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post Jul 6 2011, 11:08 AM, updated 15y ago

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Last night i drove my Viva manual going uphill, then there was roadblock on the top of the hill, so traffic jam happen and all car stop and go. Suddenly while maintain acceleration, brake and clutch to move forward(slowly), there burning smell in my car and it become more odor until i pass the road block. I thought it was a brake pad so after the road block i stop and check the brake pad but not smelly there, it's in the front of engine bay near radiator. I was quite worried, so i assume the radiator not function. But after few while run the engine(idle) the radiator kicks in and i was relief. Then i drove back home with no problem. What's the burning smell actually?? hmm.gif

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post Jul 6 2011, 11:10 AM

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handbrake?
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post Jul 6 2011, 11:15 AM

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since its a manual, i figure u were balancing the clutch.. so im guessing its the clutch smell
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post Jul 6 2011, 11:15 AM

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did u notice water temp at the time ?
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post Jul 6 2011, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(DATO CHIKA @ Jul 6 2011, 11:15 AM)
Boss, coz u using manual, if go uphill got bad odur, it is definetely ur clutch plate almost "haus" need to replace for more power. If really haus, ur car still can go but cannot climb hill redi... If going down hill got odur, it is ur brake pad burnt smell, it is normal when u apply heavy brake downhill. K? please get it change, rm 200 to 300
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Clutch plate eh? I suspect too.... Since quite experiencing clutch judder. My car still under warranty, will get it change for free at Perodua SC right??

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post Jul 6 2011, 12:25 PM

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clutch plate burn.. burn plate burn
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post Jul 6 2011, 01:10 PM

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so fast you clutch plate burn liao.......!!!
what's the milelage.....??
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post Jul 6 2011, 01:48 PM

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Who asked you to balance the clutch?

Use handbrake lah if your feet are not fast enough. Balacing is not pro driving it's stupid driving.

Good luck with the money
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post Jul 6 2011, 02:54 PM

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no...your clucth plate still ok if your car is new...burning clucth alweys happen to ppl who's play on clucth balancing while climbing hill in traffic jammed...

to avoid clucth burning, use handbrake...or, u can use foot brake but need to play well with throttle, just like u use handbrake...

i beleive, it just clucth burns...not clucth worn out...ok
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post Jul 6 2011, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(joefbi @ Jul 6 2011, 02:54 PM)
no...your clucth plate still ok if your car is new...burning clucth alweys happen to ppl who's play on clucth balancing while climbing hill in traffic jammed...

to avoid clucth burning, use handbrake...or, u can use foot brake but need to play well with throttle, just like u use handbrake...

i beleive, it just clucth burns...not clucth worn out...ok
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How can use foot brake but not use clutch for manual tranny liao hmm.gif, must use simultaneously at low rpm to avoid engine stall....

Using handbrake is a good idea, but if the car moving slowly climbing hill (road block) how lerr, must use clutch also....

What different clutch burn and worn out?? Have to replace also right? unsure.gif

Why no warranty, even sliding windows got warranty.... sweat.gif
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post Jul 6 2011, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Jul 6 2011, 03:51 PM)
How can use foot brake but not use clutch for manual tranny liao  hmm.gif, must use simultaneously at low rpm to avoid engine stall....

Using handbrake is a good idea, but if the car moving slowly climbing hill (road block) how lerr, must use clutch also....

What different clutch burn and worn out?? Have to replace also right?  unsure.gif

Why no warranty, even sliding windows got warranty....  sweat.gif
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clutch have warranty meh? unless it was clutch system (flywheel, pump or padle)
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post Jul 6 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Jul 6 2011, 03:51 PM)
How can use foot brake but not use clutch for manual tranny liao  hmm.gif, must use simultaneously at low rpm to avoid engine stall....

Using handbrake is a good idea, but if the car moving slowly climbing hill (road block) how lerr, must use clutch also....

What different clutch burn and worn out?? Have to replace also right?  unsure.gif

Why no warranty, even sliding windows got warranty....  sweat.gif
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If u really used with manual tranny, u aso can use foot brake to duplicate handbrake function, need foot work to make it works...like in drift car...step ur throttle with toe, but feet still on brake. pushing your throttle abit than let go the brake. I rarely use handbrake while stop at traffic lite...just use foot brake, make it works just like u use the handbrake...go practise, u will know what i mean. this is only for experienced driver and knows his car better than others. dont talk to me about safety... of coz more safety on handbrake. i just wanna tell u it's possible to do.

how ler...u moving slowly must balanced clucth arrr? u are moving rite? use low gear than drive slowly larrr...
u drive manual or not?...its happen when u want to move, from complete stop (this condition happen like traffic jammed, move than stop, move again and stop again...only this time happen on hill climb) so need to press more throttle and balance the clucth for moving ahead to climb loh...if slow moving only, this condition not happen loh.
so, from complete stop, why cannot use hand brake?

clucth burn due to overheat like happen in the above situation...but still have clucth.
clucth worn out due to wear and tear...your clucth gone ady...need to replace.

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post Jul 6 2011, 11:51 PM

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i remember the 1st time i climb genting with persona auto, got burning smell oso.. i think it's normal maybe due to excessive heating

btw, why they setup roadblock on top of hill? wanna troll student driver is it? tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2011, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(joefbi @ Jul 6 2011, 09:23 PM)
If u really used with manual tranny, u aso can use foot brake to duplicate handbrake function, need foot work to make it works...like in drift car...step ur throttle with toe, but feet still on brake. pushing your throttle abit than let go the brake. I rarely use handbrake while stop at traffic lite...just use foot brake, make it works just like u use the handbrake...go practise, u will know what i mean. this is only for experienced driver and knows his car better than others. dont talk to me about safety... of coz more safety on handbrake. i just wanna tell u it's possible to do.

how ler...u moving slowly must balanced clucth arrr? u are moving rite? use low gear than drive slowly larrr...
u drive manual or not?...its happen when u want to move, from complete stop (this condition happen like traffic jammed, move than stop, move again and stop again...only this time happen on hill climb) so need to press more throttle and balance the clucth for moving ahead to climb loh...if slow moving only, this condition not happen loh.
so, from complete stop, why cannot use hand brake?

clucth burn due to overheat like happen in the above situation...but still have clucth.
clucth worn out due to wear and tear...your clucth gone ady...need to replace.
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Thanks for the info, waa heel and toe meh?? Must learn from Takumi to perform that kind of skill tongue.gif , what i mean by moving slowly, is real slow.... like moving tru bumpy road, rpm lower than 1k at 2nd gear, i have to press clutch a little if not the engine will vibrate or die off. I drive few car but just 2 manual tranny car only Kancil and Viva but both experience same method. Other car maybe different i guess(soft and hard clutch eh?)unsure.gif


Added on July 7, 2011, 11:00 am
QUOTE(clearcase @ Jul 6 2011, 11:51 PM)
i remember the 1st time i climb genting with persona auto, got burning smell oso.. i think it's normal maybe due to excessive heating

btw, why they setup roadblock on top of hill? wanna troll student driver is it? tongue.gif
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Haiyaaa.... Bersih road block one lerr.... Stupid roadblock doh.gif, On top of the hill to 'hide' the road block.... If not people can perform U turn if see road block rolleyes.gif

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post Jul 7 2011, 03:14 PM

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they will try hard to get u, if u wear bersih shirt, sure catch lor...very dumb.

i still say that if ur in moving, even just like into road bump, no need to clucthing...use low gear can drive what?

only clucthing while u want start moving, from complete stop...i dont get it.

but back to the main question...no worries, your car still can drive...no need change clucth plate loh
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post Jul 8 2011, 12:29 AM

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wow... seldom I hear a heel-toe method with the toe on the throttle and heel on the brakes!



TS : The clutch should still be fine IMHO. Unless it starts to slip after this, then you oughta replace the disc as the friction material is already burnt... rainbow colored
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 8 2011, 12:29 AM)
wow... seldom I hear a heel-toe method with the toe on the throttle and heel on the brakes!
TS : The clutch should still be fine IMHO. Unless it starts to slip after this, then you oughta replace the disc as the friction material is already burnt... rainbow colored
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yeah...because it was not for drifting...sure differ loh...hehehe

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post Jul 8 2011, 08:42 AM

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or it could be burn smell from other cars? since all cars gathered in front the roadblock which is full with exhaust fume too...
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post Jul 8 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 8 2011, 08:42 AM)
or it could be burn smell from other cars? since all cars gathered in front the roadblock which is full with exhaust fume too...
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I doubt smell from other car bcoz i stop after the dumb roadblock at the bus stop and smell my engine, definitely there whistling.gif
Yeah it still can drive fine like usual, therefore i'm not go for check at SC. At least for now eh.... Maybe it didn't last long enough for another 10k laugh.gif If slip clutch, cannot shifting gear right? hmm.gif
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post Jul 8 2011, 10:12 AM

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i doubt there is any concern to worry.. btw if ur car is too slow for 2nd gear, u can always put it into first.. the lesser time ur foot is spent of the clutch pedal the more it will last.. and dun rest ur foot on the pedal. u can still shift even with clutch slip.. u will know when there is slip, the rev will increase and the car doesnt pick up speed..
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post Jul 8 2011, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Predatorazor84 @ Jul 8 2011, 10:05 AM)
If slip clutch, cannot shifting gear right?  hmm.gif
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u still can shift gear, but ur GB will overheat and losing some power from engine...
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post Jul 8 2011, 12:08 PM

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burning smell will not cause a problem.. u clutch plate still can be used as long the plate is still thick lor.. =)
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QUOTE(joefbi @ Jul 8 2011, 08:36 AM)
yeah...because it was not for drifting...sure differ loh...hehehe
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so to say... even if you go for touge you use this method? Heel on the brake and toes on the pedal?

I see I see


Added on July 8, 2011, 2:04 pmif the clutch is totally burnt, the friction material is screwed. No matter how thick is it, it just wont grip anymore. Once you take the clutch out of the tranny you'll see a rainbow'ish color along the friction plate.

If it's fine now, then it'll be fine until the clutch disc finishes

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post Jul 8 2011, 03:34 PM

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read carefully bro...TS already stated the burning smell come out from front engine bay while he stopped aside
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 8 2011, 12:29 AM)
wow... seldom I hear a heel-toe method with the toe on the throttle and heel on the brakes!
TS : The clutch should still be fine IMHO. Unless it starts to slip after this, then you oughta replace the disc as the friction material is already burnt... rainbow colored
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new method kot.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(joefbi @ Jul 8 2011, 03:34 PM)
read carefully bro...TS already stated the burning smell come out from front engine bay while he stopped aside
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that was only a one-off time. and the car was find after that, no?

MY own car I drive and got stuck in Karak jam for 4hours, so gruesome and brutal that I boiled the clutch fluid and tat I basically had no more clutch and stopped by the road side and that the clutch discs were also fried and burning up at that period at that time and still, it's fine today?

So you're saying your brake pads fade once, and then must throw away already? Probably, if you brake with your heels hahhahaha
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Jul 9 2011, 11:45 AM)
that was only a one-off time. and the car was find after that, no?

MY own car I drive and got stuck in Karak jam for 4hours, so gruesome and brutal that I boiled the clutch fluid and tat I basically had no more clutch and stopped by the road side and that the clutch discs were also fried and burning up at that period at that time and still, it's fine today?

So you're saying your brake pads fade once, and then must throw away already? Probably, if you brake with your heels hahhahaha
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I'm facing same problem,
Luckly i found this thred..

But one more question..
after 2 or 3 days used..the burn smell still there even on normal driving..
Is this consider as a problem?
But there were no slip problem..

i was hopping after certain period..the smell can be faded after the burning area come back to normal by the friction..

It going to caused me 700++ to change it..😭

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QUOTE(peggie @ Nov 14 2012, 11:44 AM)
I'm facing same problem,
Luckly i found this thred..

But one more question..
after 2 or 3 days used..the burn smell still there even on normal driving..
Is this consider as a problem?
But there were no slip problem..

i was hopping after certain period..the smell can be faded after the burning area come back to normal by the friction..

It going to caused me 700++ to change it..😭
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when was the last tie you changed you clutch?
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post Nov 14 2012, 02:03 PM

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Its Clutch burning smell, I kena also..until smoking...with my old Benz...old car handbrake tak makan, so had to balance the clutch on an small hill during jam..but after that can drive normally...no probs..
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I used to drive manual tranny for years.

Don't do clutch balancing for more than 2 seconds.
Clutch is either fully pressed, or fully released.

If need to stop, step on brake and FULLY depress clutch (or disengage gear). Do not depress it halfway.
If not pro enough, then use hand-brake.

When need to creep/move forward, then only release clutch, balance it, immediate swap right leg from brake and balance the accelerator for a smooth go. All in, it should just take 0.5-1.0 seconds for any average Joe drivers like me.
When done properly, the car will not roll back. Or, the car may start to roll back (feel it), but within that 0.5 seconds, once clutch is engaging/engaged, the car will move forward but not surge too much also.

Never have any burning smell on my manual tranny car before, even Genting/Cameron/etc. or stuck in continuous jam.

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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Nov 14 2012, 01:32 PM)
when was the last tie you changed you clutch?
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It is persona, milage about 50K..consider still early for having changes..
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QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 14 2012, 02:03 PM)
Its Clutch burning smell, I kena also..until smoking...with my old Benz...old car handbrake tak makan, so had to balance the clutch on an small hill during jam..but after that can drive normally...no probs..
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Hey bro... better get the rear brake service/fix, you'll never know when you need to park your car the the slope, unless u use a brick to press on the foot brake.

QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Nov 14 2012, 02:50 PM)
I used to drive manual tranny for years.

Don't do clutch balancing for more than 2 seconds.
Clutch is either fully pressed, or fully released.

If need to stop, step on brake and FULLY depress clutch (or disengage gear). Do not depress it halfway.
If not pro enough, then use hand-brake.

When need to creep/move forward, then only release clutch, balance it, immediate swap right leg from brake and balance the accelerator for a smooth go. All in, it should just take 0.5-1.0 seconds for any average Joe drivers like me.
When done properly, the car will not roll back. Or, the car may start to roll back (feel it), but within that 0.5 seconds, once clutch is engaging/engaged, the car will move forward but not surge too much also.

Never have any burning smell on my manual tranny car before, even Genting/Cameron/etc. or stuck in continuous jam.
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You are right, moving between brake and accelerator has to be fast, and always fully engage/release the clutch, or else need to use hand brake. Using excessive friction at the clutch to hold the car will generate heat and it is quite damaging.

Maybe can lazy a bit, just stop, wait for space for 2 cars then only start moving slowly again... i don't think driver behind will be cruel enough to horn you gua...

Anyway, i once followed an auto car craw up the spiral multi-level car park in very slow speed (no jam + 100% clear) till my car engine about to die off at 1st gear @#$%. Hope auto drivers be considerate for their driving speed...


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QUOTE(Alan @ Nov 14 2012, 04:15 PM)
Hey bro... better get the rear brake service/fix, you'll never know when you need to park your car the the slope, unless u use a brick to press on the foot brake.

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