I think in your case, you definitely would have been better off just buying an Estima or Alphard. Both equally comfortable and spacious. Especially if its a full spec Alphard/Vellfire! Power doors, captain seats, DVD entertainment, reverse camera etc all built in. Maybe the Ford S-max also would have been a fine choice but perhaps no Ford service center in your area.

Nothing better than having a mobile living room on the go

Yeah, these are small intangible factors (outside of the usual specs and accessories) which can influence a person's decision. But this is a very subjective area and up to each person's preference.

Yeah those are spacious and luxurious. Only downside is the fuel consumption... I guess u can't have everything

Any idea of the fuel consumption for the Alphard/Vellfire?

As for the S-Max, spaciousness not in the same category as Alphard. In particular the last row is too cramped for my taste.

I think FC can't be that great since the car is so heavy!

Comfort yes. The Camry's seats are more comfortable compared to the Optima. Same goes for the suspension. And yes i think the Camry is marginally more spacious inside but not by alot. I still think the Teana and Accord are the biggest inside among these few makes.

But how did u test interior legroom?

The new Merc B class is said to have huge leg room at the rear I believe, the Skoda Superb also offers S class like space at the back.

premium cars like merc, bmw, lexus is running on rear wheel drive. rear wheel drive is a better driving dynamic compare to front wheel. like sports car lambor, ferrari, porche also rear wheel drive(RWD).
thus RWD need a rear wheel shaft to make the rear wheel running as the engine at front. so u can imagine. merely a rear wheel shaft can easily cost RM30-50k. this is why car below 200k do not come with this.

medium class like japanese car all is front wheel drive(FWD). even volkswagen and audi also mostly FWD unless is high spec that come with all wheel drive(AWD)

I still found quite funny as the kepalapening claimed that the Nissan Teana steering is too soft, then if he/she found the Nissan Teana steering too soft, I think the Camry is even worse, I found the Teana steering is tuned to quite balance, not too light and not too heavy, for sure not as responsive as the Ford Mondeo or Accord, but compare to Camry, I think the Teana is much better, now really make me kepalapening! 

Taiko, that's is Latio, you can't use Latio as your benchmark and said Teana also the same mar, 

anyone here own the latest camry? how long is the service interval? 10k km? tq.

Kepala Pening, still no update on your 100% city fuel consumption? 

I can already tell from your post that you are a very hard to please fella. Granted, nobody wants to wait for 3 days but if it's their SOP then what else can you say? What they probably should have done is to offer a courtesy car ( I know they don't always do that), that would have been the right thing to do to keep the customer happy.

In your case, you should just stick to Honda, Toyota or Nissan. As far as I'm concerned, these 3 companies are the only companies in Malaysia at the time of this writing that has the biggest service coverage and support across the nation. Forget about the others in your case, I would recommend selling off the Polo TSI in exchange for an Altis/Sylphy/Civic or similiar car. It's suitable for your character who cannot tolerate any fault a car develop or when problem occurs, it must be rectified in 2 days or less.

My verdict still stands, you don't want to deal with potential problems and easy fuss free ownership, just go with Honda, Toyota or Nissan.  You want to buy Peugeot or Ford or VW then be prepared to deal with whatever problems which may arise. After all, these brands haven't been that active in our market until a few years back so you'd need to adjust your expectations in line with their current capabilities.

Yes and lose out on value for money, specs, power, transmission, handling, safety and design? 

Go read the KPMG Global Automotive Survey report 2012. By 2016 VW is expected to increase its current market share by 73% while Hyundai Kia comes in 2nd with 63%. Toyota is at a distant 32%. In short, although Toyota still reigns at No 1, its market share is being slowly eroded by other upcoming car manufacturers and for good reason too.

Fanboys wont bother about engine and other mechanical advantages. Fanboys talk mostly about mods and rarely do they argue with maturity. So please go check the meaning of being a fanboy before commenting ya. If ure not bothered then why bother posting +1 remarks everywhere? U post +1 when ppl talk about 1 or 2 plus points but when your your Camry's negative points are highlighted u immediately claim ure not bothered? 

My pads are fine. SO u actually took the trouble to search around for problems with the Optima? WHy? Running out of bullets to fight? Common..im sure ure more mature than that rite? And with all your research u could only come up with that 1 tiny issue which affected just him i guess?



The more u try and defend yourself the more u get stuck in the muck.

Actually that's what I thought too. For anyone whose got 180k to splurge on a car, hasn't bought a car yet and it has to be a Toyota, then why not an Alphard instead?

Comfort 5*
Safety 5*
Space 5*
Convenience equipment 5*

Seats 5 to 7 comfortably I believe

Its clear that u havent really sat in an Alphard or driven one before rite? If ure not sure about stuff, why do u even post comments i wonder?