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 TD05h - 18g boost kick in late at 5k rpm, help me on my campro bolt-on turbo setup

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ThunderGod_Cid
post Jul 12 2011, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 12 2011, 11:50 AM)
the LE is for everyday use for my wife, so both engines also a good choice, 1.3 4efte don't have much problem using RON95, blacktop can't use pure RON95, need to mix half RON97.  but the FC really good on blacktop, sometimes can travel 9 days in 1 full tank, which is only RM60 (mix 50-50)

your hybrid turbo is from what turbo?  still making the manifold?
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compressor = ct12b from 1kz land cruiser
turbine housing - ct9 stock, rebored to suit the comp wheel and housing of the 12b

manifold still in the make.

As for your blacktop, can't detune it with unichip/adaptronic?


QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 12:13 PM)
wah.. long reply edi.. biggrin.gif
btw.. boosted at 1bar.. maybe the 18g is the culprit.. the turbo is too big for the engine i think.. maybe i shud put back the TD04hl..

can i do something for the 16g..? or shud buy a new one..?

thanks for all the comment..
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post Jul 12 2011, 12:51 PM

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hahaa.. even GT auto also poison me to take the ball bearing turbine..
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post Jul 12 2011, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 12 2011, 12:23 PM)
compressor = ct12b from 1kz land cruiser
turbine housing - ct9 stock, rebored to suit the comp wheel and housing of the 12b

manifold still in the make.

As for your blacktop, can't detune it with unichip/adaptronic?
Buy a smaller ball bearing charger wink.gif
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of course can, but don't have time to go KL, install the ECU and dyno tune (which will take a whole day), and ipoh don't have tuning shops..... sweat.gif

anyway, beside unichip and adaptronic, do u know any other piggyback good for tuning to use RON95?


Added on July 12, 2011, 3:29 pm
QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 12:51 PM)
hahaa.. even GT auto also poison me to take the ball bearing turbine..
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at last got reply from TS. of course they want u to take the ball bearing, same like me last time when i go there for tuning...haha, few years back they highly recommend the GT3540 for my engine


Added on July 12, 2011, 3:33 pm
QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 12:13 PM)
wah.. long reply edi.. biggrin.gif
btw.. boosted at 1bar.. maybe the 18g is the culprit.. the turbo is too big for the engine i think.. maybe i shud put back the TD04hl..

can i do something for the 16g..? or shud buy a new one..?

thanks for all the comment..
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u should change back to TD04hl, since it works for u, just boost high a bit since u lowered the compression already, your 0.4 bar standard boost don't have any feel, 0.6 bar is quite ok for stock internals

u got a 16g? or u meant 18g? if u got extra cash to spend, u can always hybrid the turbo, go ask some experts like tong turbo, they know how to make a big turbo spool fast

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post Jul 12 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 12 2011, 03:24 PM)
u should change back to TD04hl, since it works for u, just boost high a bit since u lowered the compression already, your 0.4 bar standard boost don't have any feel, 0.6 bar is quite ok for stock internals

u got a 16g? or u meant 18g? if u got extra cash to spend, u can always hybrid the turbo, go ask some experts like tong turbo, they know how to make a big turbo spool fast
i still keep my td04hl.. not sure how many G.. biggrin.gif
currently running on Td05..

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post Jul 12 2011, 04:35 PM

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from my knowledge, i think the TD04HL is the largest turbo in the TD04 series, correct me if i'm wrong. even subaru imprezzas (not the STI version) uses this, it's good up to around 250hp on flywheel on high boost on a 2litre motor, so TS u got lots of potential using the TD04HL, no need TD05 which is just a waste of revs

previously u dyno how many horses and torque u got from the TD04? and what rev achieves max boost?

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post Jul 12 2011, 04:48 PM

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TD04hl
boost: 0.4bar
HP: 170hp
Torque: 220nm
boost full: 3.5k rpm

TD05h
boost: 0.97bar
HP: 230hp
Torque: 226nm
boost full @ rev cut..

both dyno done at GT Auto..

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QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 04:48 PM)
TD04hl
boost: 0.4bar
HP: 170hp
Torque: 220nm
boost full: 3.5k rpm

TD05h
boost: 0.97bar
HP: 230hp
Torque: 226nm
boost full @ rev cut..

both dyno done at GT Auto..
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wow, u already boost to 1bar on TD05, so why don't just boost the TD04 to 1bar? i'm almost certain u'll achieve similar figures much earlier on the revs. even if the hp is lower than 230hp, your full boost comes (much) earlier, the car will be more fun to drive

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post Jul 12 2011, 04:55 PM

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ya.. im thinking like that also..
mybe i'll revert back to td04hl and just sell the td05.. hhaha..

btw.. is there any way where we can cover the power drop at hi-rpm if using td04..??
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post Jul 12 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 04:55 PM)
ya.. im thinking like that also..
mybe i'll revert back to td04hl and just sell the td05.. hhaha..

btw.. is there any way where we can cover the power drop at hi-rpm if using td04..??
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u already got hi-cams, cam gears, good ECU, what about your exhaust side? u ask gt-auto better, they r much more qualified than me
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post Jul 12 2011, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(benjoe @ Jul 12 2011, 04:48 PM)
TD04hl
boost: 0.4bar
HP: 170hp
Torque: 220nm
boost full: 3.5k rpm

TD05h
boost: 0.97bar
HP: 230hp
Torque: 226nm
boost full @ rev cut..

both dyno done at GT Auto..
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 12 2011, 04:57 PM)
u already got hi-cams, cam gears, good ECU, what about your exhaust side?  u ask gt-auto better, they r much more qualified than me
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you prolly want to have bigger sized IC and exhaust pipes, and also oversized throttle body to compensate the amount of air going in and out of the engine since you already have cams


Added on July 12, 2011, 5:15 pm
QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 12 2011, 03:24 PM)
of course can, but don't have time to go KL, install the ECU and dyno tune (which will take a whole day), and ipoh don't have tuning shops..... sweat.gif

anyway, beside unichip and adaptronic, do u know any other piggyback good for tuning to use RON95?
thinking thinking think think think you cant use emanage. So... another alternative other than adaptronic and unichip would be AEM's fuel/ignition controller. not sure if its compatible or not though. I heard it's got more tuning points than emanage's 16x16

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post Jul 12 2011, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 12 2011, 05:12 PM)
thumbup.gif i like


Added on July 12, 2011, 5:13 pm
you prolly want to have bigger sized IC and exhaust pipes, and also oversized throttle body to compensate the amount of air going in and out of the engine since you already have cams


Added on July 12, 2011, 5:15 pm

thinking thinking think think think you cant use emanage. So... another alternative other than adaptronic and unichip would be AEM's fuel/ignition controller. not sure if its compatible or not though. I heard it's got more tuning points than emanage's 16x16
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emanage incompatible with blacktop? how bout 1jz-gte....? i asked because my next project involving this

hey thundergod, i saw you r selling drift gauges, the boost meter only has psi values? no bar values? looks damn cool!

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post Jul 12 2011, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jul 12 2011, 05:19 PM)
emanage incompatible with blacktop?  how bout 1jz-gte....? i asked because my next project involving this

hey thundergod, i saw you r selling drift gauges, the boost meter only has psi values? no bar values? looks damn cool!
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these piggybacks i'd suggest you ask Alvin that used to work at Toms. A friend of mind

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post Jul 12 2011, 10:29 PM

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TS
can try td05-14b of from vr4
tested 1 at a 4g61t
boost 1 bar at 3.5 k and very good respond
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post Jul 13 2011, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Jul 12 2011, 10:29 PM)
TS
can try td05-14b of from vr4
tested 1 at a 4g61t
boost 1 bar at 3.5 k and very good respond
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1bar at 5000rpm la.... 14b compressor housing with 16g turbine housing= BAD combination ok. doh.gif
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post Jul 13 2011, 11:22 PM

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dunno y TS choose big size turbo but still maintain low boost

TD04 Works Best under 1.0 bar lar

if 1.2-1.5 bar , td05 would be better
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post Jul 14 2011, 02:53 AM

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szeonn is right in a way.

Well, get too big of a turbo and do a low boost, it's not gonna be as efficient as using a moderate sized turbo with slightly higher boost than the big one.

The turbo's efficiency has to match the engine's CFM and displacement. With this being the key to your setup, your turbo will be able to :

-spool up to desired boost faster
-spool up at earlier rpm
-pulls the car harder
-holds torque longer
-give you your target horsies

Using a huge-ass turbo with low bosot like <1bar, you're underusing it's efficiency


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post Jul 14 2011, 12:56 PM

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ya . i also got a bit regret use td05 on 4g93
last time i tot bigger turbo = boost faster . i am wrong lolzzz

but after emanage tuned , feel better

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post Jul 7 2012, 02:20 AM

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my car is boosting at 1.5 bar. Any idea if a td04 will help it? diesel - low rev high power. Full boost comes at 2k onwards.

However - my turbo is too small i feel to do so much of work. After remapped i got approx 170 ish whp and 380Nm of torque...when i reach full boost - it starts to whine ...like a mechanical sound which is annoying everytime i reach full boost
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hey TS, sorry but this is out of topic.

May I know where did you get your bolt on turbo installed and the price inclusive of installation?

I'm driving Proton Gen 2 Auto Campro IAFM. Planning on bolt on turbo but need to know the price to set a budget.

Did you find all the necessary parts yourself or the workshop got it for you?

Sorry to ask so much but really want to know.
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QUOTE(saru04 @ Jul 7 2012, 03:12 AM)
hey TS, sorry but this is out of topic.

May I know where did you get your bolt on turbo installed and the price inclusive of installation?

I'm driving Proton Gen 2 Auto Campro IAFM. Planning on bolt on turbo but need to know the price to set a budget.

Did you find all the necessary parts yourself or the workshop got it for you?

Sorry to ask so much but really want to know.
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