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Investment PAN'GAEA - PARAGON | SOLSTICE | ECLIPSE [OT], The Cyberjaya city centre living by OSK

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post Oct 1 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Oct 1 2014, 12:07 PM)
In fact when I visited the Sales Galery during the recent Moon Cake Festival, the SA did mention about the Shopping Mall as the USP
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Last time they said is shopping mall, but now they said is "future retail".....what I heard now is they downscale it to some sort "street mall", instead of last time suggested 500k sq ft mall, and the green lung is gone....
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post Oct 2 2014, 07:39 PM

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Just received this email.....

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post Oct 3 2014, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(freetransgressor @ Oct 3 2014, 02:35 PM)
All Pangea (Paragon, Solstice, Eclipse) Buyers, there is a meeting tomorrow 1:30pm at Shaftsbury Square with other buyers to exchange opinions. At 3pm, there will be a meeting with the developer OSKP at the Showroom. You are encouraged to attend to raise your concerns and also get to see the preliminary design of the new master plan.
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Just received this a moment ago.....
"Dear Respective Home Owner

We wish to apologize and inform that the venue for ‘Meet the Buyer’ session on discussion for Pan’gaea is changed to below as to accommodate all.
Date : 4 October 2014, Saturday
Time : 3.00pm
Venue : Lotus 3, Level 2, Swiss Garden Hotel & Residences
117, Jalan Pudu, 55100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
(enclosed the map for your easy reference)

Sorry for the short notice and see you there.

Regards,
Aemy Lim
Manager, Sales & Marketing
OSK PROPERTY HOLDINGS BERHAD
9th Floor, Plaza OSK, Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
T: (603) 2161 3322 ext : 260
F: (603) 2161 8862 | (603) 2161 3327 (Sales & Marketing)
M: (6012) 611 7848
Corporate Website : www.oskproperty.com.my
Project Website : www.atria.com.my/ | www.pangaea.com.my/ | www.suteradamansara.com.my/ | www.mirageresidence.com.my/ | www.miragebythelake.com.my/ | www.bandarputerijaya.com.my/
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post Oct 5 2014, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(gundam14 @ Oct 5 2014, 03:10 PM)
Is this true?? I buy a unit of Solstice Duplex too. I so sad to hear this. My relative in Sibu told me that they are selling  Eclipse there now .

My relative know I buy Solstice ask me if Eclipse can invest or not. Snap me a pictures, still same like last time.

So is the change confirm?

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What you see now is the previous master plan......Now OSK revamp the whole master plan....What you see all iconic attraction all gone.....
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post Oct 5 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(gundam14 @ Oct 5 2014, 03:35 PM)
I feel so cheated.  mad.gif

I go tell my relative do not believe them, no more shopping mall.

They think go Sibu cheat people summore. F**k OSK.  mad.gif

How can they do that? vmad.gif
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Wah, OSK KL here now told us revamped master plan, and they still used one old to impress outstation prospects......

Bravo OSK.......I am so speechless on thus unethical marketing scheme.....
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post Oct 6 2014, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(wisdomtot @ Oct 6 2014, 11:39 AM)
phenomenal0210, it seems like you have not fully grasp the entire impact of the change. Even if osk thinks changing is for the better, going behind the buyers back to change them makes osk integrity questionable. If you recall from the session, the planning for kepler is almost complete and ready to launch. The kepler promotional banners are all over the place, before osk even seek to have a so-called dialogue with buyers. Why so late? Even this dialogue is limited to buyers who found out about the changes through the social media etc.Remember there are thousand other buyers out there who are still in the dark. If osk really cares for buyers, they should deliver what the buyers have agreed to pay their hard earned money for. If osk were to show me their latest master plan right from the start, I just wouldn't buy it. I just would NOT have bought it as it doesn't fit my purpose, simple as that. Imagine you place an order for a car with 2 airbags for front passangers as that is your basic safety requirements, and when the car is delivered, it doesn't come with airbags at all, replaced with 2 tissue box holders(kepler brand) . Useful as those tissue box holders may be, they just don't meet my basic needs for a car. How would you feel? Now what are you going to say to the car dealer in this instance? I would say, don't care how you do it, give me my 2 airbags, or give me back my $. This is only my personal opinion, as every purchasers have their own personal reasons for buying it.
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Chill Bro, When I see this is the 1st post of "phenomenal0210" with such comments after membership of lowyat created, then I already suspected this might be feedback from "OSK".....although I am respect for speech freedom of each individual.......

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post Oct 6 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Offshoreyoboy @ Oct 6 2014, 02:31 PM)
Absolutely... I was taking this integrated development as reference to midvalley,  sunway pyramid even though it might not be as big but these integrated development have 4 important element which is 4-5* hotel, office suites, service residence n mega mall. This is planned in pangaea previously as well. In term of key success of integrated with these 4 key elements it start from 1. successful and attractive mall (uncertain anymore now), 2. office suite (uncertain now too), 3. hotel ( uncertain as well) and the last comes to services residence (which osk trying to add more n this is the least important of a integrated developement). The successful don't comes from your residential units instead from the mall. I don't think midvalley would success just by supply needs to their office building n residences. Therefore osk talk is plain bullshitting. Indirectly they are telling you that for midvalley to success they would need to build a town first ( add more residence). Stupid right..
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Indeed, if that say like what OSK claimed, add on Kepler will increase human traffic flow, then why they propose to downscale the mall in the first place?

If indeed they are so confident that with Kepler will made the shopping mall to be more sustainable, then they should maintain 500k sq ft mall, rather than what they so-called street mall, and please bear in mind, their so called street mall is will in pipeline stage, and not necessary is finalized. Later on they might tell us the same thing, due to the "consumer behavior trend" is changing, then all consumer don't like go mall, and they scrap it out in the future? who knows?

What I think is, if that say OSK really want us to buy their new "masterplan" concept, at least they should illustrate to us the actual new master plan, with some nice model, or conceptual artist illustration, with more technical specification, but they are not. Instead of this, they are tell you, we are "changing masterplan", and now still under pipeline planning stage, and we are working with consultants to ensure the best? How you justify the best? The best for homebuyer, or the best for OSK to build more condos to grab more money and ciao.....
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I think we should stress to OSK, before they provide us with satisfactory explanation and resolution, they should impending any registration or launching for Kepler, to show their "sincerity" to the previous phase home buyer.....

They should not continue with registration / launching exercise, while fixing this issue. Its simply unethical.
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post Oct 7 2014, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(InvestThing @ Oct 7 2014, 01:58 PM)
May I ask why Paramount? (I bought from them earlier)
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Yeah, I am also interested to know why Paramount and IJM? Their Kemuning Utama, Sejati Residence and Bandar Rimbayu quite promising.......
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QUOTE(speed7791 @ Oct 7 2014, 12:25 PM)
Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong. At the time of Solstice launching surrounding condo residential projects in Cyberjaya was selling like RM450 to RM500 p/sf. OSK was selling Solstice at approx RM600 p/sf. Still, I didn't mind the premium as Pangaea's original masterplan differentiated itself from others.

Now that the masterplan has been changed I don't think they deserve the premium pricing.

While it currently affects OSK buyers, the same may also affect buyers of other projects if we don't do something about it now. Developers cannot have the absolute right in amending the masterplan halfway through the project as they think or see fit as it has a direct impact in influencing buyers decision and more so when it comes to property pricing. The whole thing becomes very misleading.
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Indeed, when the developer is launching any new project, by right they should calculate the risk for demand and supply for the residential & commercial needs for the next 5-10 years. I am agreed from time to time, the trend might be change due to macro-economical issue, however, minor changes in master plan is fine, but not like major change in Master Plan, like what OSK did in Pangaea.....

We as buyer, we assume the developer already calculate and able to absorb the reasonably risk while they launching their project. It is not ACCEPTABLE when developer see all other development have similar concept, and they simply add into the project elements, without proper researches and consultations, and after few years later, they simply changed the plan as they wish.....This is like when I buy a C segment cars, the car manufacturers promised a lot of sophisticated elements in the car, but after you get the car, you only get the basic features....This is TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE........if we did not do anything and allowed OSK to have the say as per their wishes, I am afraid in future, it will affects all the property industry, as the developer can simply do whatever they want, to maximize their profit, at the expense of home buyer.....

Therefore, OSKP indeed owed a satisfactory explanation to all the home buyer on this....
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QUOTE(peri peri @ Oct 7 2014, 02:54 PM)
i visited the pangea and mutiara ville last saturday. impressive works for pangea as i saw a group of buyers from China is being briefed for the project. The potential is there. Conceptual offers are crucial.
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But too bad, all conceptual are gone.....
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post Oct 7 2014, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Oct 7 2014, 04:41 PM)
very futuristic, i like. can on par with mah sing The Icon PJ
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But now we only can see from brochure, instead of the actual building.....
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post Oct 7 2014, 05:13 PM

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Wah, looks like now we have another similar issue with Tropicana Heights.....

What's wrong with the developer nowadays?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3339247/+80&#entry70742789
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post Oct 8 2014, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Soros007 @ Oct 8 2014, 11:10 AM)
Shopping mall can work or cannot work is not the main point here.
You cant charge buyers for a premium then quietly remove them.
Besides, what compensation should be given to the buyers for the premium that alr paid?
Since you are in this line - share with us your opinion in this OSK thread rather than keep promoting tamarind.
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Chill Bro,

He just promote his tamarind at his best efforts.....Lols.....
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post Oct 8 2014, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Oct 8 2014, 11:44 AM)
Wow so many Malls in Cyberjaya, I think very soon more than 50% will end up like Cap Square or Southgate

As for what OSK did, unfortunately the Sales Brochure do not form part of the SPA Annexure yet but with some hope and in due time, it will form a binding agreement as to what the Developer promises to build. When the time comes, Developer like OSK and even Tropicana will be in breach of the Agreement.
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Indeed...Although they might be legally right, but if it happened once, who will trust them again?

Lets see if their profit margin is more important than their reputation. Personally, I think we should fight to get the brochure and master plans to be bound by SPA, else, those greed developers will still continue to do whatever they want, as well as fight for build-then-sell (Although this might be hard in Malaysia).....
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QUOTE(propertyMontKiara @ Oct 8 2014, 04:52 PM)
SA tactic yow know
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What I think if their OSKP top management are convinced their sales staff or "indirectly allowed" their sales staff to inform the home buyers that eclipse is last phase, dont think all their SA will sell in that way.....
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QUOTE(wisdomtot @ Oct 8 2014, 11:13 PM)
Agree.The original master plan is printed on brochures, so not SA to blame. However, what annoys me is how the SA have been twisting their stories now, eg changing master plan is to add value, the mall was only an exhibition center, the street mall was the 'mall'. Total crap. Any osk SA reading this, stop twisting your stories. You think we buyers are 3 year old kids?
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OSK SA wont care about us one.....What they know is to accept top management order to twist the story, and try their best to have another "perfect twist story" on the following Emira launch, when the prospect ask them the same issue.....Thats all they care about their bonus and incentives.

Once they sold the units to us, then its time they hands off...thats all....
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QUOTE(den @ Oct 9 2014, 09:05 AM)
I also think OSKP is less likely to compensate. Now they rather put more focus on stronger marketing for Kepler and Emira.

Better act fast and harsher (make public aware, not just the owners) before they officially launch Kepler.

With the remaining small piece of land, no matter what they plan to develop on it, it's not going to be better than the original one.

This is not only affecting the owners, but also indirectly affecting other future Cyberians.  sweat.gif
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Indeed, in terms of legislation perspective, we cannot do much for their change in master plan, however, if we are able to bring this issue ahead of the public awareness, let every of their future prospects know how OSKP do their works, and how they "value" their existing customers, theres gone their reputation.......

Without reputable brand image, let see how they want to sell all their upcoming project in the future, since no matter how, all existing home buyers have been at the expense for their OSKP greed in mountain higher profit maximization.
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QUOTE(speed7791 @ Oct 9 2014, 10:07 AM)
I won't put it that way. It doesn't mean that just because they have a disclaimer in their brochure the buyers have no other recourse. It doesn't mean that the buyers cannot challenge them. The "burden of proof" will be on us if we decide to challenge them i.e. in what way, or how the buyers have been mislead
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Agreed, thats why we need to gather more and more home buyers to be aware of this, and circulate out this issue to gain public awareness.....With the awareness and focus of the both home buyers and public, then we only have bargaining power to put them into pressure to revert back to original plan.....
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post Nov 3 2014, 12:14 AM

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Is there any one still following up on this issue?

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