It's pretty tough for me to get good FC because as I've said, I'm on city roads more often

Routes that I often use:

Tropicana Mall towards NKVE Damansara toll plaza (City)
LDP short distance turning towards NKVE Damansara toll plaza road.(mix city/highway)
Residential route towards NZX/Ara Damansara (city)
Old airport road towards Subang Jaya or towards Puchong and usually either going to Bandar Puteri or Opposite IOI mall shoplot area (mix city/highway)
Penchala Link towards Kuala Lumpur (highway)
Duke Highway towards Ampang (highway)
Highway towards midvalley from Taman Maluri (highway but forever jam one this stupid road)
Federal Highway towards KLCC (mix city/highway)
NKVE towards Bukit Raja Klang or route into Kesas Highway towards Kota Kemuning (Highway)
NPE towards Cheras (Mostly Highway)
From Lowyat to Jalan Loke Yew then into Damansara highway (mix city/highway)
Damansara Highway towards KLCC area (mix city/highway)
Penchala link towards Jalan Kuching and routing to KLCC (mix city/highway)

More often than not, stuck in traffic jam... so how to achieve good mileage like that? Can only hit 100km/hr every now and then... Grrrrr!

Yeah actually, it's tough due to all the conditions you've stated.

So better to just standardize

What's your instant FC reading when your gauge is 2000RPM ~ 3000RPM @ 120km/hr on a flat straight road with NO ELEVATION? That way we can limit the scope and get a fair and accurate number.

Ok, back on topic.

It's tough to recommend anyone buying the new Camry based on the asking prices and the features given.

Buy it if you are after:

Better resale value
Ease of selling the car when its time is up
Good after sales service
If it's the only car brand that has a service center closest to where you are staying
Comfortable and Spacious ride

Don't buy it if you are after:

Good handling and performance
Premium Safety features
Convenience & styling features
5 year or more warranty
Value for money
Latest technological innovation in automotive engineering

If fuel prices were really at market rate, how many people here you think can afford to keep their cars? If cars maintained their ridiculous prices here.

Imagine if 1L of fuel cost like RM3.30 @ Ron95?

Vios full tank = RM138.60 (42 liters)
Civic full tank = RM165.0 (50 liters)
Altis full tank = RM181.5 (55 liters)
Camry full tank = RM231 (70 liters)

That's a week worth of fuel. In one month, it's quite a significant chunk of salary there. So yeah, cars would definitely need to be bloody cheap if they want to do this.

That's why I say it has to be cheap enough if petrol is to follow market prices, imagine if you're paying 2k for car installment and another 1k or so just for petrol, unless you're making like 9k a month, it's going to burn in a huge hole in anyone who is making anything less than 7k.

I don't see how they can remove the excise duty anytime soon, if they do it, it will have to be implemented in stages, probably over a period of 10 years to soften the impact on new car buyers. On top of that, they have to make sure public transportation is good enough to support the general population, something which the government has been dragging its feet for years.

No, because at that price point, you're not just paying for the engine, you're paying for the overall package and the overall package is pretty damn impressive. But this is Asia, and it's hard to overcome the mindset of paying so much money for a Japanese luxury brand over its continental rivals.

Haha ok, i get it now.

Actually I agree with the personal view that Korean cars look a bit too extreme particularly the K5. It's kind of hard to shake off the image of a boy racer despite the car looking the most trendy and sporty of the bunch. The Sonata actually looks a lot more sedate and fluid IMO but ain't my cup of tea.

Has anyone taken a look at the new 2013 Accord? My god, what did they do to the car

Got a fairly good reading on FC now cruising at 90km/hr. consumption figures is about 5.3L/100km @ 2050RPM while 130km/hr figures is around 6.6L/100km @ 2300RPM. Nice empty highway along LATAR can get nice figures.

It's about 2100RPM or so. FC is quite respectable at 5.8 ~ 6.3L/100km

@ 130km/hr - it's about 2300RPM and FC is alternating around 6.6L/100km ~ 7.1L/100km.

I reckon if I engage cruise control, the FC figures should drop and hover around a lower figure.

It's not a difficult thing to do, the next time you go to a petrol station and pump petrol. Write down the km travelled in trip A. it should be 600 or 700+ if you zero your trip meter at every fillup. Then look at your receipt and note down the gas up pumped in. You give us those figures, we can calculate how good your FC is

Yeah but it more or less let you know what kind of ballpark figures you can expect and estimated mileage when you drive. It's not strange to estimate roughly how much distance you can travel looking at your fuel tank and consumption info, I do that fairly often just to try to lower my FC in city driving.

Yes realistically, I think the new Camry would fall into the range of 9.xx to 11.xx for pure city driving conditions. It would probably be able to get that kind of mileage with very little effort. If there's one thing that Toyota does fairly well, it's definitely optimizing their engine for good fuel efficiency

If anything, I expect this Camry to better the previous Camry figures by about 10 ~ 15% and also better its rivals in FC as well.

Logically:

Less safety equipment = less weight = improve FC
ACIS = improve FC
Dual VVTI = improve FC
6 Speed AT = better than 5 speed or 4 speed = improve FC
Less weight due to stronger and lighter materials used in construction = improve FC
Tinted car provided default = less power used to power A/C = improve FC
Car has parts that reduce drag by default = improve FC

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Aug 22 2012, 01:30 PM

One of the most respected publications in US reviewed the Toyota Camry Hybrid 2012 (US) as one of the top 10 choices for consumers to buy. The Hyundai Sonata (US) also falls in the top 10 choices, underlining how far Koreans have come since their debut over 20 years ago.

Now if only they reviewed the Asian variants - I'm sure they will more than a few interesting things to say, LOL!

Eh, the rev is as good as mine at that speed and mine is a 7 speed DSG gearbox. But not surprising at all, Toyota have always tuned their cars towards good fuel efficiency rather than power.

That range counter is never accurate and if I'm not mistaken, the car will light up once the tank has used up about 60 to 63L of fuel, meaning, there will always be petrol in the tank unless you really drive it dry. Even my car's range counter is not accurate, always show about 700km but end up I usually have to fill up at 600km or so with only 4L of fuel left in the tank

I think it's just the counter programming. If you ask me, I think the range difference between our cars is at most what? 5 to 10%? That's a realistic figure if driving style and road conditions are equal.

Never light up? You sure or not? When fuel tank nearly empty, if it don't light up then how to know if you nearing empty tank or not?

I think safe to assume 70% highway and 30% city with that kind of mileage.

It's quite hard to talk about a car that's underwhelming in many aspects.

Warranty - Not as good as their rivals
Specs - Not as good as their rivals
Safety - Not as good as their rivals

Won't comment about look or performance because these are quite subjective to different individual based on their preference. It is reliable, comfortable, very spacious and very easy to sell off though but those points aren't anything new to begin with.

Perhaps if it did come with class leading specs such as blind spot vehicle assist system or lane departure warning system or adaptive cruise control then there'll be more buzz. Otherwise, aside from FC... is there anything to discuss?

Even if you talk about aftermarket mods, what else is there to do in the 2.5V?

Soundproofing? Dynamat? 3M? Wurth?
Tinting? 3M, Vkool, Llumar, Huper Optik - choose your poison
Body kit? Dunno if there's even anything good out right now
Audio System?

ACIS system - ?
Dual VVTI engine - ?
High tensile steel GOA body construction - ?