that really works. I hope we both learn new bodyweight exercise from time to time and then share the knowledge around. Everyone can do bodyweight exercise right?

You have progressed from no pull up to 20 pull up in a very short period? Damn! What is the secret?

The secret to towel pull up is... to do towel pull up. haha! I believed you already started to work on grip, other thing that you might overlooked is the wrist strength... work on it!

For the mean time, I'll do towel pull up, proper!

Towel pull up (30kg, new PR!)

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Haha yeah it was a long road of experimenting and time wasting to get my pull ups. In fact even convict conditioning progression wasted my time.
The moment I committed to doing negatives and half reps then my progress sky rocketed. Now I'm quite comfortable with chin ups, can do them slow
and enjoy it like meditating for each rep. Pull ups I'm still struggling due to weak forearm and lats, but at least got a few reps under my belt already.

You're scary hoxy. 30kg + your BW 52kg towel pull ups. I guess actually don't need to do gripper work but just train naturally to get strong grip.
Even now my gripper like collecting dust.

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Looking at your picture properly again I think I have an idea why previously I cannot pull myself up with a towel. It seems that your grip twisted on
the way up? Today is my rest day since right shoulder and elbow feels like going to get tendonitis. Tomorrow I will experiment.

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Hoxy, how much do you actually spend on the home gym?

You using olympic barbell, right?

Anyway, as I introduce you Ashtanga Yoga. I'm here to share one of the useful site for home learners to know more abt Ashtanga, at least for moves and postures.

http://www.ashtangayoga.info/practice/asana-sequences/

And a video of Power Yoga workout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZ2WHodLqQ


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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 12 2011, 11:00 PM)
CC main point is that you move like a turtle and will reach the ending point eventually. It hover around the idea of building tendon strength and being patience. We might have a good gain at the beginning at first by following other methods or skipping steps, but struggle on achieving the master step that eventually the guy on CC step-by-step will reached. A concept of building on momentum after momentum. Might work for others perhaps for the people on the heavy side...

But still, as I also mentioned before, for me... as you know, I tweak it to suit Pavel way, GTG!

Good choice on resting. If you need more rest take extra 1 day more, it wont hurt. Then go chase your new achievement, renewing target again and again and again. Sky is the limit.

Towel pull up can be used to train grip. It is more of a support grip strength. There is nothing else that will build crush grip strength compared to a gripper. Sell to me RM10! Sell it to a person who will use it with passion (like me), better yet... give me free!!! Just messing up with you. lol

I never thought about the hand twisting of the towel pull up, so it is really a combination of chin and pull up. I guess it is good that I share picture after all... it speaks for itself, and projected that it can be done, not impossible. Train overhand, underhand, in-between (like towel pull up), and mixed grip... then you will have a complete package. I think I did see people performing pull up on ring do this twisting, I guess it is normal after all...

So it is really not just me... negative and half rep really is the way to go for chin/pull up huh? Good to know!

Thanks for the compliment, keep 'em coming!
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do you have any idae a gripper cost?
a good gripper,not the rm5 i bought from tesco lol ..
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 12 2011, 11:00 PM)
Towel pull up can be used to train grip. It is more of a support grip strength. There is nothing else that will build crush grip strength compared to a gripper. Sell to me RM10! Sell it to a person who will use it with passion (like me), better yet... give me free!!! Just messing up with you. lol
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I can loan the ivanko to you indefinitely if you want.

GTG'ing every hour makes my grip stamina low, hence I can't focus on closing the ivanko anymore.
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@cyloh, deal! Lets plan to meet up later. I'll pm you later once I figured this out.

I agree that training the GTG grip tax the muscle a lot. It actually if done agressively intefere with other training, because we use our palm for nearly everything we do... I'll pm you later in this 2 week time. Thanks cyloh!
Quiz, where to do pull up if dont have any horizontal bar?

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Answer, wall pull up (I made the name myself!)

1) Search for spot!
2) Set yourself
3) Going up till top
4) Then go down!

Wall pull up, lol.

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Calisthenic, anywhere... anytime smile.gif
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Yeah sure just let me know when you need it.

As for the wall pull ups... damn hoxy you're becoming too ultimate. I have to say I'm seriously amazed with you ability to conquer pull/chin ups in any condition.

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Hoxy,that's insane. My mum will kill me for ripping the door frame off.LOLx.

Please put there, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME. LOLx.
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@cyloh, deal! Lets plan to meet up later. I'll pm you later once I figured this out.

I agree that training the GTG grip tax the muscle a lot. It actually if done agressively intefere with other training, because we use our palm for nearly everything we do... I'll pm you later in this 2 week time. Thanks cyloh!
Quiz, where to do pull up if dont have any horizontal bar?

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Answer, wall pull up (I made the name myself!)

1) Search for spot!
2) Set yourself
3) Going up till top
4) Then go down!

Wall pull up, lol.

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Calisthenic, anywhere... anytime smile.gif
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setting yourself up to be the best peeping tom, ever

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but seriously, good shit right there!
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cool2.gif Gonna buy some long towels next week yo. Steppin' up mah training whistling.gif

Is it possible to have a long strong towel and climb it? hmm.gif wanna try

This month no money buy gym rings, next month maybe no money also, towels will do...... after workout take one then go shower.
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How does he do it without hurting his manhood? I won't want to do explosive BW workout and have the full weight on my bulge.

But... I would like to get to his level. Functional strength and it has real life uses.

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How does he do it without hurting his manhood? I won't want to do explosive BW workout and have the full weight on my bulge.

But... I would like to get to his level. Functional strength and it has real life uses.
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You'd have to think of something that turns you off the absolute most, ie boner-killer. biggrin.gif

And I kind of pity the woman he gets into bed with. She'd wake up feeling really sore. laugh.gif
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You'd have to think of something that turns you off the absolute most, ie boner-killer.  biggrin.gif

And I kind of pity the woman he gets into bed with. She'd wake up feeling really sore.  laugh.gif
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Darn them towels, even trying to hang with them also very hard for me. Something feels un-natural. My body will swing around and also left and right can get uneven.

Does this mean my core or shoulders is not strong enough?
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I decide to stop follow this thread until I complete my cutting. ZZZ. INSANE!!!HOXY!
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haha. That's great for u bro. You can now doing more BW exercise. I will still come visit... once in a while. Crap. Working out wif back issues ain't fun at all. I still try hard to get the few BF% off.
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LOL. Yeah. I've see the "experts", somehow they said should be fine, but need to be careful, as if it's muscle hurt, scar tissue will form, and prone to injury. Had started these back exercises since last week. Thx,bro!
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 15 2011, 09:39 PM)
Dont la... please support this thread, else it will be a very lonely place for me and cyloh...

Good luck in your cutting! smile.gif I am already low at 50kg (after bukak puasa... imagine my weight during the morning while fasting, 48.5~49kg?)
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What's your height? I'm around 165cm with 49kg bw, and your strength are miles away from me man. When you do your exercise in fasting month? Currently trying to do the push up variation and improve my pull up.

My history are 44kg, bulk to 54kg with Ripptoes' Starting Strength and during Puasa last year my weight dropped 'til 48~kg.

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Do you guys run long distance? Good for developing stamina though.
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@cyloh, I am not sure which towel pull up version you are referring. But if you refer to the 1 towel version that I performed, as you can see, I do it from the side.

If your problem is not the starting position for both 1 towel and 2 towel version, and your problem is the going up version... I think you just need to work on it. I dont think it is shoulder or core problem, maybe your technique is not right. Perhaps the wrists are not strong enough that you move with an odd position trying to compensate...
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The 2 towel version, I can dead hang. The moment I start going up my body swing forward which makes me unbalanced and harder(a lot harder) to pull up.
As for the 1 towel version, I think simply I'm not strong enough yet to do it.

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One thing you should know about me is that I have an injured left leg and went for operation when I was 16 due to long jump.
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I want to know are you able to do pistol squat with that leg?

2 weeks ago I tried for the first time un-assisted pistol squats. My left survived and become stronger, right leg when fully squatted suddenly a loud pop and felt
like the knee rolled a bit. Now I'm recovered from that weird accident but it never feels right to squat 1 legged with the right leg anymore.

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My push up progress stopped. I decided to have intermission phrase. Now just doing whatever my mood feels like. From normal push ups to dive bomber to uneven push ups.
Didn't feel like going hardcore uneven push ups yet. Now want to enjoy the different types of push up first flex.gif

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@hoxy

I tried around half and hour before iftar and its killing me. Will try around 1-2hours after iftar tonight. Feels like I'm going to have a fever, would want to sweats more.

I'm not sure I've mastered anything on the push up lol. Trying the different feeling of closer hands, wide legs, closer legs thingy first. Tried diamond hands and close legs few days back, I can hardly do two reps. Damn sad. If you need to know, I hardly bench a 50kg for 5 reps the last time I've been to the gym. Pull up however, I am improving on the reps, currently be able to do around 5 reps deadhang.
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@hoxy

I tried around half and hour before iftar and its killing me. Will try around 1-2hours after iftar tonight. Feels like I'm going to have a fever, would want to sweats more.

I'm not sure I've mastered anything on the push up lol. Trying the different feeling of closer hands, wide legs, closer legs thingy first. Tried diamond hands and close legs few days back, I can hardly do two reps. Damn sad. If you need to know, I hardly bench a 50kg  for 5 reps the last time I've been to the gym. Pull up however, I am improving on the reps, currently be able to do around 5 reps deadhang.
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You should be proud of what you can already do and work on it with a steady pace smile.gif

I can't do diamond push ups for even 1 rep. To bench 50kg will crush me. My collarbone injury from young means dead hang chin/pull ups are not ideal.
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Perfect. Thanks for allowing others including myself to add in other related topic to make things more interesting in this thread.

It must be excruciating experience for you lor. Long jump that got you operation must be nerve wrecking back then.

Your program looks hardcore but rewarding I suppose, need a lot of strength to do. Some of the work out could be extra + for my tennis & badminton. Running always my favorite cos can release tension and calm my inner body and mind. Another way to gain stamina by using weight is to do high repetition with lighter weight right?
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 16 2011, 06:31 PM)
Your pull up also quite ok what... for tips on increasing pull up rep, ask cyloh. He has proceeded to do none pull up beginning this year to 20rep! Definitely doable if that is your goal...

Wah... you got injury too? So does push up hurt you? How about the close hand to the body variation, are you able to do it without discomfort?
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LOL since when I mentioned I can do 20reps of pull up? But then again I can do more than that. Just not how people imagine it to be only tongue.gif

Yeah I have collarbone fracture on the left side since high school. It healed a bit wrongly(senget), so left and right collarbone big difference now.

For push ups I prefer to do close hand width actually compared to the normal one you see everywhere. No discomfort no matter what type I do.

For dips, when I first started I felt like my collarbone(both) want to snap lol. But in time I strengthened myself and now dips no issues also.

But unfortunately chin/pull ups I don't want to dead hang due to the past collarbone injury. My left shoulder has issues because of that.
If I force it my left shoulder will grind and pop all the way up and right shoulder will over compensate for the weaker and odd left.
I can deadhang chin/pull up, just don't want to so I usually start hanging with my shoulders and arms already engaged.
Like starting 10% into the chin/pull up already.

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Yeah... use this thread. Imagine a scenario, you ask a girl/guy to sit on your back, you do squat, then you walk maybe 10meter, while still carrying the baggage, you do pull up. Wow right! All being done without equipment whatsoever... yeah, impressive to me. Definitely can discuss this here!
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Haha such is reserved for oldtime strongmen. Jasper Benincasa, did an Iron Cross with a person holding on to his legs.

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What? Really? That is insane! Do you have picture of him doing it?
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Those times really they never take photo or video. Its just documented or via interviews only. You can have a look at this link rclxms.gif
http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/Chinups.html

Infact it is rumored that Jasper Benincasa did an impossible lever called "Close to Impossible".

Good squats! Weighted is so tough to add to pistol. Did you buy a lot of kettlebells from Fitness Concept lol?
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Supersetted push up, squat and hammer curls just now. Oh God how that's tiring! Fyi, my stamina is like 1% only.
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'One-finger-one-arm front lever on a ring'

WHAT THE F%@#% @#%@ @^%@#% ?! I can't even picture that in my mind! rclxub.gif
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Supersetted push up, squat and hammer curls just now. Oh God how that's tiring! Fyi, my stamina is like 1% only.
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Keep it up bro! Try hammer curl to overhead press for better effect biggrin.gif

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lol, yeah... I have kettlebell before I have my power rack and olympic barbell. I bought it at fitness concept. Now the those 4 pcs kettlebell is worthless to me... I need 24kg and 32kg version instead. I'm only interested in doing kettlebell swing with these babies... 10+8kg on both hand is not enough already... sad. I will accept it if anyone want to exchange kettlebell with me!

Jasper Benincasa record is truly remarkable! Inhuman!

I'm really tired of handstand training. Being upside down and keep on failing, it is really discouraging and taxing the body a lot... I'm very tired now. Going to sleep like a baby! Damn it handstand! Sigh~
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I have long way to go with handstand. Still rely on the wall.

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Able to hold up to 5 seconds each. Can do better but I've been doing it a lot for the entire day so I'm tired and slacking off form already.
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This one is one of my progression I'm working on. Guess where this will ultimately lead to? Can hold this more than 10seconds.
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The one leg exercise is quite bad for the knee in the long run. But will try to do it:) Now so early still feeling blur **
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This is only if you have a weak link in your posterior chain causing the knees to pitch in for support, or if your form is bad. Same thing for regular squats.
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Ok fair enough.

My physical training for my game is perform 80% full stretch lunges on each leg and follow by one squat. After that I'll bend my leg to 45 degrees or lower and jump slow. Then do the 'zap ma' (cantonese) for as long as I could tahan. Then Calf raise at the staircase for about 30 times. Rest for like 10 minutes drink some water then do leap jumping start off with my leg 45 degrees also then up I go in the air. Until I fatigue. Repeat the whole process 3 sets. This is what I normally do at home. But on tennis court the drills and training is 2x tougher and harder T.T but really good!
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What do you do for your upper body development?
Anyway, today is cuti! Bored!
I noticed some of the our bar brother doing a cross at the bar, thought of doing it just now. Dont know what it need to be properly called.

Need-help-on-naming-this-workout (google help required!)

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Managed to do 2 rep. Whole 2 rep done while airborne...
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Call it poor man's cross? Or some sort of lat/shoulder muscle up lol.

Looks like when you get your hands on a pair of rings, you might get the iron cross easily.

My shoulders are so sore from playing around one arm handstand(wall assisted). It is definitely not something you want to do every hour.

I'll be laying low, its about time to return to some training with weights as it complements some of the BW workouts.

PS: I just notice no one in the world has done towel muscle ups. 1 or 2 towel version I cannot find mentioned or documented on the net. Hoxy? brows.gif
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What do you do for your upper body development?
Anyway, today is cuti! Bored!

I noticed some of the our bar brother doing a cross at the bar, thought of doing it just now. Dont know what it need to be properly called.

Poor man's cross (thanks cyloh!)

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Managed to do 2 rep. Whole 2 rep done while airborne...
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i think you can climb a vertical building with no harness and yes, with your bare hands brah...
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Hoxy, that video of yours should be in Challenges thread aswell.
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Thanks Majinity, I will consider it!
So here goes... I demonstrate diamond push up for rep for once and only. I rarely do anything for reps. I rarely go beyond 5rep on anything I do due to my strength goal. I never train this rep scheme and dont plan to do it in near future too smile.gif. I dont like doing it for rep either... I rather try 1 arm push up for rep (which I cant!). That's just me... smile.gif


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Wonderful form! Too bad I still can't do diamond due to wrist injury from arm-wrestling. Its going to be 2 months now, still sharp bone pain at ulna bone connecting to wrist area. Owh well.

Keep up with the vids!! biggrin.gif
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NICE on the diamond push up! Been testing it before, but I hear popping sound on my right risk. Don't dare do it again. Will just try something else for push up for tonight.

I really afraid of injuries, feels really bad when read on someone's injury history. Sorry to hear that cyloh, hope everything good soon.
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Hoxy

Y U NO BULK????

puasa and lost 4kg now i'm 57+ something

need to get to 61

i look like a meth addict now sad.gif

btw focusing on Planche and Handstand till Septmebre


Added on August 18, 2011, 8:20 pmHoxy

Y U NO BULK????

puasa and lost 4kg now i'm 57+ something

need to get to 61

i look like a meth addict now sad.gif

btw focusing on Planche and Handstand till Septmebre

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@cyloh, done! Epic movie delivered! I decided to inspire people more with video... will keep uploading video. Calisthenics rock!


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Ini... sudah terlampau epic..... sweat.gif

I think I can only do the table version as my posted pic. Doubt can do your version which is much harder and looks way cooler.
Damn. You might make me cannot sleep thinking about how cool that move is and how to work towards it.

Must calm myself down and make sure not rush to chase u and get injured.
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NICE on the diamond push up! Been testing it before, but I hear popping sound on my right risk. Don't dare do it again. Will just try something else for push up for tonight.

I really afraid of injuries, feels really bad when read on someone's injury history. Sorry to hear that cyloh, hope everything good soon.
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Tomorrow gonna start my journey to train towards a dragon flag. Have been ignoring my fat, flabby and weak midsection for too long.
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Imagine the possibility of calisthenics!
I imagine all the time drool.gif daydream of its possibilities. Sometimes get quite silly but it is fun.

Muscle up to front flip
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QUOTE(cyloh @ Aug 19 2011, 06:23 AM)
I imagine all the time  drool.gif  daydream of its possibilities. Sometimes get quite silly but it is fun.

Muscle up to front flip
Plyometric push up to full stand
Pistol squat jump to one arm chin up


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Bloody hell video.
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Haha totally understand your point of view. There is the one time I was doing uneven push ups in the park. This muscular dude tried to 1 up me and attempt a 1 arm push up. First rep his face eat the floor very hard.

As for group, in Taman Ampang Hilir there is already a group of young teens specialize in pull ups. They have just started not long ago I think as I only see them doing basic pull up types. I guess I do envy their young age and stamina, they keep doing 5~6 reps rest 5 mins and then go again.... for hours. Only thing I hate about them is they pretty much hang out at the bar and hog it already.

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Ohhh I just tried dragon flag(negative portion). Fun fun fun! Much more fun than knee tucks or crunches.
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After seeing these videos and especially the last video, tried doing backbend, then I realised what this is all about for me. Having the power to fully control your body, stabilize them, and improve strength. I have a hard time trusting myself, my own body, to be able to control and stabilize them properly. I'm going to keep practicing this and keep my gym timetable. Great, this is just great!
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Hoxy baby

eh where did u get the belt for weighted chin ups and stuff

malas pakai gym belt later rosak


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QUOTE(Majinity @ Aug 19 2011, 12:25 PM)
After seeing these videos and especially the last video, tried doing backbend, then I realised what this is all about for me. Having the power to fully control your body, stabilize them, and improve strength. I have a hard time trusting myself, my own body, to be able to control and stabilize them properly. I'm going to keep practicing this and keep my gym timetable. Great, this is just great!
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@Majinity smile.gif. You are most welcome! I am just sharing the knowledge... you can contribute too. Keep working out and get us updated on your progress!

@adix4, egonutrition the curve. Go get it and show me what you are made of... smile.gif

@cyloh, picture!!!
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@adix4, no need to waste money buying the leather ones... buy poly... follow what your leader buy, ada paham? tongue.gif
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i buy from u second hand for RM20 la

u got beast skills oredi

u can strap it with tali rafia whistling.gif
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Crow stand?
first time doing it, at least i dint plant my face on the floor lol

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Tuck Planche
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Hehe bata... wasnt really expecting you to post smile.gif. Tuck planche is meant to do with straight hand instead of bend elbow. Do it again and post and updated picture... good job! smile.gif
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inshalla by today or trow i will camwhore my

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PROGRESSION.

oh btw bonus pictures after this

i manage to make my cat do 5 cat pull ups

srs, later i upload

now perut full, lepas taraweekh i berlakon kejap depan camera

btw awsm korean dips <3 wub.gif wub.gif



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Long time no post,Bros!!!

Is it normal to twist body for the 1 arm-pushup? I was sumhow struggle to keep the body straight.

And regarding abs wheel,I didn't have that.So i text core strength by doing abs plank.I tried to hold one for 90sec...But still now 70 plus seem to be my max.Tried elevated abs plank,30 sec will cause me sweat like a bull.

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When i was younger (lol im 17 now -___-), i used to be able to do the tuck planche for about 1 min. Dunno about now tongue.gif
Those "Korean dips" looks like its gonna rip your shoulders off .__.
And of course the standing abwheel rollout. Never tried em, but i've heard they are SUPER hard.

EDIT: i can also do the 1-arm pushup, but my legs are a bit wider than shoulder-width. Hoxy, try the 1-arm divebomber pushup! its hard! Check it out on Beastkills.com under the tutorial for one-arm pushups.

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my Cat, Cat Herman progression on muscle ups

have troubles with his paws, should have done false grip
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Haha... I think the overly ambitious cat need to reduce the excessive fat on the tummy. Form is perfect, tummy is getting on the way. Strength-Bodyweight ratio rule... lose the weight!

@adix4, mane gambar/video progression? I want to review it! smile.gif
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 20 2011, 11:34 PM)
Uik... mane handstand tu? Haha...

L-sit can hold how many second already?

I cant advice much on both handstand and L-sit because I cant do them also! Beginner phase... smile.gif

Planche... where?
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btw L Sit tuck lebih dari seminit

straight leg 20 sec maxx

straight leg kalau letak tangan atas lantai 5 saat, kalau atas push up bars lama sikit

Handstand, still wall handstand
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Gosh,the one leg squat and shrimp thingy caused me to sweat like hell.Get only half the range of motion.Zzz... SHIT!!!
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Handstand ko lebih kurang same performance dgn aku la... maybe better. I s!ck at handstand.

BTW, dah try L-sit tadi... will upload video in a short while, ahaks! smile.gif What is the standard for this? What is consider beginner, intermediate, advance? I know from Coach Sommer "Building the Gymnastic Bodies", the aim is 1 minute. Any other standard you know of?

BTW, mirin' tu ape?
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kalau dapat at least straight kan kaki level 2

kalau sampai kaki naik atas atas level 3
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Yay... still new to L-sit, thought of doing it seeing interest by cyloh and adix4. Sharing my progress... how is the form? Ugly? Is this valid level 2 (coach sommer progression model)?



L-sit is tough... how to aim for 60sec la wei?  flex.gif
@adix4, mirin' tu ape?
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mirin' tu admiring

btw try tucking in dulu lepastu keluarkan satu kaki, and then satu lagi kaki

aku suggest kau L sit tuck in dulu

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lepastu dah rasa awesome

keluarkan satu kaki, lepastu dah rasa awesome

baru dua dua buat

pakai push up bar helps actually
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Tried the L-sit with no knowledge, and its painfull on my quads. My wrist not able to fully support my body, how do I improve on this? And thanks for the beastskills site, there's some tutorials I could follow.
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Take the training slowly and follow beastskill@coach sommer progression model from the very beginning... little variation on leverage is a big thing in bodyweight exercise. So just begin with the tuck version... slowly build the tendon strength for wrist and allow for gradual adaptation of your quad. I think it is good you try to progress with pistol at the same time also... never know doing l-sit affect the quad... maybe actively thinking straightening the leg, with toes pointing might help...

Suddenly everyone want to do l-sit ke? lol

To develop wrist strenght:

1) Isometric exercise. (eg. go to a wall, push your wrist to the wall, modify leverage to increase difficulties)
2) Frog stand
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4) Sledgehammer levering
5) Wrist push up (kneeling, toes)

Strengthening the wrist takes time, it is tendon strength. Be patience, dont rush it. This will take a lot of time.
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now want to train handstand lah since today is rest day, tomorrow is shoulder and back day
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The pain I had with my quads, most probably because I'm too concentrate of wanting my legs to be straight at the starting point. Tried them out again after looking over beastskills, I'm pretty good. But couldn't do it long as my wrists are not strong enough, particularly my right wrist seems to be hurting the most.

Tried frogstand, hardly be able to stabilize myself. Takut sangat jatuh muka dulu at the same time tak terangkat kaki. I have to practice slowly to be more confident of myself. Those tiger push up or five fingers push up is pain on my thumb, but it felt good man. The wrist push up is scary, I wouldn't want to do that just yet. And will keep doing dumbbell wrist curl.

Fasting month didn't go to the gym yet, so I wish to fully utilize my boring time with calisthenics. Althought I wouldn't want to tire my body, would just do it 1-2 reps if I could for anything!
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 21 2011, 05:53 PM)
@Majinity, yeah do what works for you. 1-2 rep on anything you do with perfect form is better than many reps of hideous and incomplete form smile.gif. It is also a strength training oriented style...  any chance of a picture update?
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@Majinity, if your wrist is hurt... you need to learn to back off, training to failure is training to fail. smile.gif

Looking forward for the picture.
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Yeah, stop hand stuff. Just now tried squat pistol. Freakin' pain man! Right leg with unperfect form, can do one or two like that but when I getting back up I need to do a little jump. I did 45 degrees angle for my feet, is it okay? I have small feet, I get better balance on 45 degrees. Unlike my normal squat, normally I did 30 degrees I think. While left leg, unperfect form I did go down but couldn't go back up. This is fun bahahaha!
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Good job!

I tried doing a double clap pushup a long time ago when I did gymnastics. Ended up doing a faceplant. laugh.gif
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It should be imperfect instead of unperfect right? Read it again, and my english sucks. Thanks for the heads up on the negative, will try them next time.
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Hoxy, your dragon flag and L-sits are looking quite good. Infact I can't even do L-sit without push up bars. As for dragon flag, I don't straighten my legs yet. Still curled up on the way up and on the way down slowly. Next step will be to straighten one leg only... then both. Sounds like front lever progression already lol.

GTG punished my whole body badly. I guess it will take sometime for my body to adjust and get used to working out regularly throughout the day each day. As for now, I sometimes need to rest 1~2 days. I might look into doing yoga as some form of active recovery(don't know if its a good idea or not).
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Just basic yoga first, nothing crazy. Pokok pose, sun salutation etc etc only.

Chin ups leveled up already. Can do full dead hangs. Pull ups still can't. Slowly but surely will be able to.
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@Majinity, that is why it is called progression. You need to figure out how to progress to full 1 leg squat... and when you can do it, you need to be able to do it with perfect form. You can point your feet anyway you want, but your knee need to point at the same direction as your feet all the time. You can progress to full 1 leg squat thru what you just described... but to declare you get it is to do it nicely without the jumping part. smile.gif

I get my 1 leg squat by doing multiple angle 2 leg isometric hold while taking bath everyday. People go out of bathing feel cold, I finish my bath feeling hot, hot, hot. Calisthenics... train anytime? True or not?

Glad you like calisthenics... it is suppose to be that way! Keep us updated on your progress. I want picture!
Not interested in strength by doing one arm push up? How about some explosive power? Strength is useless without power too...

So... plyometric push up for you! I can manage 2 clap as of now. 3 clap... need to wait until my teeth broken until I get it! I'm not explosive enough... yet!

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Congrats! Any chance of video/camera girl making her appearance taking your progress update? tongue.gif
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Nope she not around.

I am very weak. Can do few push ups only. Nothing special.

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Your form is perfect! Good job on doing it slow for increasing intensity.  thumbup.gif
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Thanks hoxy. I do all my push ups this way. Medium speed to slow and at least one part of my face must touch(or very nearly touch) the floor then only I will
consider it a rep completed. I guess this personal standard is the same reason why I can't do more than 20 push ups.

Core still needs some work though, I see ways to improve my push ups slightly better thanks to recording and reviewing it.
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abang hoxy

i'm going to do back lever today on a dips bar

my home made dips bar agak tinggi btw

so.... any advice?



i find that masa my kaki already naik atas, i don't have the guts to turun habis sampai belakang, takut tangat cabut


Added on August 23, 2011, 1:19 pmok tadi aku dah buat back lever main pusing pusing


benda pertama mesti ada confidence..... second baru skills and technique

kalau aku ada time aku record and upload petang ni

THIS IS SO MUCH FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 23 2011, 07:19 PM)
Cewah~ laju plak tibe2 upload video... haha. OK2... bagus la... cantik dah tu, nanti upload la progress picture/video from time to time. Congrats on "skinning the cat"!  thumbup.gif

BTW, ko punye bar tu thick bar tau. Seriously... kalau ko selalu exercise dekat bar camtu... grip ko akan jadi power without spending time on gripper. Nanti bile rumah aku siap aku akan buat satu pull up station (outdoor) dgn bar yg tebal camtu...

Ko buat muscle up dekat situ jugak ke? Respect!

Ko duduk kat mane? Kawasan cam best je!
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aku buat musccle up dekat tempat dip station aku

kalau kau tengok betul betul ada satu lagi bar untuk pull ups kat atas

tapi takleh buat pasal ada atap lol boleh pull ups je

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Haha the cat see him do skin the cat. Epic.
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 23 2011, 07:43 PM)
Yah... thought the same thing too! very funny, if he fall, fall on top of the cat... how? lol
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my cat pandai timing one, sometime he did some muscle ups when i'm away

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Selamat berbuka puasa... aku dah kenyang dah kat sini. Baru refill energy utk exercise lagi mlm ni.

Bagus betul environment ko utk buat calishenic ni.

Aku dah agak dah ko ni mesti belaja UIA, buat video hitler subtitle cam haram... tergelak2 aku lawak. Tingkat 4 la ape la... cam haram!

Skang cuti la ni ye kat kuantan? Nanti kena pindah UIA kuantan ke? Dekat dah tu!

Tunjuk la plak camne ko buat pull up...  nampak cam tinggi je bar tu... maybe angle kot~
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course aku dekat Gombak bro, Kuantan punya for meds student je

esok la aku tunjuk, aku buat 3/4 video ke, malam takleh lighting gelap kat luar

kalau handstand boleh la kot laugh.gif

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hi hoxy, great thread you have here, learned a lot
one question, how do i properly pull up with my back, as in how do i fully activate my back? cause i don't really feel my back when i pull up, only my hands, normal? i understand that the back muscle is bigger than the arm, so it might be because of it. or i'm not pulling up correctly.


Added on August 23, 2011, 10:43 pmone more thing, where did you get your dip belt and how much is it?

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1-2) understood
3) what do you mean by put more pressure on little finger? like holding the bar tight?
4) heh, nv did lats pull down, love pull ups more
5) is it ok to do pull ups with assisted machines? like those you kneel on it and the weights help you up

hmm, so calisthenic in short in strength building and flexibility? anything you can do with your body to show strength and flexibilty, correct?
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 23 2011, 11:09 PM)
1-2) understood
3) what do you mean by put more pressure on little finger? like holding the bar tight?
    Yeah... imagine a force coming down on the finger. Now imagine putting more force on the little finger... not sure how to say the message any other way.
4) heh, nv did lats pull down, love pull ups more
    Good! Stay the h!ll away from it! smile.gif
5) is it ok to do pull ups with assisted machines? like those you kneel on it and the weights help you up
    Not sure... may work, I never tried it. But, I would say if you are too heavy... lose the weight. Strength can be build by doing negative. Please abuse the  negative for your own good. cyloh can attest to this..

Calisthenics is everything you said. It is so much fun when done by combining different sets of skill and show it off outside in random local park. Conquer your own body... you own body can give you all the resistance you want on every single angle you could ever imagined untouched on other training implement. I wont say as far to discard anything else... but for you to open your eyes and accept that calisthenics has it placed. It can be as hard as you want, as easy as you want, as fun as you want, you can do anywhere, anytime... and you dont have to worry about gigantic weight falling to your body, you only have your own body to be worried. Safe? Hell yeah!

I've seen enough comment mentioning bodyweight exercise easy, I'll set an example that it is not the case with this thread. Join? Subscribe? lol smile.gif
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5) will ditch the freaking machines i guess, am weighting 71kg, 175 cm. not heavy
aight, i got it, will try it tomorrow.
thanks man smile.gif
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 23 2011, 11:25 PM)
OK... strength is not build overnight... progress to it slowly and trust the negative. smile.gif

Looking forward for your update in weeks to come. smile.gif Good luck!

Going to sleep since I dont see a sign of adix4 video! tongue.gif
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Sorry Hoxy, maybe hari ni pun cannot upload because before Iftor is Arms and Chest day

usually on this day i can't even due one pull ups after this workout

maybe on my rest day that is Thursday i will show you my Day 2 Progression

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Slowly as the days, weeks, months go by.... centimeter by centimeter, inch by inch get you legs closer to each other as you get stronger.

Who knows within a year(or less??? shocking.gif ) you will be the first in the world to do a perfect regulation one arm push up on the floor.
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esok pagi i have nothing to do Hoxy

maybe train for back lever part 2

and also L Sit yeah
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Aug 27 2011, 11:00 PM)
Sharing my progress video on advanced tuck planche. Need to work on getting more time hold on this one...

It is really HARD for me to do this... how is my form?


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buat frog stand dulu instead of tuck planche


Added on August 28, 2011, 5:51 amprogression dia camni

1. Frog Stand ( belajar balance, letak bantal depan kau lol )
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Introducing my new toy... build it myself just now!

A paralletes!

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berapa RM doh kau buat?

i mean cost assemble apa semua, aku nak budgeting lol

aku teringin nak buat tapi malas since aku dah ada push up bars


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Aku kan ade video aku buat tuck planche hold for time... frog stand lagi la, aku dah master dulu sebelum aku buat tuck planche... skang ni dah masuk advanced tuck planche punye progression pulak...

Post la video planche ko... kat tahap mane dah? Still frog stand atau dah advance abis dah?
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aku dah boleh buat perfect planche tuck planche lagi

nanti aku masa raya bosan bosan buat

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Tak tahu detail part by part price... aku rembat je lepas tu bayar.

Ade la dalam Rm50~70 abis. Aku rase patut lagi murah sebab penyambung tu kedai first aku beli jual RM3, tapi kedai second aku pegi jual dalam RM1.50 kot.

Aku pun ade push up bar tu... tapi ade parallete lagi bagus, so aku buat la... tak tau ape nak buat hari ni... lol.

Ooo, still baru blaja nak buat tuck planche ke... OK2 pelan2 la... mende camni amik mase!
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bagi link please lol
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That looks to me like a semi-handstand pushup-planche kind of thing! Impressive! rclxms.gif
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What is this workout called?

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man, i wish i would build meself a parallel dip bar... awesome Hoxy, btw, Selamat Hari Raya Maaf Zahir Batin (i hope i said it right biggrin.gif )
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Don't know if you've tried this, but a good way to gain the core strength in general, and for the planche using your parallel bars is to go from the L-sit position into either the tuck planche or straddle planche positions, holding it for a couple seconds at each part of the movement. It really tests your stability and core.
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Don't know if you've tried this, but a good way to gain the core strength in general, and for the planche using your parallel bars is to go from the L-sit position into either the tuck planche or straddle planche positions, holding it for a couple seconds at each part of the movement. It really tests your stability and core.
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if i do that at my local ghetto gym...

1) the trainer there would ask me "are you ballin"? ( i know ballin suppose to be use if somebody flashed a bling, but in this case, i show off streght)

2) the ppl at the gym will "stop and stare"~~~
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lol, yeah... I have kettlebell before I have my power rack and olympic barbell. I bought it at fitness concept. Now the those 4 pcs kettlebell is worthless to me... I need 24kg and 32kg version instead. I'm only interested in doing kettlebell swing with these babies... 10+8kg on both hand is not enough already... sad. I will accept it if anyone want to exchange kettlebell with me!

Jasper Benincasa record is truly remarkable! Inhuman!

I'm really tired of handstand training. Being upside down and keep on failing, it is really discouraging and taxing the body a lot... I'm very tired now. Going to sleep like a baby! Damn it handstand! Sigh~
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Lol hoxy your progress too fast. I simply can't catch up.

Anyways, your one arm chin up is pretty much close to a full clean rep. Keep it up, it is nearer than ever this time! thumbup.gif

I know you're excited and want to get it down, and once attained you might bomb out GTG reps.... but beware of tendonitis yah smile.gif

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Solid basics(in terms of strength requirements) is more important for me now than trying 10s of different moves or static holds.

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Looks like you're getting the hang of it hoxy. Don't ignore the other arm though! tongue.gif
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I should go to the playground some time to try out muscle ups. I've never tried them in the gym since there's a light only 1 foot above the pullup station, so if I were to try a muscle up, I'd end up with my head in the light. doh.gif
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hi again hoxy, i'm doing quite well with my pull-ups.
what should i move on to next? i saw your vids of back lever etc, like gymnastics, very interested.
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Good advices man. Keep it up! =)
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Weighted pull up (27.5kg @ 50.3kg BW, 54.67% BW) mega_shok.gif


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That thing dangling down really annoys me when I'm trying that out lol...

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I'm going to assume you are referring to the dip belt instead of that other "thing"! tongue.gif

Yeah... there is 2 way to wrap up the dip bar around the waist. I used to loop it back to the chain origin. So that means as if I have a "weight belt" wrapping me... as I go up the wrap become tighter... it is really an advance adjustable automatically tightening weight belt version of dip belt. It is the ultimate performance booster, because the midsection pressure keep increasing, a real ever increasing strength amplifier! I have my previous PR by doing this wrap style. The problem is as the weight gets heavier... the wrap become really tight, like really really tight...

So ends up I changed the wrap style to not going back to the chain origin. Suddenly my performance drop... somemore using this style I have to spread my leg a bit to not allow the belt to slip down. If you notice... everytime I exert max strength (refer to my OAC progression), I will automatically spread my leg. It looks ugly... I have to purposely think of having my leg close to each other everytime I try OAC.

Either way, weighted chin/pull up is not easy. Seriously by standing with those weight on dip belt dangling on your waist tax the body a lot. It is annoying... understandable... especially because it zapped your energy away from the real thing you going to achieve, a weighted chin/pull up. Glad you understand this... lol.
Keep the support coming guys! I'm the kind of guy who feeds on challenge and support. There is only one way for me... to go up the strength ladder! Serious!

Weighted chin up (35kg @ 50.3kg, 69.58% BW)  ph34r.gif


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Haha! Of course I was referring to the dip belt. It just makes me feel clumsy having that thing dangling here and there. I've only tried with 10lbs - seriously need to stabilize it more instead of just churning up. I did think of wrapping the weight belt around me... but then I realize that I would usually jump down and bend my body slightly. Then I reckon it would cause some discomfort when landing.

The only resolution I had used for the time being is to clip the weight with my pair of legs so that it doesn't wiggle or dangle freely lol. But again, when I get up to the bar, I somehow would free my legs. Gotta work on that more smile.gif
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There are many pull up and chin up variation, you might try those... please refer back to 1st page smile.gif. I also personally feel everyone who can do strict pull up can do muscle up. But need explosiveness in movement. That would be your next step, develop the strength by doing different variation of pull/chin up and mixed slow and fast movement to develop strength and explosiveness. Then if you feel comfortable, you can try muscle up... we have a discussion about that pages back with some good muscle up tutorial video available. Beastskill website is also a good reading material.

You can try front lever... I am still new to this, so it might be interesting for you to follow what I do... it is like having a partner to motivate yourself. Doing this has my lat screaming for help, screaming for strength and power. Seriously I can now understand why other has testified their pull/chin up improve while doing nothing else than front lever. Front lever is one of the best way to develop lats. Static hold is front lever. Dynamic movement is pull/chin up. Combine both... you'll be superman in no time! smile.gif
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aight, thanks.
beastskill huh? you refer mostly from there? will look up.
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Actually gymnastic rings as long as the strap is well build and the ring is hardened well then I don't mind any brand even the cheapest. You can do a search in google, I believe you can snatch a set within RM200+-

If they do not ship to msia, that is not an issue either, you can arrange that with some people in service noticeboard here that help buy from US and ship here safe and sound. Only problem since they do it bulk then shipping will take up to 3 weeks.

I recently just leveled up to able to perform full dead hang pull ups. So now dead hang chins and pulls are not a problem. Only time will give me more reps smile.gif

Now about buying gym rings, this month's finance does not allow me yet. Next month then can la.
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Done! I've confirmed payment for EXTREME gymnastic ring. It felt right! Not looking back anymore~
Anyone has any update on progress? Workout harder guys!
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How much for everything(plus shipping)?

Looks like iron cross is not a distant dream anymore once this thing arrive. And you can do muscle ups anytime!
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been reading since page 1 and boy, there's a lot of posts..

anyway, i just started doing Calisthenics since middle of this year, mostly push-ups with different variations, diamond, shoulder-width, wide. with elbows out and tucked in. but lately i've been hitting a plateau for a few weeks now.

atm, i'm do the following sets with 1 minute rest in between reps

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nowadays, when i do the last 2 sets, which is 12 and 11, my arms will go numb towards the end of my reps, which makes me unable to finish the set. what's going on?

my usual training days are sun (after my basketball game in the evening), tue, thu (after my tennis game at night).


Added on September 6, 2011, 9:52 amohh yah, there's a monkey bar at the playground where i play my bball.

it's kinda low, so i need to curl up my legs when i deadhang. so far, i can only do 1 chin-up regularly, but when i'm fully warmed up, i can push for 3, but it's freaking tiring on the whole body.. are you supposed to engage all your muscles when you do chin-ups?

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been reading since page 1 and boy, there's a lot of posts..

anyway, i just started doing Calisthenics since middle of this year, mostly push-ups with different variations, diamond, shoulder-width, wide. with elbows out and tucked in. but lately i've been hitting a plateau for a few weeks now.

atm, i'm do the following sets with 1 minute rest in between reps

shoulder-width/elbows-out
10, 11, 9, 12, 11

nowadays, when i do the last 2 sets, which is 12 and 11, my arms will go numb towards the end of my reps, which makes me unable to finish the set. what's going on?

my usual training days are sun (after my basketball game in the evening), tue, thu (after my tennis game at night).


Added on September 6, 2011, 9:52 amohh yah, there's a monkey bar at the playground where i play my bball.

it's kinda low, so i need to curl up my legs when i deadhang. so far, i can only do 1 chin-up regularly, but when i'm fully warmed up, i can push for 3, but it's freaking tiring on the whole body.. are you supposed to engage all your muscles when you do chin-ups?
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you suppose to use your lats for chinups...
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What is your goal? Bodybuilding or strength? You are trying to push for reps on easy workout or you want to proceed to be able to do advanced workout? Or you want to do advance workout with high rep? There is difference...

Unless you clarify your goal it is hard to help.

I will be able to help if your goal is specific strength training.

If your goal is to do more rep and more rep again and again... you just need to practice for rep just like what you describe just now. The reason you cannot push more anymore is because you are not a robot! You are a human with limitation after all. Just continue working on it and renew your new limitation.

About the chin up... yeah it is a compound movement so it really involve every muscle on your upper body. You do need to focus on your lat though... else you will be pulling mostly from your bicep. It is hard to feel your lats if you dont have any! So keep continue working on chin up while purposely thinking of the lats.  As your lat unwillingly grow, you will feel it... then you will be pulling weighted chin up like me and laugh at my tiny pulling weight... haha! It takes time to achieve things in life, be patience OK?
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hey hoxy, thx for your reply.

my goal currently is for strength. i'm slowly increasing my reps but since i've hit a wall, i did not increase it. first major objective is to be able to do 50 push-ups in a row. as of now, i don't know how many i can do at one go but it should be in the region of 15-20. still a long way more...

i think you are right regarding my lats, maybe i really don't have any. will try the chin-ups again this evening and try to feel the lats kicking in.
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your lats are there. body parts dont just come out into existence because you work out. they are just, smaller, thats all.
try pulling your shoulder blades together and arch. to better feel it do pull ups instead of chin ups
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One of my best move when I want to show off strength at outside random park. The tsar of push up... the one arm one leg push up. Who cares about regular easy push up when you can do this? Correct or not?  cool2.gif


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Nice! Very minimal torso twist. In fact this way it looked more like regulation perfect one arm push up... except you lift one leg as counter balance only.

Seems like you're progressing very far thumbup.gif
I still lepak around only, sometimes just doing dead hangs for timing to train support grip or isometric pull ups(hold in the middle of the rep).
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You not going to develop strength with 50 push up. I gained my one arm push up not with doing endless count of useless reps. I gained it by understanding that endurance and strength is a striking two different things altogether. You wont get one arm push up by able to do 100 push up or more. You cant break 100m world record by breaking 10000m world record. You wont get 1 arm chin up by doing 50 chin up. All you develop is endurance not strength. It is a two different things. Accept it now.

What I want you to do now is test yourself to do good slow 5rep on hand close to body, leg close to body regular push up. If you can do it... proceed to increase intensity. Go to the first page and decide how you going to proceed. Either you want to do diamond push up, leg raise regular/diamond push up, uneven push up...

Understand that impressive strength is built by progessively increasing intensity. In weight training, you would add weight. In bodyweight training, you would modify leverage.

Leverage is the name of the game. Get used to it!

Looking forward for your video@picture. smile.gif Lets share each other progress to keep the thread alive and interesting...

BTW, what is you weight and height? You do understand the strength-to-bodyweight ratio right? Just look at me... small but yeah... relatively strong tongue.gif
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ahh, pardon my ignorance. i thought i was building strength when i went for more reps. will try those pushups listed in the 1st page.

tried your 'test' yesterday, it was difficult but i did manage to complete the slow 5rep, could have pushed for 6 but i'm saving my arms for my tennis session tonight. after re-reading your instructions again, i found out that i did the wrong push up. i did 5 slow rep using the diamond variation instead... doh.gif

i shy to post pictures of my flabby stomach blush.gif

my height is about 174cm and around 65kg.
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There's a cheapskate way to make your own rings. Go buy 2 taekwondo belts.

Put a 4-5 inch of plastic pipe as the handle somewhere in the middle of the belt. Then just loop them on the bar pull up bar. Tadaa... RM30 rings.

Extreme Rings very expensive oh. China got cheaper, and probably is the supplier to Extreme Rings... But quality tak jamin. LOL!
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Lol one arm towel hang brutal?

Normal hang with towel already brutal for me.

Let you on a progress update(or "give up" update). Previously I was working on a progression where you do the dragon flag without holding on to anything. Just lay your arms flat on the floor(or yoga mat)right beside your body. It nearly gave my right elbow a bad bursitis. Can you imagine if how it will look if someone manage to do it perfectly? Dragon lever lol
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self update (sunday evening)

3x2 chin ups
3x2 pull ups
1x5 feet elevated push-ups (knee height)
2x5 uneven push-ups
1x10 diamond push-ups

now i can really feel my lats, COZ IT'S KILLING ME! freaking sore lats and arms... should i push for more this evening? hmm...
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self update (sunday evening)

3x2 chin ups
3x2 pull ups
1x5 feet elevated push-ups (knee height)
2x5 uneven push-ups
1x10 diamond push-ups

now i can really feel my lats, COZ IT'S KILLING ME! freaking sore lats and arms... should i push for more this evening? hmm...
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If you're sore as hell already then might as well give it a rest for a day.

I think you should just focus on Diamond push ups(or whichever that is hardest but doable for you). No real need to do a bunch of different push ups unless you're very conditioned already and bored flex.gif

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Update to sifu hoxy. Im sore as hell too. 40 pull ups and 100 kinda slow motion push ups divided hourly throughout the day. I.... feel.... like a muscle up is somewhere around the corner wub.gif
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Agree with cyloh, yeah... drop the 10rep. You are aiming for strength right? You better off do 2x5rep of very strict very slow diamond push up rather than 10rep. Rather than increasing rep you should increase intensity! Start to do leg raise diamond push up, leg raise uneven push-ups, etc2 (be creative please). Keep increasing the height and you have a good measurable increase of intensity.

I bet you are doing the push up with hand close to the body, that is the only way you going to hit the lat and feel sore. I bet now if someone would ask you... what is the exercise to build lat? One of your answer would be... hand close to the body push up right? Imagine doing it one hand... yeah, the beauty of one arm push up exposed again.

Your goal will be one arm push up, and once you can do it strict (after I review it too)... I believe you going to attest that one arm push up is simply a good of an exercise that everyone need to master. And when you see comments on the uselessness of push up (mostly people dont go beyond regular push up)... you will understand how I feel seeing this kind of comment.

In summary, keep referring to first page. Keep limiting your rep to 5 rep max. Once you can do anything 5 rep comfortable you have the option to do more sets or increase the intensity. If you can do 4 rep struggling, stop at 4, better yet... next time stop at 3 or 2rep. Instead of doing 4 rep (with struggle, and hideous form) for example, just do 2x2 scheme, you get 4 rep total, it is the same rep total, it is safe, you avoid injury with massive rep style of working out but at the same time you manage to do it with very high intensity, in other words... you progress getting stronger FASTER. This is strength training method. Never train to fail. Training to failure is training to fail.

Congrats on the 2rep chin/pull up. You have improved. Keep increasing the rep. You know until what rep you need to stop right? tongue.gif

Now where is the picture/video? Lol
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cyloh was right again. tried to do more yesterday evening and for the first time in my life, i had major cramps on both my triceps when i tried pulling my legs up to do bicycle. boy, that really hurts.

thx for your guidance. will limit the reps to 5 on high intensity sets now. but i still feel compelled to go for endurance, still got lots of fats to burn. my belly really flatten out since the past week, but still got some to lose.. i want to look good in that nike compression shirt that i want to buy.. haha

all my push-ups are done with hands close to body now, unless i'm going for claps. will try the ctb claps tomorrow and see how it goes.

i'll take pics/videos when i'm more adept on my chin-ups or claps. tongue.gif who wants to see the easy stuffs right? haha..
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dah balik University susah nak buat

aku rajin nanti hujung minggu ( nanti ) aku buat video workout aku

plus gym uni aku sucks gila


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Hoxy! More or less gorilla level already rclxms.gif

Anyways you should try to do isometric holds in the middle of the pull up rep. That will be real brutal compared to hold at the top.
Holding at the top is becoming easy for me, but then again I didn't do it weighted blush.gif





"Shorties" is even crazier for isometric training. Dead hang, then hold in the middle of the rep, then go all the way up and hold,
come down and hold in the middle again, then only back to dead hang. Rinse and repeat. I do not have the ability to do shorties yet.

Lately I do GTG but only for 3 days in a week. 2 days GTG pull ups and a day for chin ups. Even though just 3 days, I bang out 90~100
reps per week now. All wholesome and strict dead hang reps.

So per set I can do 2 to 5 chin/pull ups depending on mood, motivation and energy level. I expect minimum rep per set to reach 5
soon and when I feel more conditioned I might GTG on more days than 3 per week.

As for weighted, the best I can do is get some ankle weights. Since I am using a pull up bar on the door, maximum load is 90kg only.
I am 77kg(fatttttt cry.gif ) and the sales assistant in Fitness Concept told me don't abuse the bar and keep the load around 80kg.
Guess I will have to play with leverage soon instead of adding weight.

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all my push-ups are done with hands close to body now, unless i'm going for claps. will try the ctb claps tomorrow and see how it goes.
If you can do hands close to body clapping push ups then my hats off to you. Of course must be strict push up before you launch upwards
for the clap yah tongue.gif

Chest/chin/mouth must be 1cm from or touch the floor to consider a full rep.

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"Shorties" is even crazier for isometric training. Dead hang, then hold in the middle of the rep, then go all the way up and hold,
come down and hold in the middle again, then only back to dead hang. Rinse and repeat. I do not have the ability to do shorties yet.

Lately I do GTG but only for 3 days in a week. 2 days GTG pull ups and a day for chin ups. Even though just 3 days, I bang out 90~100
reps per week now. All wholesome and strict dead hang reps.

So per set I can do 2 to 5 chin/pull ups depending on mood, motivation and energy level. I expect minimum rep per set to reach 5
soon and when I feel more conditioned I might GTG on more days than 3 per week.

As for weighted, the best I can do is get some ankle weights. Since I am using a pull up bar on the door, maximum load is 90kg only.
I am 77kg(fatttttt cry.gif ) and the sales assistant in Fitness Concept told me don't abuse the bar and keep the load around 80kg.
Guess I will have to play with leverage soon instead of adding weight.

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If you can do hands close to body clapping push ups then my hats off to you. Of course must be strict push up before you launch upwards
for the clap yah tongue.gif

Chest/chin/mouth must be 1cm from or touch the floor to consider a full rep.
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what is GTG? all this acronym is confusing..

"shorties" sounds fun, will give it a go when i can find a pull up bar. i doubt i can do it though.. hmm...

would like to get one of those pull up bar to be screwed on to door, where to find one and how much might it cost?

as for clapping push-ups, i can't launch yet with hands close to body, still don't have that explosive strength when i'm in that position... will put in an attempt when do my regular session.
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jumaat aku balik aku post la how to do L sit

sekarang ni nak khatamkan buku CC

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hoksi aku tak paham CC ni

contoh aku boleh buat move 1 - 7

aku kena buat move 1 - 7 la? takyah nak pergi 8, 9, 10 etc?

aku rasa aku dalam intermediate

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You are that heavy, 77kg? Last time we met you dont look that heavy... have you been gaining more weight compared to last time we met?

You are doing just fine with GTG. Looks like you dont complain of injury and have been doing regular GTG for a while now. Looks like you know how to pace yourself with GTG by now. I love seeing others doing GTG. I know it works for strength enthusiast like me...

I think cyloh did aim to push up until standing, not sure whether he has been working on aztec push up before...

cyloh?
I was 78kg when we met lol. Now usually 75 to 77kg. Quite fat for a skinny looking person eh? sad.gif

There are still injuries from GTG but they're under control. My left shoulder gets pinched a lot and there is rotator cuff soreness. Only way is to rest.
I'm sure as I get stronger those will go away.

As for push up to standing, don't think its possible lol. Not unless you bend your back a lot and open legs wide like a typical one arm push up.

QUOTE(inv @ Sep 14 2011, 08:59 AM)
what is GTG? all this acronym is confusing..

"shorties" sounds fun, will give it a go when i can find a pull up bar. i doubt i can do it though.. hmm...

would like to get one of those pull up bar to be screwed on to door, where to find one and how much might it cost?

as for clapping push-ups, i can't launch yet with hands close to body, still don't have that explosive strength when i'm in that position... will put in an attempt when do my regular session.
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GTG means grease the groove. It is sort of a workout routine where you do lots of reps scattered throughout the day. Example would be 5 rep every hour.
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QUOTE(cyloh @ Sep 14 2011, 08:41 PM)
I was 78kg when we met lol. Now usually 75 to 77kg. Quite fat for a skinny looking person eh? sad.gif

There are still injuries from GTG but they're under control. My left shoulder gets pinched a lot and there is rotator cuff soreness. Only way is to rest.
I'm sure as I get stronger those will go away.

As for push up to standing, don't think its possible lol. Not unless you bend your back a lot and open legs wide like a typical one arm push up.
GTG means grease the groove. It is sort of a workout routine where you do lots of reps scattered throughout the day. Example would be 5 rep every hour.
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oic, thx. so that's what's it's called. i squeeze in wall pushups when in office during training days as well.

manage to get a copy of the infamous CC. will try to master step by step for all the big six moves. boy, i'm gonna be fkn sore all the time...
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oic, thx. so that's what's it's called. i squeeze in wall pushups when in office during training days as well.

manage to get a copy of the infamous CC. will try to master step by step for all the big six moves. boy, i'm gonna be fkn sore all the time...
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Well, remember to start all at step 1 then no matter how strong you already are smile.gif

Enjoy the journey.
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Seriously you dont look that heavy... hmmm, that is a mistery. Bone heavy? Muscle mass? I wonder how come you look relatively compact but weigh that heavy!

Anyway, yeah... once you get the muscle to conditioned it might help to take the load off the stabilizing muscle and the tendon. But it is a fine line there. Key is to progress slowly (low rep) and safely. But you do have the key to override that. Low rep, many sets dispersed throughout the day, GTG style. The chance of injury is significantly lower (if done correctly). Again, I do think you already know how to pace yourself with this training... so I am not particularly worried. If you done it wrongly, you already have been injury by now for sure!

Forgot to comment, yeah... I think "shorties" as you describe it is just tough as well. This doesnt apply to chin/pull up, but to other exercise too... be it push up, squat, leg raise, etc2.

Push up to stand is impossible? Maybe true maybe not. Anyway, the main concept of doing this kind of activity to just develop the power. If that is the case, 1clap, 2clap, 3clap, and aztec push up is fine enough.

Before I forget, Ross Enamait did mention the importance of plyometric push up. I think he mentioned about learning to deaccelerate yourself. He practiced boxing and this is a particular skill need to develop. Think about it, if you punch with all your might and opponent avoid, then if you dont know how to deaccelarate the punch then you either out of balance or you are openning yourself and exposing your defence. That is how important the "landing part" of the plyometric push up. The starting part of the plyometric push up will develop a solid fast punch. Without adequate strength you cannot do push up. Without explosiveness you cannot launch yourself high enough. Adequate amount of both power and strength is very important. So that is why I also think for plyometric... you really cant go wrong from the ones mentioned below. Push up to stand may be missing the "landing part".

Wow! The functional benefit of doing functional bodyweight exercise exposed again? tongue.gif
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The shirt don't show the belly hehehe.

I think anyone who can do a strict rep of push up to standing has the ability to punch someone and that person will fly back a few meters. How about 1 arm push up
to standing? At least with 1 arm you can recruit the lat and hip twist. The normal push up will mostly depend on the triceps only(a guess) for the plyometric explosion.

As for shorties, I can do it with push ups no problem. I did 6 before and felt just nice.

PS, we should meet at ampang hilir park and u bring the rings for me to demo...... drool.gif

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Bodyweight exercise can work on extreme angle untouch with any other training implement. As long as tendon is strong... the possibility and range of bodyweight exercise is truly limitless. Bodyweight exercise too easy? Yeah right! How wrong is this common perception...
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Let us migrate to russia and train there for a couple of months. We'll return as supermen.

I don't even go to the park much. There is only 2 pull up bar, 1 of them spoiled and shaking badly and the other bar is so oily and dirty it will
test your grip strength in all the wrong ways.
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Owh yes I remember D300. Saw his clips a long long time ago.

Took him a lot of hard work to progress but in the end he did muscle ups like anyone else could.
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D300 can do muscle up? OMG! That is impressive considering his weight, I thought I only see Kalimuscle doing it with that kind of size... Wow.  rclxms.gif Being big takes a lot of effort to achieve what they achieve. Seriously not the kind of guy I want to be in an argument. I'll be pawned in an instance!
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Yeap he can do the muscle up in 2010. I think took him 2 years to get it.



9 minute mark you can see his muscle up. Very big kip but now is 2011 already, I bet he's doing even better.
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belajar la Gymnastic level 1, tapi jaga jaga la

aku setakat ni boleh buat semua level 1 dekat uneven bars

tapi hip circle je tak buat lagi pasal tak ada space lol


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Does this GTG work?


also , pullups work the lats and the back?
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Does this GTG  work?
also , pullups work the lats and the back?
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From what I gather, bridges works the back more.
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I've collected my gymnastic ring... smile.gif
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wub.gif show us some videos soon yah flex.gif

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Does this GTG  work?
also , pullups work the lats and the back?
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Yes GTG does work. Pull ups work the entire upper body and some core. Depending on your " mind-muscle" connection and technique, you may also isolate it to mostly lats alone.
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hoksi aku lupa bawak pushup bars aku tertinggal kat UIA

nampak gaya aku L Sit dekat tempat pelik2 la lol

btw aku dah boleh buat elbow lever ( adalah 6 - 10 saat lol )

btw UIA related

btw sini ada budak UIA tanya abang aku dekat ECONS "eh u ke yang post kat Calisthenics tu"

baik mengaku cepat siapa dia laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Will upload a video soon of an L-sit I just did for fun. Haven't done this since I was 12. laugh.gif


Manaed 20+ seconds. Not too shabby. tongue.gif

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Ok for the fun of it I will film myself doing some pull ups this weekend. Maybe just do 2 to 3 rep only. Don't want to koyak filming for you guys tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Sep 15 2011, 11:34 PM)
Bagus la tu dah boleh buat elbow lever... post la picture and video. Baru la org berlumbe2 nak buat... aku tgk kebanyakan org kat sini tak nak buat unless ade picture or video. Baru la diorang rase motivated nak buat and try. Sekali diorang dah try and lepas tu gagal, mase time tu la either diorang smua ni terpikat dgn calisthenics atau terus berputus asa...

Kite perlu lebih ramai enthusiast. Dont just claim you can do something... we need picture and video!

Mengaku je la org tu mmg ko pun... lambat laun kalau ko dah betul2 fantastic and interested forming ko punye own bar group, ko akan dikenali org jugak. Lagi byk share picture/video lagi byk enthusiast, lagi byk knowledge sharing, and lagi motivated kite progress maju ke depan bersama2.

Elok plak tibe2 lupe push up bar... takpe, nanti bile ko cuti... amik video kat push up bar punye. Aku dah try kat parallete, mane ade makin senang compare dgn buat kat lantai... same susah je ade la. So maksudnye... ko punye L-sit mmg gempak la utk standard kite punye thread. So kongsi2 la video plg lame ko boleh hold for time... lepas tu boleh la org cam aku aim to reach ko punye standard. tongue.gif
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jahat doh kau hoksi, aku boleh tahan 15 - 30 saat camtu je

btw dekat uni aku cool gila sial sekarang, aku isnin ni upload gambar bilik workout aku

sebelah bilik aku ada bilik kosong, busted door bukan aku yang buat btw explains why bilik tu kosong

bilik tu epic besar pasal ianya untuk budak Postgraduate

jadi aku setiap petang/pagi ambik dumbbells/trx/pushuup bars apa semua training dalam bilik tu

best gila takde gangguan as kalau workout dalam bilik aku, roomate dengar takut diorang complain thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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i can do muscle up by going up 1 hand 1st.

which is my left hand up then only bring my right hand up.

does this count as muscle up?

right hand seems harder to go up. but im a right handed ._.
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Actually my quads gave out first, I didn't feel much in the midsection. They were starting to cramp up. laugh.gif

I'll give it a go every now and then and see if I get any progress. tongue.gif
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BTW, congrats! Please do proceed to achieve even more bodyweight skill. Keep update us on your progress! Good job! Maybe you should consider doing bridge, knowing your back problem... I hope your doctor are not against it! smile.gif
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waw u still remember. rclxms.gif

imma did bridge back and forth, but its stressing my back alot, so i cut it down.

my back is still not going anywhere better, but pull ups doesn't seem to affect my back.

will try to get one if my bro wants to go to the park with me : )

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Glute-ham raises done lying on the floor, planks and pullups will do your back good. Just hanging on the bar itself can help to relieve some pressure in the discs.
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Yeah... I think so too... last time I tried, my leg is giving me problem (I only train leg once in a 100 years... lol). So it is just not me... to progress on L-sit the requirement is actually across the board... consistent breathing under extreme and diffucult static hold position, wrist and forearm strength to remain body planted on ground, tricep engagement to maintain straight hand, lat and chest to maintain body allignment, midsection to bring the leg up, glute and leg to maintain straigth leg position. Last time I tried it, that is how exactly difficult the L-sit feels like. The requirement for 60sec is a tremendous all around functional body strength. My neck also... it was straining by just holding the static position. L-sit is truly deserving to be in CC2 and truly up a level above hanging leg raise. Looks like it is time for me to start doing it again... aiming for 60sec is just... too damn long! And there is also some other minor variation of the L-sit that can bring the difficulty up a level... sh!t!

Looking forward for your updated video -Dan... smile.gif

Yep, spot on. smile.gif

Another variation is the straddle sit. It's a lot harder and is usually combined in a gymnastics routine to perform the straddle sit press into handstand move. Requires an insane amount of strength and flexibility. rclxub.gif
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hoxy ambik aku dekat Gombak please vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif
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Mengancam.... now I malu want to post video already tongue.gif
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Don't think will have any updates more for today. Bradford press and overhead press day.

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Sep 16 2011, 03:50 PM)
Cmon... I know you already upload the video. Just need to copy the link over here... no need to shy away. Over time, you going to reach or surpass me. Looking forward for the video (if you making a newer version)... smile.gif
Bagus2... nanti bile abis demam, boleh la buat ~30saat cam -Dan? Hehe... form cantik! Aku sgt berpuas hati! Lagi satu, bile sembuh sakit... jgn lupe muscle up dgn elbow lever. smile.gif
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boleh buat

tapi since kau paksa paksa aku upload terus lol

nanti aku bat 30 saat jangan kau risau flex.gif flex.gif
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Just tried around the world pull up. #^^@#@#! so hard!

Manage to do one sided, left up then go to the right come down. Could not start archer pull up with right hand. Grip not strong enough for that arm.

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hi hoxy, nice l-sit. i can only do mine for like 10secs?
one question, what exercise you do to strengthen your core? i have nothing against belts, but wanna try lifting without belts as long as it permits me.
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When you say core, you really mean erector spinae and the midsection right? smile.gif

Well, I think I have an interesting link for you...

http://www.t-nation.com/testosterone-magazine-627

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Bodyweight exercise conquer many of the best core workout, go figure.

I can do chin up smile.gif.

I also have recently can do full hanging leg raise.

Most importantly, I used to do sets over sets of kneeling ab wheel rollout. I have now progressed to standing ab wheel rollout. Abs wheel is tough, if your core is weak abs wheel will tell. Go buy it and stop doing hideous form of crunch and situp.

I also have sufficient strength to do stand to stand bridge. That is a master step for CC for back exercise if you are wondering about it... smile.gif. But it also demands for a strong rectus abdominis.

So yeah... the missing part is... rotational workout. That will be barbell full contact twist (landmine). This is why I always say every training implement has it benefits, this is one of the best exercise coming from barbell training implement, at least from my personal view. I recently think I found a replacement for this in the form of wiper something workout. Never tried it before, but sure looks like a good rotational bodyweight exercise.

I used to focus on nothing else for maybe 1, 2 month on core only, where I focus mainly on kneeling abs wheel rollout and barbell full contact twist. I still dont think my core is strong enough to allow me to continue my journey on deadlift.

And I always do valsalva breathing everytime I workout.

I hope this help.

I do think that for beginner... instead of rushing to build show off muscle, the functional core need to be develop first. I always smile seeing various comment on weight belt and stuff and ways to increase performance, I think I have done a great job staying away from getting too involved on this issue. I just stick to my plan, train the midsection functionally, every time I feel funny at the back... I crack a stand to stand bridge every time and then all is good to go ready for battle for me. I'm on Pavel Tsatsouline camp and I love it. tongue.gif

I hope you like my answer. Hope you find it useful... smile.gif
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wow, thanks for all the info. yep, the erector spinae and the midsection is what i was referring to.


Added on September 17, 2011, 11:36 pmi've just recently incorporated some of the exercises you've mentioned in my routine. eg, hanging leg raises.


Added on September 17, 2011, 11:39 pmby the way, i like your answer, very useful indeed. will try to progress standing abs wheel rollout.


Added on September 18, 2011, 1:21 amjust finished reading the link you gave me, awesome article! thanks!

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More update guys? You guys are switching to low gear too long! smile.gif
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Haha too busy GTGing to update....

Nothing much here. Same old pull ups, push ups only. For pull ups, although rep increase is slow to come, existing reps are getting easier and easier rclxms.gif
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Been out of town for the past few days, only manage to put in lvl1 bridges, full squats n push ups. I'm itching to do pull up. Need to get that pull up bar soon...
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Got a new friend. It is a 16kg kettlebell. Tested one arm curl and press at the store and decided to buy it instantly. Initially wished for 14kg but they only have 12, 16 and 20kg.

Sidetrack from calisthenics abit ya tongue.gif
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Kettlebell is good for its swing. Train the hip. Power and strength all generated from hip. Kettlebell swing is the best to train it...

Maybe you can show some weighted pistol once you can do it in the future?
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Yeah, I guess the swing, clean, press and turkish get up is the first few to learn and master. Certainly looks fun, I hope I don't destroy my room wall or marble floor.
Slightly regret getting the 16kg doh.gif , must be ego purchase. Should have been humble and start at 8 or 12kg instead lol.

As for weighted pistol hmm.gif hehe let me get my first pistol squat first yeah.... tongue.gif
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Guys, why when i doing pull ups my abs will feel pain? and my body can't seem to be straight sad.gif
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QUOTE(chayjeong @ Sep 19 2011, 06:17 PM)
Guys, why when i doing pull ups my abs will feel pain? and my body can't seem to be straight sad.gif
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When I started, at the top of the pull up my legs will be like in an L-sit position. Lately only I can straighten my whole body. It takes time.
No worries.

QUOTE(hoxy @ Sep 19 2011, 06:21 PM)
cyloh, you made the right purchase, 16kg for double arm kettlebell swing is just nice. Once you getting the hang of it, you can proceed to one arm kettlebell swing. You can buy my 8, 10kg kettlebell! tongue.gif Prices of iron has gone way up, even slightly lesser than current selling price at fitness concept, I would be still making a profit. You know what I want... a 24 and 32kg kettlebell. tongue.gif
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Totally broke now. If you have a 12kg willing to let go and trade for my gripper I'm game for it tongue.gif

24kg is available for sale locally, but cost a bomb (i think around RM350+-). Fitness concept only have until 20kg. Quite ok priced. My 16kg is RM180.
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Sep 19 2011, 06:50 PM)
Pull up and chin up is one of the best abs exercise. Rectus abdominis is doing an anti extension job for you when you do pull/chin up. Should you go for strict pull up, this is expected... it shows that your midsection is too weak. Yeah... continue to work on strict pull/chin up and you going to build strong functional midsection. No need to do useless workout anymore. Chin/pull up is the cure for cancer, get intimate with it.

I think you coming from bodybuilding philosophy of training. I'm on strength training philosophy. So might be you pushing the reps too high and at the end of the rep, that is where you feel the tension. You are not detail enough when you describe your problem.

Or you doing chin/pull up at the end of your workout. Naturally, midsection has been exhausted by all the heavy work before you get to chin/pull up. Train fresh and see whether there is a difference or not. Train fresh and stop before you fatigue/loss form. That is strength philosophy. Strength training is the best.

If you find that even in first rep when you are fresh you still have a problem... bring the intensity down. What's the rush?

When doing functional exercise, performance are limited to the weakest link. If your grip is weak, you cannot hang on the bar. If your midsection is weak, you are not spectacular on anything, unless you use weight belt. Dont use weight belt.

Work around weak midsection is to train midsection functionally. Unless you train for strong midsection and strong core. You going to be facing problem in anything you do.

Like I said before, train for a strong midsection first. Get the abs wheel. Get functional strong core. How do you suppose to expect having a strong midsection when you have never trained it? It makes sense right?
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thanks for the informative reply. Currently can do few reps but not more than 5 by doing it fresh. Will do it everyday in my workout to have a nice back smile.gif


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When I started, at the top of the pull up my legs will be like in an L-sit position. Lately only I can straighten my whole body. It takes time.
No worries.
Totally broke now. If you have a 12kg willing to let go and trade for my gripper I'm game for it tongue.gif

24kg is available for sale locally, but cost a bomb (i think around RM350+-). Fitness concept only have until 20kg. Quite ok priced. My 16kg is RM180.
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thanks for the reply =) now i know i am not the unique 1 haha

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HARDWORKING TO HAVE A V SHAPE BACK!! WOWOWOWOW!
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Hoho, hoxy progressing well on CC2 although the book not out yet.

I'm doing normal hang only. Occasionally hang uneven, (one arm hang normally, the other use 2 finger only) can only hold for 5 to 8 seconds.
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who is sick?

looks like i won't be able to get a pull up bar anytime soon. wife is concerned about the doorframe, whether it'll hold up since our apartment is quite old... have to go to the park then..

on another note, started with leg raises last night, boy, it's tough...
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who is sick?

looks like i won't be able to get a pull up bar anytime soon. wife is concerned about the doorframe, whether it'll hold up since our apartment is quite old...  have to go to the park then..

on another note, started with leg raises last night, boy, it's tough...
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You can buy a screw type of pull up bar from Fitness concept stores. It allows you to set it any level on your door frame. Unlike the normal pull up bars, this one
does not "hook" or put pressure on the door frame at all.

Alternatively you can do pull ups using a door, front gate, basically anywhere you can hang.

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On other news, I have begun one arm push up training the Pavel way. Incline strict one arm push up. As I get better, slowly decrease the front elevation.
Had enough to uneven push ups or whatever push ups that plays with leverage, not helping at all. If want to do one arm push ups, just start doing one
arm push ups I'd say.
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CC is good and slow, it has helped me progress to doing strict push ups. I followed step 1 to step 5 slowly, paying my dues as the book says.
Could not progress to step 6 since wrist injury made me unable to do diamond push ups.

As for the CC plan on pull ups, I wasted too much time on it. In fact if you can master step 2 you are already damn strong. I can't even do more
than 8 good reps for that step, the author some more wants 3x30 before progressing. Anyone who can do 3x30 horizontal pull ups(australian pull ups)
is very very strong and will have insane grip stamina.

So in the end, GTG and doing the actual workout but modify(negative or half rep/quarter rep) gets me there faster.

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I have core and balance issues now with 1 arm push up(front elevated). The opposite leg will automatically come up when I go completely down rclxub.gif
Accidental one leg one arm push up.... doh.gif

So far I can do waist level 2 reps and if I wanted 1 rep die die max then knee level.
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Sep 21 2011, 10:45 AM)
inv forgot to say, I think in CC got mentioned that you are not suppose to do bridge unless you are at step 6 for hanging leg raise and handstand push up if I dont get it wrong. It is famously called "good behaviour" something like that...

Anyway, investing on a pull up bar is the best investment you can do. Since there is an issue with the cheap pull up bar on door frame, looks like you have no choice but to go to the park unless you spend more money on a proper pull up station, or power rack like me... which I dont believe.

Dont worry, going to park is OK. It will be much fun! smile.gif

Leg raise is tough? Yeah! hehe... I wonder where you do your leg raise? At door?
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the only time i can go to the park is after dinner, which means, earliest is 9pm since i gotta let my food digest a bit first, and that's kinda late, and dark...

i'm doing step 2/3 of the leg raise section on cc, flat knee raises and flat bent leg raises atm. stomach not that strong yet.

as for bridge, i'm only in step 1/2. tried to do full bridges but i feel a pull in my thigh muscle, i think i need to stretch it more first, so i'm alternating between step 1/2 and step 6 (full bridge).

just read the warning part in CC regarding bridging, the pre-requisite is 1) close squats and 2) hanging knee raise which i can do already, so it's safe for me to do bridging, thx for your concern smile.gif
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So you pretty much a jedi who tweak CC routine also... haha. Looks like I got the requirement for bridge wrong... glad you have corrected me. Good luck on your progress.

Arent you amazed that I conquered many of the master step already?  brows.gif Please say I'm strong! Not just strong, but super strong! haha! Joking with you... once you achieve it, seriously it is nothing, but it is fun seeing others on the road to achieve what I have achieved, it reminds me of all the effort I've put in, it never has been easy. tongue.gif

Bodyweight exercise achievement is sure impressive right? Go and get it guys!

BTW... what is your height and bodyweight?
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and it's always satisfying to know how much you have achieve. but don't just stop there and start slacking.. wink.gif
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Hooreey! Thanks for the compliment. I know I am strong! But got tired saying it to myself! Haha!

You are right though... I cannot stop now, there are many greater achievement out there. I've been repeating it again and again, but I repeat it again:

1) Human flag... coolest move on earth
2) Full planche... the best move on pluto
3) One arm chin/pull up... 1 in 100,000 mortal can do it
4) One arm handstand push up... no one have video to prove it can be done. Pretty much reserved for the strongest
5) Iron cross on ring... WTF move!
6) Maltese cross... superman reserved strength!

Except the last three, I think I can achieve those top 3 no matter how long it take.

Seriously... we have to admire to true strength generated by anyone who achieve these kind of feat. It is really the true meaning of strength.

If I start slacking... you guys will catch up with me faster! I'm not prepared for that mentally... yet! haha~

No la~ keep up working hard. If you guys dare to dream and put the effort to it, nothing is impossible. Besides, even a one arm push up is really satisfying, even for me now... bodyweight feat is just too satisfying! Go and get it!

BTW, inv... what is your height and weight? Are you missing it out on purpose? smile.gif
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i think my training for the past 2 weeks is paying off... my tummy almost gone liao.. yay!

on another note, i have a tennis competition coming up this weekend, 8am-8pm event, both sat and sun, should i slow down on my training or just keep doing it? hmm...
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guys anyone has info or experience on diamond push ups?

when i do them my weight usually lands on my.

example: my right palm facing me, my weight tend to land on my left btm area. is that normal or im doing it wrong?
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I usually will form a diamond shape with my both of my palm on the ground. I dont quite understand how you do diamond push up by your description... it is more like a uneven push up. I have a video of me doing diamond push up, so you can check and compare your form against me. Or you can post a video?

If you cant perform the workout with nice form, just reduce the intensity. Widen the leg further, putting both hand on a platform instead of on the ground will reduce the intensity. If still too much, do it from the knee position. I hope this help! Reducing the leverage helps in acquiring the strength and balance needed to perform any exercise. Once you are good, play with leverage back again... until you can do perfect form diamond push up. smile.gif
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hmmm...guess my description is kinda off.

anyway another way to say is that when i do diamond push up, when i go down and push up that time, the going up motion, a lot of weight is focused on just right below my thumb for both hand instead of whole hand. hope u can get the picture here. coz i dun think the video can show where my weight focuses on when going up.

anyway if still cant then ill post a video LOL
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Hello Hoxy

aku nak buat German Volume Training start minggu ni

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nanti aku upload 30 HSPU dekat korang

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finally the tourney is over, didn't do to well.. anyway, can't get back to training after this... biggrin.gif
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More time to work towards calisthenics hall of fame list? tongue.gif
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Have you ever performed a chin/pull up in your life... even when you are young? You are a family guy... pretty much same like me... comparatively older compared to others here. But you do sound like someone who never do chin/pull up... smile.gif.

Bodyweight exercise is exactly what you need to build functional strong lats and core for your tennis game. We have lots of it. All exquisite bodyweight exercise require total body strength. Together, train for power, combine grip element, and induce some rotational workout and I can easily foresee you to improve your tennis game. Think Nadal.

I have taken your advice not to be satisfied with my achievement. As a result... I have started including some ring training, those bulgarian dip alone is very hard. Damn those gymnastic guys... I know they know of something.

That something is ring workout. Everything done on bar... but harder... that is ring workout. The stabilizing needed for this kind of workout is... hard!

Glad I started iron cross training though...

Now I have so many things I'm pursuing at the same time:
1) Front lever
2) back lever
3) Planche
4) L-sit 60 second
5) V-sit
6) Handstand
7) Iron cross
8) OAC
9) OAP
10) BW weighted chin up
11) BW weighted pull up
12) One arm towel hang grip 5 minute

All high quality stuff. smile.gif Bodyweight exercise keeping excited! Bodyweight exercise easy? Think again... tongue.gif
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the last time i performed chin up was in form 3 when they made is do push ups and what not to be graded. actually, the reason why i started to work out is because of tennis as well. lets just say that i bought a very nice racket and i can't use it then because it was too heavy for me at that time, and that was like 2 years ago. u'd be surprised how 20g difference makes in a tennis racket.

ever since i started doing push ups, my tennis game improved. all because that i'm strong enough to swing the racket as freely as i'd like. so i figured, why not take it further and do the complete set, rather than focusing on the arms only, and this is how i stumbled across this thread, and CC.

i still have this nagging shoulder injury since 5 years ago from basketball. i've never seen a doctor about it but playing tennis really improved my condition by a lot, and i hope by strengthening my shoulder, i would be cured of the injury, still have yet to touch the handstand section of CC, no available walls at home to start step 1 atm, have yet to clear the furniture for it...

so for the moment, i'll just concentrate on the rest like push ups, leg raises, bridges and dips. btw, did dips today, it. was. satisfying. although i couldn't do high reps, still manage to squeeze in 2x5 and 1x3 before my arms gave way..
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ahh, i'm glad i was able to motivate you further smile.gif

the last time i performed chin up was in form 3 when they made is do push ups and what not to be graded. actually, the reason why i started to work out is because of tennis as well. lets just say that i bought a very nice racket and i can't use it then because it was too heavy for me at that time, and that was like 2 years ago. u'd be surprised how 20g difference makes in a tennis racket.

ever since i started doing push ups, my tennis game improved. all because that i'm strong enough to swing the racket as freely as i'd like. so i figured, why not take it further and do the complete set, rather than focusing on the arms only, and this is how i stumbled across this thread, and CC.

i still have this nagging shoulder injury since 5 years ago from basketball. i've never seen a doctor about it but playing tennis really improved my condition by a lot, and i hope by strengthening my shoulder, i would be cured of the injury, still have yet to touch the handstand section of CC, no available walls at home to start step 1 atm, have yet to clear the furniture for it...

so for the moment, i'll just concentrate on the rest like push ups, leg raises, bridges and dips. btw, did dips today, it. was. satisfying. although i couldn't do high reps, still manage to squeeze in 2x5 and 1x3 before my arms gave way..
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Shoulders are a very delicate bodypart. Make sure to keep it slow and steady when progressing with moves which heavily involve the shoulders. I've injured my right shoulder before from gymnastics, and I'll tell you, it isn't fun. laugh.gif
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Thanks! Will do... smile.gif.

Which exercise in gymnastic that have your shoulder injured? What went wrong? Rushing for progress? What would you advice to progress towards to before doing the progression that have you injured?

I am really interested to know what you achieved in gymnastics especially in ring. Hopefully I can find something useful as a motivation for me to work upon and have it conquered. I'm basically on the lookout for more ring exercise.
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I honestly can't remember as it was really long ago, but I think it was either on the parallel bars or the rings. (2 of my favourites, though) What I mean by keeping it slow and steady is to make sure you've completely mastered the move on the previous level before attempting a higher leveled move as well as, like you said, slowly building up tendon strength. There's always going to be a risk of injury of course, but it's the things we can do to minimize the risk that count. smile.gif

Uh, I definitely didn't get to the level of performing an iron cross or planches and such. I was able to do muscle-ups, swing to handstand, L/straddle holds and straddle hold to handstand(with a push), just to name some I remember.
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hey hoxy, i just noticed something in regards to your signature. it's contradicting. tongue.gif
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nah, i did not. my triceps, biceps and lats are still sore from yesterday evening's workout at home.

did some leg raises and step 1 of the bridge series just now before dinner, heading off to tennis soon... hopefully my abs hold up throughout the session..haha..
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hehe... dont push it. Bodyweight exercise is not your no 1 priority, it is tennis (and family). There is no use feeling sore all over the body if in the end, you cant play a good tennis.

Are you an amateur tennis player or something? Where do you play normally?
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ya, i'm a amateur player, feeling sore all over my body is my 1st priority when i do sports. when i play basketball, i make sure i go all out. when i play tennis, i do the same. and when i train, u guessed it, i make sure i am sore enuff but not until the point where i have to take MC and rest.. haha..

i used to play tennis in sunway college until the tore the place down to make way for a 2 storey basement carpark recently.. looking for new home ground now.. and hopefully it's free biggrin.gif

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a bit off topic sorry. but anyone knows where to buy the manila rope or the malay call it tali lembu.

thinking of having the rope training, climbing etc.
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a bit off topic sorry. but anyone knows where to buy the manila rope or the malay call it tali lembu.

thinking of having the rope training, climbing etc.
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There used to be a ~4 meter rope attached to the ceiling of my coach's gymnasium, and occasionally we would train in another gymnasium which was a lot bigger and had a ~20m rope (it was a kind of warehouse-like building solely for gymnastics, thus the very high ceiling). It's a whole lot of fun, rope climbing!
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Yeah, rope climbing can pretty much activate everything from your waist upwards. Core, lats, biceps, forearms, you name it. It's fantastic for strength and conditioning.
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If I do 5 reps of pull ups at 72kg bodyweight and 135lbs tied to my weight belt, does it count as a strength feat? Was thinking of taking a vid next week.
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i was contemplating in getting a abs wheel a few months ago...hmm.. maybe i should get it the next time i see it on sale...
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i was contemplating in getting a abs wheel a few months ago...hmm.. maybe i should get it the next time i see it on sale...
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I'm only 32. and I only started doing chin ups 3 weeks ago. Never did them. quite fun. And yes my chin goes over the bar.
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Seeing interest in rope training... I share some random youtube video on variety of rope training.



Yeah... rope training is tough! There are so many training implement in this world... dont become too focused on just one training implement. You guys will miss the fun! I sure want to train that way should I have a rope later! tongue.gif
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dropping by midvalley tonight after work. will look out for abs wheel in jusco or something...
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Why think twice? Buy it now!
Have you bought  or tried it before? smile.gif
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didn't have any in jusco. gonna drop by either world of sports or sportsdirect this weekend.


Added on October 1, 2011, 4:53 pmwow, the abs wheel is a lot more difficult than it looks. i can't go full stretch without having my face kissing the parquet, even when i'm on my knees...

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yea, i got it. the wheel is evil alright, keep tempting me to use it.

i tried chin ups yesterday using the overhand grip. i can't pull myself up! not even one bit. tried it with a underhand grip, and no problemo.. so, the next thing i did, i went jacknife pulls with overhand grip. this morning, my lats and pecs are sore as hell...
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QUOTE(inv @ Oct 2 2011, 10:12 PM)
i tried chin ups yesterday using the overhand grip. i can't pull myself up! not even one bit. tried it with a underhand grip, and no problemo.. so, the next thing i did, i went jacknife pulls with overhand grip. this morning, my lats and pecs are sore as hell...
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Haha enjoy the pain! I used to be at that stage too. No worries, I can tell you now that the overhand grip pull up will be yours very soon since you can already do chin ups.

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My pull ups are still stuck in the low rep range. Did nothing much but experimented with top holds, shorties and 50/50 isometric holds.
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