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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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IluvProton
post Aug 12 2012, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 12 2012, 08:56 AM)
Thanks. I think the big problem is that the D segment Camry is compared to other D segment cars in Malaysia, and compared to those it does feel a bit lacking. What makes it worse is that we know that Toyota has all the tech, but simply doesn't offer it, or even removes it from previous generations. If (when) Toyota fixes that it'll be a decent car again, but until then I can't recommend it, and I hope people just stop buying it, and tell the SA why.

In other countries the Camry/Avensis can be sold at a competitive enough price, with all the same specs the competitors have. In Malaysia the price is the same, but all the specs are missing, especially the ones that are important, and that are, IMHO, to be expected in the D segment. If I pay this much I want safety. I want to be protected as good as possible, I don't want to be on the same level as a Myvi. Think that is a reasonable thing to expect.
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Toyota Car offer most tech was Prius / Prius C in malaysia. Thats what I been said it earlier. As I said, T is still a good car but it didn't match my needs. I need more than reliable and comfort ride.
Other car manufacturer now following trend like cool gadget and tech. No to mention Luxury car.
You can see Camry Keyless remote...... all plastic, Even korean car keyless better looking.

Check with Nissan Almera, They even got auto pop up bonnet and door auto open. Although I don't like roundish design

Checking with car news, jap car now more into electrical cars instead of petrol engine. Guess that might be the answer.
Last month in Japan top 4 best selling car were also hybrid. Honda now even plant to built their hyrid in malaysia.

Problem: they less focus on petrol car?
good: hybrid car might be cheap in parts and more efficiency smile.gif

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post Aug 12 2012, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 12 2012, 12:19 PM)
Yeah, Prius and Prius C are perfectly fine, and if I'd be in the market for a B segment car I'd probably be picking between Fiesta sedan and Prius C.

To be honest I'd rather have a car without keyless go, for safety reasons (a technically skilled car thief with an accomplice could probably easily steal the car while you are sitting in a restaurant). Some gadgets are unnecessary... what's wrong with inserting a key?

I'm more interested in safety gadgets. Auto braking, lane assist, auto steering, auto parking, ... that's nice.

A hybrid means the petrol/diesel powertrain is still important. However they have a different approach to improve FC (bigger engines rather than smaller ones). As Mazda has shown that approach can make sense too... we'll see which one is better. The Ford 1.0 3 cylinder seems to be a very interesting approach too, as it was designed as a massively turbocharged engine from the get go, unlike most other downsized engines.
Anyway somehow I think the turbocharged conti engines are more suited for hybrids, since they are (can be) optimized for a smaller RPM range, especially at low RPM, which would be ideal for generators. Thus the electric motor moves the thing, powered by the batteries, and when the batteries are empty the engine generates electricity to charge the batteries and power the electro motors. Because of this it doesn't matter if the engine is undriveable due to how it delivers power.
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sorry, the keyless just example. Just I can't really tell why for a car more than 100k getting a plain plastic which might cost only 50 cents extra for better casing? Packing are 1 of the selling point. Right?

prius got HUD, auto sensor, Electrical handbrake, and so. cost 145k vs Altis 1.8G = 126k = 10k diff and you get a hybrid + alot new stuff. I cant say it was good, but for me to choose toyota again. only worth to buy was prius / C or hilux.

4 x 4 hilux = really I reccomended since I been using 2 generation hilux. the lastest I haven't got it. But if you compare other 4 x 4 = price wise very same, but durability compare previous ranger, navara, D-max, triton = It quite reliable. Navara lack of power when comes to hill climb, D-max got few times electronic failure. Triton is good but not as comfort / silence as hilux smile.gif
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post Aug 12 2012, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 12 2012, 01:50 PM)
Push the button to switch on, accelerate 2 the desired speed and set. Even at low speed.
Can slow down and speed up also using the lever.
To cancel just pull the lever or apply brake.
I dono about other cars, but, it's far better than the one installed in my ex-ria.
Ops I've done comparison with the old kia again.
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if let say you set cruise 100km/h when climb hill, will it be keep rev up till 100km/h?


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post Aug 12 2012, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(KLTEOH @ Aug 12 2012, 04:19 PM)
i'm using triton since 2007. it is a good choice with no regret..hilux relly under power compared to the market, unless the 3.2cc. if u drive 2.5.cc. how u push . the car still dun listen to what u want.. before i buy triton.. go test drive hilux.. after jump in triton.. really feel different. in term of reliable.. triton n hilux both are reliable.. y pay more to get the under power and old tech...
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sorry hijack camry thread. true the pickup if you middle hill. Triton perform better.

I only don't like the 1st version triton I test drove. In the middle stop traffic light, I heard the engine sound 'kede kede kede' compare with hilux blush.gif that why I said hilux offer better comfort. Now don't know cause haven't try late triton brows.gif


Added on August 12, 2012, 10:05 pm
QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 12 2012, 03:32 PM)
Yup.
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 12 2012, 03:50 PM)
Need to reach 80km/h in order to use it.


Added on August 12, 2012, 8:51 pm

Accelerate when uphill and brake when downhill.
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so Camry now using electronic control cruising liao drool.gif unlike year 2004 model.
auto cruise using the fuel sensor type not the speed sensor.

good good

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post Aug 14 2012, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(masz94 @ Aug 14 2012, 01:12 AM)
Yup, quite useful.... Kia Sorento got this.... Just flick the knob and the speed will increase a bit...
If u want say move from 100 km/h to 140 km/h, just hold it and it will accelerate until u release the knob (till u reach ur desired speed, u stop)....

About Citroen, gotta agree.... Form the reviews, yeah it's suspension is hard to beat...
Heck Citroen's is famous for it's suspension...

Hopefully Naza can revive Citroen.....  laugh.gif
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citroen is dying sad.gif

need their big bro AKA puggy to help I guess
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post Aug 16 2012, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Aug 16 2012, 03:48 PM)
Well the opposition couldnt care less about P1 or P2's survival. P1's existance is merely to keep certain ppl's pocket inflated. Abolishing tax is kinda like a win-win situation where rakyat get to enjoy quality cars at more affordable price and at the same time, deflating some ppl's pockets.

But there's always a drawback to everything. Imagine how much more cars will be flooding the streets? I remember 3 years back when I was working near KLCC. Every morning Jalan Ampang will be jammed pack, and I'll take an alternative route ie Jalan Ampang Hilir. Smooth traffic there till I reach AmpWalk.

Last week, I attended a training in KL so I gotta drive through Jalan Ampang. As per 3 years ago, Jalan Ampang is packed with cars. So I thought of taking the alternative route again. Just when I make a turn into that route, I was surprised! Even the alternative route is not spared from being drenched in seas of cars shakehead.gif

Imagine in 3 years alone, how many cars have been added onto the malaysian roads. Problem here is, there's no mechanism to control the amount of cars on the road. In other countries, there are policies to scrap cars of certain age to keep things in control. But here? If you implement such thing, I'm sure there will be a public outcry by poor folks crying discrimination against the poor etc etc and some politicians will take opportunity to act hero, jumping out and "championing" the poor's rights, ending up in status quo.
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Before I got great hope on this.... after like 7 years already still like this. my hope gone and I continue my life with my lousy car. sad.gif

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post Aug 21 2012, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 21 2012, 03:15 AM)
45 units is the increase over last month. Total is 165 units for June. U know how to read the table right?
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he was comparing june and may var about 45 units. smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 21 2012, 08:18 AM)
Then what did he mean when he said: "even Audi or lexus has more units". Seemed like he was saying even Audi and Lexus sold more than 45 units.
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sory, this u need to ask him liao tongue.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 21 2012, 07:42 PM)
Tody I drive from KL-Grik-KB.
This time I met about 7 new Camry on the road.
Saw only one k5 heading west, one passat that tailgating me near Kuala Kangsar.
One Mazda 3 that run a red light in order to overtake me.
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dun tell me the K5 is white color
and passat was grey color
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if around KK, i always see this 2 car same colour same plate laugh.gif

those 2 car = K5 regular driver, passat is flying as always. both also A plate
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post Sep 3 2012, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Sep 3 2012, 05:38 AM)
prius C this small hybrid oledi cost about rm90k+ at malaysia liao with included tax cut....

if bring in camry hybrid  sweat.gif  sweat.gif it might not hav sales at all
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no, hybrid in which CC above 2000 will not have duties exampted.
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post Sep 3 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 3 2012, 09:52 AM)
Tell me about it, I sent my wife's Honda Civic FB for 3M tinting over the weekend and I had the pleasure of looking at an actual S-line fully loaded Audi A4 and that freaking B&O sound system almost made me want to drive down to Singapore and retrofit my Passat Audio System with Dynaudio speakers instead.

Bang & Olfusen. Damn!
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talking bout audio. beside conti car. japan/korean car got the audio will auto adjust volume depend your car speed? hmm.gif

W204 got those. nvr notice. tot veli nice system until i found it will become louder.
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post Sep 3 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 3 2012, 10:32 AM)
My previous gen Altis had it. The current Gen Civic has it.

Truthfully, the audio is just bad. No range, no mid-tone, no depth. I pump the audio louder and you can hear the sound cracking. The Camry 2.4V audio is only slightly better IMO. I dunno about the 2.5V but stock audio can't be that great IMO. The Passat audio is decent, not fantastic just decent, but it's still nothing compared to that B&O System which I had the pleasure of listening to.
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hmm.gif I also drive previous Gen altis 1.8G wor. also tarak keh wor.

altis batch is 2005
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post Sep 3 2012, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 3 2012, 10:42 AM)
Sorry, I mean my ex- current gen 2008 Altis, lol. It has ALS system in the Pioneer built-in audio. It doesn't change the fact that the audio is really $hitty.
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cheh ! I kena tipu icon_idea.gif

anyway, to be honest previous gen altis much quality built than the current. No Offence.

I only sit in the current altis few times. but the door like look low quality built (1.8 version not 2.0)

sound so empty and plastic. the door handle so small.
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post Sep 3 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 3 2012, 10:53 AM)
Don't know, don't care. I no longer drive an Altis anyway.

There's no way I'll buy another Japanese car after the VW. Don't care how well-featured the Japanese/Korean marques are, unless they come with a turbo, I'm not going back to Japanese/Korean.
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how bout prever rolleyes.gif
got turbo wor, no? brows.gif brows.gif
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post Sep 3 2012, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 3 2012, 11:16 AM)
You trying to be funny is it? Want to kana slap ah? LOL

But the answer is no, I will either maintain the current ride or upgrade to a Luxury C-segment instead when the time comes.
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AIYOYO~ dun angry. just saying. nia . I meet ur requirement.

luxury c.. mmmm...... mmmmmmm.... k . go for F30 brows.gif coz havent got bmw yet.


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post Sep 3 2012, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Sep 3 2012, 02:48 PM)
I think it have its market lar. I'm looking forward to Camry Hyrid establish in Malaysia,  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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This just in. Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, who is also Finance Minister, is reading his Budget 2012 speech at the moment, and he has already touched on something that involves the auto sector, announcing that incentives given to hybrid cars have been extended till 31 December 2013!

Here’s some background: In Budget 2011, the government introduced FULL import duty and excise duty exemption for hybrid and electric cars and motorcycles.

Previously, it was 100% import duty exemption and 50% excise duty exemption, Budget 2011 made it 100% exemption for BOTH import duty and excise duty. The deal, for hybrid cars with 2.0 litre engines and below, was supposed to expire on Dec 31, 2011.

This has led to huge growth in sales for hybrid models such as the Honda Insight and Toyota Prius, while Lexus took advantage of this incentive to bring in the CT 200h hatchback at an attractive price. Honda Malaysia and UMW Toyota will be happy with today’s announcement and can plan ahead from now, bringing in more of the hybrids.


cross your finger the car is 2.0 and below engine
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post Sep 3 2012, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 3 2012, 04:15 PM)
If that is true, there will be demand for 2.0 Hybrid Camry  hmm.gif
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m.. let me put this straight.

current toyota hybrid

prius - 145k
prius c - 97k

how much you guess the camry hybrid if is fall under 2.0 engine ? 170k? 12k diff only hmm.gif or more than 182k?
business strategy won't create a product that will effect their other catergory product.

btw,

The Camry Hybrid received improvements, including a revised version of the Hybrid Synergy Drive, paired with an Atkinson cycle version of the standard 2.5 2AR-FXE liter 4-cylinder that delivers net system power of 149 kW (200 bhp), up from 139 kW (187 bhp) in the previous model, and allows the new model to achieve a 39% increase in fuel economy rating, giving the Camry Hybrid best MPG ratings among mid-size sedans.[5][6] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency rated the Camry Hybrid LE as:[7]

Toyota haven't create any 2.0 hybrid yet....... for current moment.

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post Sep 3 2012, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Sep 3 2012, 04:26 PM)
that is why the prius big and small is also expensive. so how to sell camry hybrid? RM 170K? like price of 2.5V
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thats 1 of the flaw that Toyota miss out. If any other car maker create D-segment hybrid 2.0. guess will dominate most.

as most value to buy fall into Kia K5 and also VW Passat.

some other making their way in like pug 508 (gotta admit the spec really tempting)

Toyota, Honda and nissan now not just competing among themselve.

At the end we got more choice to select smile.gif

Toyota still a good choice. can deny it. but just consumer got more option to select. Unlike 15 years ago.

most of the street full of wira / saga
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post Sep 3 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(keanutan @ Sep 3 2012, 04:32 PM)
if u really look into the hybrid technology it offer the price is consider cheap la bro.. prius 145k and prius c 97k only compare prius with camry 2.0 what did camry offer with the price ? the actual price for the camry 2.0 is below 100k without tax ..
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thats the flaw, if the camry fall below let say 120k.

as yourself. which you will select? prius c? prius or camry?

I will close my eyes for camry. not just cause hybrid. D segment lowest price? hell yeah, with good FC !

This will spoil the entire car industrial of malaysia. not to mention toyota can't sell car above the hybrid camry 120k.

Above just example, please get it wrong.

If they could do it, they could do in other country as well. Thats the truth smile.gif

just my 2cents
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post Sep 3 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 3 2012, 04:54 PM)
Me guess MAA will not approve any selling price of Camry Hybrid below 200k. Most probably 250k toppish for top spec. If price below 200k, the 2.5 HV will be snapped up like hot cakes.
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yea, this is more likely. but again. who will place 200k+ for a Toyota?
unless like harrier, vellfire hmm.gif

yes, I saw few hybrid alphard liao.

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