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post Jun 27 2011, 12:56 PM, updated 15y ago

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Quality too low, Savvy production stopped.

(Kuala Lumpur 26 Jun) Proton announced that the company will stop producing Savvy, which has been in the market for almost 7 years, claiming that the compact car is tarnishing the company's image due to the extremely poor quality.

Proton's Managing Director Dato' Seri Syed Zainal described Proton Waja 1.8L and Savvy 1.2L produced from the collaboration with Renault as a painful lesson.

Launched in Jun 2005, Savvy is to take over the Tiara as Proton's new compact car model.

Savvy's quality tarnishing company's image.

Syed Zainal admits that Proton's car have quality problems, the decision to retire Savvy is because SAvvy's quality is tarnishing Proton's image.

Syed Zainal told reporters when attending 2011 GLC Open Day that retiring Savvy does not mean the model is defective, Proton also will not recall all the Savvy that are sold.

Savvy is using the Renault made D4F engine while Waja 1.8L is using F4P engine but owners of the vehicle has been complaining about the problems that had, today a participants inquire Syed Zainal about the complains, hoping that Proton pay attention to the issue.

Customer complains are decreasing

Syed Zainal pointed out that Proton is not a flawless company but the complains they received for the past 5 years has been decreasing.

He stated that when some Malaysians criticize the quality of Proton cars, it is all based on their own personal impression and rumors, some of them never even drive a Proton before.

He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."


Earlier, Syed Zainal Abidin in his speech mentioned that Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars.

He stated that proton has been planning to move the company's market to foreign country. The target is to increase Proton's foreign market share to 72% by 2016. Currently foreign and local market are equal.

"UAE, India, China and Middle Eastern country is our targeted foreign market."

Syed Zainal stated that Proton is facing a shortage of qualified personnels instead of planning and funding when moving to foreign market.

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Please do not blame Proton ok, they are too busy making too many cars to perform QA on the parts and the end product.

Inb4 slowpoke.

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Imagine if Proton made harddisk. All the harddisk die in a month.
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post Jun 27 2011, 12:59 PM

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Blame the Ferrari.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:00 PM

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Dummest remark ever.

Well, I guess its rubbish in, rubbish out. Haven't he heard of this??
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:01 PM

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:03 PM

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Protong appointed teh suppliers bcuz it's the cronies punya companies.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:05 PM

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i blame the mentality for their failure
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:05 PM

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sendiri salah nk blame orang , why u choose the suppliuer?
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM

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malaysia just full of joke everyday...

who decide on which supplier to use? proton right

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM

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"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."


stupidest remark i ever heard. clearly it shows how low malaysian's standard is. don't even bother to check on your parts before assembling the car. good job proton. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

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I have no doubt that Proton can rival Toyota or Nissan or Hyundai one day. but first they must learn to compete the right way.
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so made in china better??
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:07 PM

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What if Proton made condoms
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:09 PM

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Stupid idiots!!! Blame the suppliers? if the quality is not up to mark, still buy from them? Are they seriously stupid? Proton run by stupid people? so if they are stupid enough to buy lousy parts from suppliers then they actually think that we are stupid also to buy their cars right?

So means every people who have owned a Proton with problems actually inherited lousy/ stupid/ mentality from the supplier-manufacturer-seller. If it is a known disease why nothing is being done curb it?

Its like cigarettes. Everyone knows its bad for you. Government raise tax. they should raise tax for Proton cars because they are bad for you.

In reality Proton are no different than a cigarette company. People buy because it offers cheap thrills. But if you suffer like constant coughs and addictions from cigarette, its the same with the constant need to fuel up and repairs.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:10 PM

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Please provide link to news.
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so the savvy campaign backfired? I recall proton (during the time of tengku mahaleel) proudly boasting savvy to be TUV certified....

too bad syed zainal inherited lots of problems. i bet he himself facepalmed when he said those words....
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QUOTE(netmatrix2 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:09 PM)
Stupid idiots!!! Blame the suppliers? if the quality is not up to mark, still buy from them? Are they seriously stupid? Proton run by stupid people? so if they are stupid enough to buy lousy parts from suppliers then they actually think that we are stupid also to buy their cars right?

So means every people who have owned a Proton with problems actually inherited lousy/ stupid/ mentality from the supplier-manufacturer-seller. If it is a known disease why nothing is being done curb it?

Its like cigarettes. Everyone knows its bad for you. Government raise tax. they should raise tax for Proton cars because they are bad for you.

In reality Proton are no different than a cigarette company. People buy because it offers cheap thrills. But if you suffer like constant coughs and addictions from cigarette, its the same with the constant need to fuel up and repairs.
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i think proton blame renault... thats all...other cars who is the supplier ?
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Jun 27 2011, 01:01 PM)
so proton has no control of their suppliers bcos the suppliers are sultan/agong/bijan/rosmah/minister/datoseri/tansri/dato/yb-etc-etc's? tongue.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:11 PM

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stupid remarks.
You have to freedom to choose your suppliers, or is it because of the political reason you can't?
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:12 PM

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He stated that when some Malaysians criticize the quality of Proton cars, it is all based on their own personal impression and rumors, some of them never even drive a Proton before.
True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:13 PM

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Menghina Protong ibarat menghina negara.
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:14 PM

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Don't tell me you can't have QC with your suppliers?

How did the tendering process go? bodoh!
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:15 PM

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cant we blame proton for hiring such cheapo and bad supplier?
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QUOTE(neorackle @ Jun 27 2011, 01:13 PM)
Menghina Protong ibarat menghina negara.
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anyway ... so will they ever make another small car ?
for all I care now day alot of perodua
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 27 2011, 01:12 PM)
True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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Personal Impression? How about personal experience? I was ripped off in 2001 when I bought the newly-produced WAJA 1.5 back then. Although I might admit that the engine is good (since it is still running without problem until now) but certainly the parts are made of cheap plastic! Every year I have to replace the window panels and door handles because it keeps breaking down even they are handle with care! Front bumper was like a milo tin literally when my bro banged the front side accidentally. Cost me rm600 to just knock that piece of $h!t back to place.

Personal Impression? GTFo pls.
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cant believe he is allowed to make such idiotic statement
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Jun 27 2011, 01:01 PM)
so proton has no control of their suppliers bcos the suppliers are sultan/agong/bijan/rosmah/minister/datoseri/tansri/dato/yb-etc-etc's? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hanieyf @ Jun 27 2011, 01:11 PM)
i think proton blame renault... thats all...other cars who is the supplier ?
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Why do they take the Renault factor into their problems? Some hardcore Proton owners do know which Proton is good and which is not. The old Saga was the workforce. The Wira 1.8 and Satria Gti was the tour de force. While the rest was problems here and there. You should ask yourself, does Proton sells more Savvy and Waja 1.8 combined to the sales of Gen 2? What about the even worst Juara that literally falls apart from the body mouldings? And thats from Mitsubishi!!!!! And the Juara doesn't even have any of the Townbox body mouldings!! On that alone the plastic parts is definitely local supplier. So if it was that bad, they still use them! Why? Stupid right?
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i gosok gigi pun need 3minit and need chek ow. u pasang car just use below 100s noo neeeed check lagi tu. then just put the blame on suppliers if some error appears hm memang boleh tahan orang proton ni.

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QUOTE(hanieyf @ Jun 27 2011, 01:07 PM)
we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

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like that give excuse also can
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How come Managing Director can make remarks like that?

If I say something like that to my client, sure kena pecat liao rclxub.gif
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suppliers should mogok!!
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jun 27 2011, 01:24 PM)
How come Managing Director can make remarks like that?

If I say something like that to my client, sure kena pecat liao rclxub.gif
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i also can be proton managing director if say like tat
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means every body can be director on proton. such pity shit explanation also can use...only ppl live at hospital sakit jiwa trust him.

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proton manufactured jokes now tongue.gif
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ok obviously they do not have iso 9000 or quality management.

proton pls go dai nao

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a very lame excuse coming from the top management, they dun have KPI ah?
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Actually I think he is making a remark on the cronyism of the company. He has no choice as there are people more powerful than him that has more influence on decision making. If he goes against them, its bye-bye to him. 2 sen only.
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I pity him actually since his hands are tied... can't really kick out crony suppliers.
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then blame toyota,merc,bmw as they produce higher quality cars
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i remember the savvy add - the lepasi piawaian german bla2 & body like steel from caterpillar truck hahaha

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True Proton quality very sad (from my experience yo) but what to do. Its the only cheap cars available. So, who don't have big budget to buy imported cars have to buy it and accept. cry.gif
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM)
I pity him actually since his hands are tied... can't really kick out crony suppliers.
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you'd think he might be taking a cut himself? brows.gif
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QUOTE(ohnowhyme @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM)
then blame toyota,merc,bmw as they produce higher quality cars
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QUOTE(halimsan @ Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
True Proton quality very sad (from my experience yo) but what to do. Its the only cheap cars available. So, who don't have big budget to buy imported cars have to buy it and accept.  cry.gif
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38 percents of taxes. that the answer why..

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QUOTE(hanieyf @ Jun 27 2011, 01:07 PM)
we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

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that's why there's such thing as RANDOM CHECK!!!
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QUOTE(firefoxian @ Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM)
stupidest remark i ever heard. clearly it shows how low malaysian's standard is. don't even bother to check on your parts before assembling the car. good job proton. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM)
malaysia just full of joke everyday...

who decide on which supplier to use? proton right

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QUOTE(netmatrix2 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:09 PM)
Stupid idiots!!! Blame the suppliers? if the quality is not up to mark, still buy from them? Are they seriously stupid? Proton run by stupid people? so if they are stupid enough to buy lousy parts from suppliers then they actually think that we are stupid also to buy their cars right?

So means every people who have owned a Proton with problems actually inherited lousy/ stupid/ mentality from the supplier-manufacturer-seller. If it is a known disease why nothing is being done curb it?

Its like cigarettes. Everyone knows its bad for you. Government raise tax. they should raise tax for Proton cars because they are bad for you.

In reality Proton are no different than a cigarette company. People buy because it offers cheap thrills. But if you suffer like constant coughs and addictions from cigarette, its the same with the constant need to fuel up and repairs.
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QUOTE(zx12 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:30 PM)
Actually I think he is making a remark on the cronyism of the company. He has no choice as there are people more powerful than him that has more influence on decision making. If he goes against them, its bye-bye to him. 2 sen only.
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Saw this idiot MD on the news last night. "complaints have decreased" he said. as if that is something to be proud of. zero complaints lah , then go on national tv.

If this was Japan, the guy should resign or hara kiri. No pride at all.
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irresponsible statement.

wht abt quality control?
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QUOTE(zx12 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:30 PM)
Actually I think he is making a remark on the cronyism of the company. He has no choice as there are people more powerful than him that has more influence on decision making. If he goes against them, its bye-bye to him. 2 sen only.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM)
I pity him actually since his hands are tied... can't really kick out crony suppliers.
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 27 2011, 01:12 PM)
True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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QUOTE(halimsan @ Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
True Proton quality very sad (from my experience yo) but what to do. Its the only cheap cars available. So, who don't have big budget to buy imported cars have to buy it and accept.  cry.gif
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Proton are the cheapest cars around because of the import tax. Its there for the purpose of protecting proton in the 1st place. And they know that the suppliers provide low quality products, that is why there is no use in trying to export proton. all over the world you can get better cars at cheaper prices. And all those big shots up there are reaping in the profits. Everytime i think about this i get really vmad.gif
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
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No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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Just say that Savvy lost badly to MyVi la.
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Proton QA don't inspect and control the incoming parts?
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 27 2011, 01:42 PM)
Just say that Savvy lost badly to MyVi la.
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Jun 27 2011, 01:44 PM)
Proton QA don't inspect and control the incoming parts?
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Probably does, but if reject too much crony will angry and then no more car off the production.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM)
No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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another QFT, and also agree on Tengku Mahaleel's attitude.

he was the guy that say "malaysian don't want MPV/van-type vehicle" and instead produced that horror on wheels called Juara.

Tengk Mahaleel keep on emphasising on speed and power and sports etc. He even hired his son Tengku Djan Ley to lead the R3 group.....

to syed zainal's credit he did not fire tengku djan when his father's contract was not extended....

Syed Zainal, even if he is a crony, is the good kind of crony. a least he tried to fix up things and took customer feedback seriously.

that's why persona was miles better than Gen2, and I believe persona was the car gen 2 should have been in the 1st place....

Saga is now the no. 1 selling car in malaysia again (ok, it's no. 1 because people were waiting for new Myvi but still...)
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sendiri salah nk blame orang , why u choose the suppliuer?
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malaysia just full of joke everyday...

who decide on which supplier to use? proton right

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True.

As for his awesome remark, judging by the way he said it, he has no control over the supplier. He was 'forced by certain parties' to use them or none at all.
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QUOTE(netmatrix2 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:18 PM)
Why do they take the Renault factor into their problems? Some hardcore Proton owners do know which Proton is good and which is not. The old Saga was the workforce. The Wira 1.8 and Satria Gti was the tour de force. While the rest was problems here and there. You should ask yourself, does Proton sells more Savvy and Waja 1.8 combined to the sales of Gen 2? What about the even worst Juara that literally falls apart from the body mouldings? And thats from Mitsubishi!!!!! And the Juara doesn't even have any of the Townbox body mouldings!! On that alone the plastic parts is definitely local supplier. So if it was that bad, they still use them! Why? Stupid right?
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i gosok gigi pun need 3minit and need chek ow. u pasang car just use below 100s noo neeeed check lagi tu. then just put the blame on suppliers if some error appears hm memang boleh tahan orang proton ni.
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QUOTE(zx12 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:30 PM)
Actually I think he is making a remark on the cronyism of the company. He has no choice as there are people more powerful than him that has more influence on decision making. If he goes against them, its bye-bye to him. 2 sen only.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:31 PM)
I pity him actually since his hands are tied... can't really kick out crony suppliers.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM)
No, I don't think so... He inherit the problems from Tg Mahalel and manage to turn the company around. The only thing is, he doesn't have full control over the umnoputra suppliers. Also, during Tg Mahalel's time, the management is a bit cocky... put any rubbish cars on the market, people will still buy and Proton will still make money. That's why you're seeing 3 types of cars which the market doesn't really want: Gen2 (a car that wants to be everything), Savvy (a small hatchback) and Satria Neo (another hatchback). What they should have released in the market are: Persona (good family sedan), Saga (cheap point a to point b sedan) and Exora (MPV market is huge).
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there2...i quote reasoning for both pro and con.
why la u guys no understand his hands are tied shakehead.gif
who is the advisor of proton,ever think of that? rolleyes.gif
he kenot help but to still use the crony vendors.

at least he shows improvement compare to tengku mahaleel

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btw i am more concerned on nadzmi salleh, the current chairman. he was the former Proton CEO in the '90s and i recall the proton quality started to drop during his time....
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Jun 27 2011, 01:47 PM)
another QFT, and also agree on Tengku Mahaleel's attitude.

he was the guy that say "malaysian don't want MPV/van-type vehicle" and instead produced that horror on wheels called Juara.

Tengk Mahaleel keep on emphasising on speed and power and sports etc. He even hired his son Tengku Djan Ley to lead the R3 group.....

to syed zainal's credit he did not fire tengku djan when his father's contract was not extended....

Syed Zainal, even if he is a crony, is the good kind of crony. a least he tried to fix up things and took customer feedback seriously.

that's why persona was miles better than Gen2, and I believe persona was the car gen 2 should have been in the 1st place....

Saga is now the no. 1 selling car in malaysia again (ok, it's no. 1 because people were waiting for new Myvi but still...)
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look how ludicrously profitable R3 is. drool.gif
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Stupid proton PR, Don't even know how to cover their ass. Why kenot blame proton? They're directly responsible in engaging their supplier.
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oh noes what will happen to my savvy now?
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oh noes what will happen to my savvy now?
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sell as junk

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sendiri salah nk blame orang , why u choose the suppliuer?
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"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

Statement of the year.
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 01:55 PM)
sell as junk

okay sad.gif

even now also the value not enough to cover the loan. if potong really discontinue it then jialat liao.
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Do they have the QC check on the supplier item?
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they only check which cronies supplier to order from...
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proton inspira ok ma????serious question here...

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Dummest remark ever.

Well, I guess its rubbish in, rubbish out. Haven't he heard of this??
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I believe he got no choice. Is all black and white with the suppliers. You cant change suppliers when there's black and white tied with you
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I believe he got no choice. Is all black and white with the suppliers. You cant change suppliers when there's black and white tied with you
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ooouu.. so proton is stupid enough to sign a contract that doesn't protest themselves ??

lol.. even small local company's contract with their supplier also got some t&c la if quality of supplied goods is bad
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Why don't Proton stop production all together? Not fair to let Savvy owners suffer by themsleves. I don;t ming losing value for my proton shit car than continuing to subsidize this shit company.

Enoughlah Proton. The company is so bad until their chairman has to say this. Whether it is a slip of tongue or said intentionally, please, enough is enough.
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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Jun 27 2011, 01:45 PM)
Probably does, but if reject too much crony will angry and then no more car off the production.
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well, if they have and don't blame proton, it can meant only two things
proton plant mishandled the parts, the parts not suitable proton plants environment
proton will continue with loose quality specs on parts coming in, cos we're to busy producing new cars. And to current Savvy owners, tough luck, not our problem.

for me, better not say, don't blame proton. Instead, just say we stop savvy cos it can't achieve our current quality standard direction.
I'm sure there's other suppliers for Savvy parts, only that, if proton engage with them, they will be selling the car at loss.
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 02:06 PM)
ooouu.. so proton is stupid enough to sign a contract that doesn't protest themselves ??

lol.. even small local company's contract with their supplier also got some t&c la if quality of supplied goods is bad
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Every Proton car sucks lah. Syed Zainal should not highlight Savvy only.
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You must remember, Matiti was an adviser in Proton and there're some agenda between the Matiti and also the AMMO in the proton. When Matiti and AMMO involve in the proton, they got no choice but to sign
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lol..what to do.. umno got lots of cronies to feed


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Do they have the QC check on the supplier item?
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have QC no use oso.hands tied to must accept crony supplies

QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 02:06 PM)
ooouu.. so proton is stupid enough to sign a contract that doesn't protest themselves ??

lol.. even small local company's contract with their supplier also got some t&c la if quality of supplied goods is bad
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cronies have power mah...serfs must obey
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 02:10 PM)
lol..what to do.. umno got lots of cronies to feed
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Yeah.. lol . Especially during that time, Matiti was a PM , Proton wont be dare to go against the PM . Don't you think so??
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Really doh.gif at some of the comments. Open your eyes n see what is going on in the country!
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Yeah.. lol . Especially during that time, Matiti was a PM , Proton wont be dare to go against the PM . Don't you think so??
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somemore the MD dare to say which such cheap price of car, they need to take cheap parts

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cheap car price ??

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Thanks to Proton, many people bankrupt because of them. FANTASTIC WORK PROTON! F U!
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 02:13 PM)
somemore the MD dare to say which such cheap price of car, they need to take cheap parts

notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

cheap car price ??
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Where got robbers claimed that are the robbers in real life? doh.gif
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QUOTE(don^don @ Jun 27 2011, 02:15 PM)
Toyota produce 9,497,754 units of cars in 2009, that's average of 26k per day. lulz...
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I believe there're no political agenda involved in Japanese automobile industry. While ,their QC also strict and make sure the car is up to the standard.

Conclusion, everything will failed when politic involved in it.
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dun buy proton enuf said
let us sufer paying high tax imported car
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QUOTE(Eguy1314 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:17 PM)
I believe there're no political agenda involved in Japanese automobile industry. While ,their QC also strict and make sure the car is up to the standard.

Conclusion, everything will failed when politic involved in it.
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yes, that's one part of it. but my statement is more towards "laughing my ass off" regarding proton's "we have no time to check every vehicle" lulz... laugh.gif

that's no way to do business...
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QUOTE(don^don @ Jun 27 2011, 02:20 PM)
yes, that's one part of it. but my statement is more towards "laughing my ass off" regarding proton's "we have no time to check every vehicle" lulz... laugh.gif

that's no way to do business...
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SIAPA TAK PAKAI PROTON ANDA SEORANG YANG RACIST!!
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Government fault . laugh.gif
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If u can't pay for you rBLM, u can be declared bankrupt!
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hey no offence, i drive a kancil now, and if u tell me to sell the kancil and get a new BLM and pay monthly, i'l die. laugh.gif and i earn more than a grand sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Fan Quat Chai @ Jun 27 2011, 02:13 PM)
Thanks to Proton, many people bankrupt because of them. FANTASTIC WORK PROTON! F U!
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While Proton may be the cause of a lot of bad stuff, if you're bankrupt that is your own damn fault.
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lucky potong did not make airplane.
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all cars in my house, most basic also MyVi SE, so far no prob even though it is locally assembled. Never buy proton, long term usage of all my family members' car proved that.

At very least, other brand window wont malfunction like cronies' supported brand after 6 years min. Let alone saying other parts.
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QUOTE(air @ Jun 27 2011, 02:33 PM)
all cars in my house, most basic also MyVi SE, so far no prob even though it is locally assembled. Never buy proton, long term usage of all my family members' car proved that.

At very least, other brand window wont malfunction like cronies' supported brand after 6 years min. Let alone saying other parts.
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the good thing bout my 2nd hand wira (which is the only reason i still keep it) is RM0.12/km RON95

lolx
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While Proton may be the cause of a lot of bad stuff, if you're bankrupt that is your own damn fault.
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Having Proton around has reduced the dispensable income of many Msians thus making many people bankrupt.
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stupid people with stupid statement.

if dont blame them blame who?

who is the one that buy from those supplier?

sohai one they all.

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Lol! LoOk! A no brainer that can come out with a retard statement, can be a MD of a car company!!! How come?!?!?

Lol!!!!

This thing only happen in malingsial!!
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fuh really glad didnt buy a proton as my 1st car... retard MD
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ Jun 27 2011, 02:39 PM)
stupid people with stupid statement.

if dont blame them blame who?

who is the one that buy from those supplier?

sohai one they all.
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all the source of problem, goes back to BN.. (In the background) They
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quote from the article

He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

so what, when the revenue comes, it also comes in fast, and to make that much car, there will be also more employees to checks and when the employees of the suppliers make that much part more people to check and control right, and the supplier can control material used, what machine used, what technique to ensure quality, what a poor excuse.
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proton doesnt kno abt six sigma? supply chain mgt? Bullocks!
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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Jun 27 2011, 02:44 PM)
proton doesnt kno abt six sigma? supply chain mgt? Bullocks!
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He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

I am sure toyota makes more car than proton, no such problem also.

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bodoh babi sial proton
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QUOTE(Break Prick @ Jun 27 2011, 02:51 PM)
bodoh babi sial proton
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I as a consumer don't care about your suppliers. I only care about end product. If product sucks, I blame the seller.

Simple.

Proton please don't think your consumers are stewpid, don't make your supplier problem our car problems.
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QUOTE(sensitiveshyguy @ Jun 27 2011, 02:45 PM)
He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

I am sure toyota makes more car than proton, no such problem also.
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^^^ where got Toyota dun have any problems..my mum's dugong bought 2 years ago, the radio breakdown & toyota services demand RM3000 for replacement..one day my sister use the car, ketuk2 a bit to the radio, then suddenly the radio can use liao, but intermittently la..

i use 9 years old cheap plastic Iswara only recently the radio rosak....Iswara FTW!!

in be4 butthurt cheap proton owner
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"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."


no time to check on parts? then reduce production la doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
quality >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantity
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All the proton buyer is idiots ha3, proton is real villain here..
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Jun 27 2011, 03:01 PM)
All the proton buyer is idiots ha3, proton is real villain here..
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Read between the lines. "Stupid! Dont buy any Proton! You can only BLAME YOURSELVES!" Period.
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this is how a MD speak, not bad
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proton is cheaper in Malaysia only maa but a lot2 cheaper outside Malaysia, so who stupid now??

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QUOTE(Sylf @ Jun 27 2011, 03:02 PM)
but but.. /k/tard keep saying inspira > all
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QUOTE(typicalsite @ Jun 27 2011, 02:52 PM)
marah betul ni  biggrin.gif
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very raging now.. how can they said proton such a cheap car that why need to use cheap part ?

as only PROTON sial babi ni xde QC, i can't believe this they actually try to blame consumer instead with such babi remarks

people should wake up and boycott PROTON. haihh, ni semua salah mamak kutty la, protect the PROTON interest first.

haihhh, well malaysia now is the biggest joke because of PROTON. haven't said that because of their car , a lot of people suffer from bankruptcy.

haihh.. pitynyaaa cry.gif

if i am Malaysia PM, i order KILANG PROTON TO BE BURN DOWN !!! thumbup.gif
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wtf?
from the start their quality like shit already now want to blame renault???
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howcome can claim smart ppl working there? car quality like sait!
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Jun 27 2011, 02:01 PM)
so proton has no control of their suppliers bcos the suppliers are sultan/agong/bijan/rosmah/minister/datoseri/tansri/dato/yb-etc-etc's? tongue.gif
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Bravo,

I thought every industry produce safety first product ?
But proton, the other way round ?
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QUOTE(Silat Gayung Patani @ Jun 27 2011, 03:15 PM)
even if not smarting, please giving the people chances to works ok?
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They cant find job elsewhere meh?

Why must they be burden to rakyat.
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That why Volkswagen scrapped joint ventures with Proton, because they all knew this cronyism thingy in Proton.
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proton shuld sack the person who's incharge in evaluating the supplier. Must have corruption occur there. Bodoh!
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QUOTE(Silat Gayung Patani @ Jun 27 2011, 03:15 PM)
even if not smarting, please giving the people chances to works ok?
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Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars.

Since when proton car are selling cheap to our malaysian compare to other country?

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kalau tengah jalan .. roda tercabut ... proton boleh blame tayar supplier lah ... bukan masalah proton .. tayar problem .... laugh.gif
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byebye debbie, see you in kamunting....
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so fast 6 stars di...
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QUOTE(Gabranth @ Jun 27 2011, 03:14 PM)
you forgot the "Cronies"  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(air @ Jun 27 2011, 02:33 PM)
all cars in my house, most basic also MyVi SE, so far no prob even though it is locally assembled. Never buy proton, long term usage of all my family members' car proved that.

At very least, other brand window wont malfunction like cronies' supported brand after 6 years min. Let alone saying other parts.
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true2...maybe if the deal with VW came thru, the supplier quality sure increase extremely.
why perodua best? bcoz the majority shareholders is Toyota,pls dun forget this peeps.

once again, proton shudnt be blame.their hands are tied to chose the low class crony vendors bcoz their majority shareholders is govt.

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if you go KFC and one of your chicken is spoilt,
don't blame KFC, blame the chicken..
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chicken supplier for KFC is KFC themselves, of coz shud blame KFC!
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we used 5 or 7 years to pay for the car...
he said we don't even have 68 seconds...


good job...proton
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Toyota Camry 2.4

Malaysia - RM 174,990.00
Thailand - 1,449,000 Baht = RM 143,336.54
Singapore - 148,988 SD = RM 366,831.00
Philipines - 1,681,000.00 Peso = RM 117,868.54
Indonesia - 498,400,000 Rp = RM 176,628.00
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"we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

Most epic I rike the stupidness.
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QUOTE(neoengsheng @ Jun 27 2011, 12:56 PM)
He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

Earlier, Syed Zainal Abidin in his speech mentioned that Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars.

He stated that proton has been planning to move the company's market to foreign country. The target is to increase Proton's foreign market share to 72% by 2016. Currently foreign and local market are equal.
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Jun 27 2011, 04:25 PM)
Toyota Camry 2.4

Malaysia    - RM 174,990.00
Thailand    - 1,449,000 Baht      = RM 143,336.54
Singapore  - 148,988 SD          = RM 366,831.00
Philipines  - 1,681,000.00 Peso  = RM 117,868.54
Indonesia  - 498,400,000 Rp      = RM 176,628.00
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We're cheaper than Singapore, so we're still better off? laugh.gif
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full of win for cronies, serve urself protontard. patriotic mah arse
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What if Proton made condoms
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jun 27 2011, 04:31 PM)
We're cheaper than Singapore, so we're still better off? laugh.gif
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We do not have time to check each and every part because I IZ TOO BUSY CHECKING MY ONLINE BANKING ACCOUNT FOR KICKBACKS FROM ZEE SUPPLIERS.
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If you cant graduate as a lawyer, doctor, engineer, accountant....dont blame the books/lecturer. blame yourself.

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what a joke, the car manufacturer should have quality control teams, and they dictate the specs, not the supplier.

i wonder how proton has survived till now.
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"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."


So make the god d*mn time doh.gif

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QUOTE(hz32290 @ Jun 27 2011, 05:28 PM)
malaysia population will exceed china population in a week.
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Indah water will be busy sucking babies out from their sewage network
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what a joke, the car manufacturer should have quality control teams, and they dictate the specs, not the supplier.

i wonder how proton has survived till now.
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The things he said only reflects on what Proton truly is and they have no shame at all.
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This thread should be in the Jokes section.
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QUOTE(marvinben @ Jun 27 2011, 07:34 PM)
This thread should be in the Jokes section.
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"Hey Supplier !! You better maketh goodin quality item for PROTON !!"
"Dun play-play ar !! We suffer low quality item bcoz of jiu fault !!"
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QUOTE(Sampah @ Jun 27 2011, 08:10 PM)
"Hey Supplier !! You better maketh goodin quality item for PROTON !!"
"Dun play-play ar !! We suffer low quality item bcoz of jiu fault !!"
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dun blame supplier, should blame proton, why they can accept bad quality parts?
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I agree that this is a facepalm moment for the MD, shoulda been more careful with his words....

Checking every part is not possible and crazy, no one expects proton to check every spring and nut and bolt...unless they are like Bugatti or Pagani or McLaren...where got time to check every part that is delivered,


My friend who works in Proton says each car is checked after assembly complete....he says statement not true...he is upset about it, he thinks his boss was misquoted

that's what I heard

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Wei...betul ke dia cakap macam tu??? takkan lah kot....setahu aku he is an intelligent man and masa kat perodua dulu strict giler dgn kualiti...


salah faham kot?

mana ada kompeni tak buat kualiti check mesti punya ada

maybe not every item checked on delivery kot..

supplier pun ada QC a few layers...sampai assembly plant selalu random check lah...

aku rasa bab kualiti ni mmg Proton dah banyak improve sejak syed zainal masuk tapi tak lah sume masalah lenyap...

jangan blasah teruk sangat cos aku rase dia dah do a lot of good work improving quality..ni mesti bab salah lapor atau tersilap cakap


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QUOTE(Polaris @ Jun 27 2011, 07:24 PM)
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Guys seriously I heard so many good story abt this guy at P2...rasa dia salah cakap...

doesn't mean I think proton problem free lah...but this soudns like a misquote or tersilap cakap..

as MD he should be more careful loh
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Protong appointed teh suppliers bcuz it's the cronies punya companies.
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so anyone has list of proton vendors?
maybe we can google to check whether the CEO of that vendor company is a crony or what... =P
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QUOTE(joespana @ Jun 28 2011, 11:49 PM)
Wei...betul ke dia cakap macam tu??? takkan lah kot....setahu aku he is an intelligent man and masa kat perodua dulu strict giler dgn kualiti...
salah faham kot?

mana ada kompeni tak buat kualiti check mesti punya ada

maybe not every item checked on delivery kot..

supplier pun ada QC a few layers...sampai assembly plant selalu random check lah...

aku rasa bab kualiti ni mmg Proton dah banyak improve sejak syed zainal masuk tapi tak lah sume masalah lenyap...

jangan blasah teruk sangat cos aku rase dia dah do a lot of good work improving quality..ni mesti bab salah lapor atau tersilap cakap
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kita semua faham...his hands are tied.have to accept bad parts from crony vendors sweat.gif
yeah, syed zainal is great.his works showed it. i hope he never be replaced
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Jun 29 2011, 12:21 AM)
kita semua faham...his hands are tied.have to accept bad parts from crony vendors sweat.gif
yeah, syed zainal is great.his works showed it. i hope he never be replaced
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If you can't work and tied both hand, quit. Ppl are respect you more in this way.

Given out such a stupid no brain statement will make yourself a laughing stock. And downgrade yourself even more.
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so anyone has list of proton vendors?
maybe we can google to check whether the CEO of that vendor company is a crony or what... =P
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most their vendors are multinationals like'
Denso
Bosch
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of course also got locals la...


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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2011, 12:29 AM)
If you can't work and tied both hand, quit. Ppl are respect you more in this way.

Given out such a stupid no brain statement will make yourself a laughing stock. And downgrade yourself even more.
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CEO?MD must always be careful when talking...cos misunderstanding happens even with the simplest and clearest message....
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Dear All

1) I think the MD statement refer to politics involved in the industry. I agree what he said. Tiara was a failure model. It's not proton wanted to produce this car but there is someone above who want it. This was told to me by one of their executive. Savvy used the renault engine which very expensive, who decide that? proton engineers or someone who above than proton?you know the answer.

2) What kind of quality we are talking about? which parts? the manufacture for the dashboard, plastic part for Myvi and Saga is from a similar factory, the Hicom Teck See Sdn bhd. My friend work there. Does this make perodua more quality from proton?Nope absolutely

3) The infamous defect on proton car is power window, what is the statistic of the failure? no one ever told me. The rumors spreading around the world, My family and I own Waja, Saga, Savvy, Saga BLM, Persona and Saga Iswara. Interestingly, there is no power window failure until now.

4) My father in law drive a Mercedes E Class (Kompressor model) and yet, a lot of problem although the car less than 5 years- brakes pump failure , piping failure,fuel pump failure. Expensive to replace or even to diagnose the problem. But nobody seems to say Marcedes sucks.

5) Owning a car is not about purchase the car, we've to included all the cost involve operating that car including fuel, toll and maintenance price. Toll in China much more expensive rather in Malaysia. We malaysian have more car for every family as compared to Singapore. Meaning of that?

6) Car have many parts and intended for mass production and proton who construct the metal body only, it's hard to check of all individual parts unless u buy a Ferrari, McLaren etc. If u study manufacturing engineering or statistic u'll understand how the difficulty it is.

7) Toyota called off some of their model (Lexus i think) in America because of the acceleration pedal failure. Why they called off?because some people died because of that failure! And no people in Malaysia think it is suck and shame. Have u heard proton part failure lead to death? nope until now and yet Malaysian people think proton suck because of the power window.


Stop the "people above proton MD" and I believe proton could improve well....
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eh didnt proton spent a fortune during the savvy design, production period by getting the german TUV guys in to monitor their quality control process??

really money down the drain la this proton.
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I remembered a story by a supplier. This supplier managed to successfully won a contract to supply air-cond parts for Potong.

Then the "haggling" began. Potong wants it to be cheaper. So the supplier said no problem, but had to cut cost a bit also la. Potong said fine. Then wants it to be cheaper still. And again and again. The supplier worried, told Potong if like this then susah to maintain the quality. Later if one side is colder than the other how? If leaking how? Potong said no problem, just do it. So the supplier did it, for the first and last time. Dowanna supply anymore to Potong.

FYI supplier generally supplies parts according to specs agreed with the buyer. How can blame supplier? doh.gif

ps. the supplier is my relative, not a story I read on the net biggrin.gif





QUOTE(hakimnen @ Nov 21 2011, 02:06 PM)
2) What kind of quality we are talking about? which parts? the manufacture for the dashboard, plastic part for Myvi and Saga is from a similar factory, the Hicom Teck See Sdn bhd. My friend work there. Does this make perodua more quality from proton?Nope absolutely
If you really have to ask, a lot of products of different ranges and prices are made at a same factory. Foxcon makes mobile phones for Apple, Sony phones, CSL and those china-mali brands. Does this mean that CSL phones are the same quality as iPhone? Are you stupid? doh.gif Even our local Mercedes factory also assembles another brand (which you can do yourself a favour and find out)!!! Go learn up some more on brand differentiation and costing before making stupid assumptions like that.

I repeat: THE FACTORY CAN BE THE SAME. BUT THE PRODUCTS CAN BE DIFFERENT DUE TO THE COSTS THAT THE CLIENT IS WILLING TO PAY.

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6) Car have many parts and intended for mass production and proton who construct the metal body only, it's hard to check of all individual parts unless u buy a Ferrari, McLaren etc. If u study manufacturing engineering or statistic u'll understand how the difficulty it is.
No it's not. If you study QA or Automotive or hell even QS for construction industry you will understand that every single due process is already there, just a matter of wanting to spend resources to apply it or not.

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7) Toyota called off some of their model (Lexus i think) in America because of the acceleration pedal failure. Why they called off?because some people died because of that failure! And no people in Malaysia think it is suck and shame. Have u heard proton part failure lead to death? nope until now and yet Malaysian people think proton suck because of the power window.
Stop the "people above proton MD" and I believe proton could improve well....
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Most asians don't care about the pedal problem because OUR TOYOTA CARS ARE MADE IN A DIFFERENT FACTORY WHICH DOES NOT PRODUCE NOR ASSEMBLE THE SAID PEDAL.

doh.gif


Please go and study more boy. You're not making any sense. whistling.gif

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i like this

""Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

From the statement i can see that you are f u c king ediot or people seround you is ediot. Think before you give statement"

Go for the quality not quantity.

Better you close the company let car from japan, korea , europe , germany sale their car here without gomen tax.

Gomen put high tax for foreign car because of proton. but proton produce low end quality car and kill every malaysian very min that also you dont have time to check because because you all rich f uc ker count money only .


THINK WISELY BEFORE CHOOSE YOUR GOMEN
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Nov 22 2011, 09:55 AM)
I remembered a story by a supplier. This supplier managed to successfully won a contract to supply air-cond parts for Potong.

Then the "haggling" began. Potong wants it to be cheaper. So the supplier said no problem, but had to cut cost a bit also la. Potong said fine. Then wants it to be cheaper still. And again and again. The supplier worried, told Potong if like this then susah to maintain the quality. Later if one side is colder than the other how? If leaking how? Potong said no problem, just do it. So the supplier did it, for the first and last time. Dowanna supply anymore to Potong.

FYI supplier generally supplies parts according to specs agreed with the buyer. How can blame supplier?  doh.gif


ps. the supplier is my relative, not a story I read on the net biggrin.gif
If you really have to ask, a lot of products of different ranges and prices are made at a same factory. Foxcon makes mobile phones for Apple, Sony phones, CSL and those china-mali brands. Does this mean that CSL phones are the same quality as iPhone? Are you stupid? doh.gif Even our local Mercedes factory also assembles another brand (which you can do yourself a favour and find out)!!! Go learn up some more on brand differentiation and costing before making stupid assumptions like that.

I repeat: THE FACTORY CAN BE THE SAME. BUT THE PRODUCTS CAN BE DIFFERENT DUE TO THE COSTS THAT THE CLIENT IS WILLING TO PAY.

doh.gif
No it's not. If you study QA or Automotive or hell even QS for construction industry you will understand that every single due process is already there, just a matter of wanting to spend resources to apply it or not.

doh.gif
Most asians don't care about the pedal problem because OUR TOYOTA CARS ARE MADE IN A DIFFERENT FACTORY WHICH DOES NOT PRODUCE NOR ASSEMBLE THE SAID PEDAL.

doh.gif
Please go and study more boy. You're not making any sense.  whistling.gif
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In my statement I never say to blame the supplier. Yes I do agree it is about cost, the main factor. Why proton want some of the aircond part cheaper?have u ever ask them? Bear in mind they have R&D section who study the material selection, the material strength and etc. So proton is consultant here and they know better rather than the supplier. What proton doesn't know is how the supplier can meet the spec including manufacturing process. U cant request a supplier that something they cant produce although on paper it can.


You are not comparing with an apple and apple, I guess u stupid too. Does the Iphone is have similiar market segment as the CSL? No right? In my statement I compare myvi and saga BLM, almost similar price. How do you know Iphone quality is good than CSL just because CSL is cheaper. Show me the failure statistic between these comparable model before making that stupid statement. GO LEARN UP STATISTIC EVALUATION BEFORE MAKE ANY CLAIM!!!!!

Yes, the methodolgy is there in every single due process. In engineering perspective, new material is develepod everyday to meet the need specific engineering criteria and as well the processing, why it is developed? to reduce cost as it can as well the engineering properties. I'm talking based on my experienced and knowledge. I might be wrong or right and it goes same as you. You don't even know the defination term of "stupid" and yet you used the word just because u dont agree with me.

And again u miss understood what I mean. The American people care about this and their goverment sued Toyota. Why Malaysian don't care? It is about Toyota reputation and perception matter. Toyota mistake kill people and proton mistake make people annoying. Which one better?

Man, you're the one nonsense and should go study including learn to respect people OPINION!!








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our automotive industry is retarded because of what?

why my car does not have 6 airbags?

why my car has no traction control?

why my car has only 4 gears?

the standard in this country is really bad.

also i would like to know from someone who actually knows the answer; what has Lotus contributed to the automotive standard of malaysia?
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QUOTE(bumfart @ Nov 22 2011, 01:06 PM)
our automotive industry is retarded because of what?

why my car does not have 6 airbags?

why my car has no traction control?

why my car has only 4 gears?

the standard in this country is really bad.

also i would like to know from someone who actually knows the answer; what has Lotus contributed to the automotive standard of malaysia?
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All the above item you asking is optional. You want more, u've pay more. It's matter of cost. Why before this, there's no rear seat belt enforcement? U should ask the government. Lotus or even Ferarri doesn't improved automaticve standard. If all Malaysian people is rich, we don't need to buy annoying Proton.
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yang terlibat dalam proton ni semmua berkepentingan.bukan yang betul betul buat kerja.Proton nak kena belajar cam Company Apple buat.Pengasas Syarikat dan tukan rekacipta berasal daripada orang yang sama.

tak tahu orang atasan Proton mesin photostat tau guna atau idak.
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orang atasan proton hanya tau duit duit duit duit

engineers yang aku kenal semua kena ikat tangan, tapi takpe proton tuah ni dorang cakap will not have crony vendors

harap2 lah betul
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Nov 22 2011, 01:47 PM)
All the above item you asking is optional. You want more, u've pay more. It's matter of cost. Why before this, there's no rear seat belt enforcement? U should ask the government. Lotus or even Ferarri doesn't improved automaticve standard. If all Malaysian people is rich, we don't need to buy annoying Proton.
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i think you got it the wrong way around

competition forces innovation and improvement
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QUOTE(bumfart @ Nov 22 2011, 02:40 PM)
i think you got it the wrong way around

competition forces innovation and improvement
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The mother of invention is the necessity. I do agree with u, It's a part of automobile revolution.
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betul lah ape jeremy clarkson say dalam top gear..... Proton hanya buat kereta untuk duit semata-mata...
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 27 2011, 01:06 PM)
malaysia just full of joke everyday...

who decide on which supplier to use? proton right

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Nov 22 2011, 02:14 PM)
orang atasan proton hanya tau duit duit duit duit

engineers yang aku kenal semua kena ikat tangan, tapi takpe proton tuah ni dorang cakap will not have crony vendors

harap2 lah betul
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engineer tu sepatutnya jadi CEO company.dia tahu apa yang dia cipta.jadi bos ni nama je bos.pasal dia bos la apa pun tak tahu,
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blame the government?
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stupid comments from a CEO. Dont u have control over the suppliers that supply parts to your company?
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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Nov 22 2011, 12:57 PM)
Does the Iphone is have similiar market segment as the CSL? No right? In my statement I compare myvi and saga BLM, almost similar price. How do you know Iphone quality is good than CSL just because CSL is cheaper. Show me the failure statistic between these comparable model before making that stupid statement. GO LEARN UP STATISTIC EVALUATION BEFORE MAKE ANY CLAIM!!!!!
don't talk kok la kiddo. I mentioned foxcon also making sony phones which are in the same segment as iphones. wanna talk kok about that? you start first! doh.gif


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Man, you're the one nonsense and should go study including learn to respect people OPINION!!
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Please don't go look in the mirror and call your baseless arguments and asking for "statistic evaluation" in a frickin forum as a real opinion. opinions are interpretation of facts, which you have none. that stupid tactic to validate this "opinion" of yours might work for kids of your level, but not me. sorry! smile.gif


If you call the many many pictures online of the devastating nature of accidents involving Potong cars as "annoying", that really shows your level of "opinion" there whistling.gif


Oh and why they wanna make it cheaper? Really? Of everything that I posted, that is your reply? doh.gif jangan jadi bodoh la beb. There is a basic spec standard for many many things in manufacturing, and they wanna go lower than the recommended spec, and all you have to say is did I ask why? If you really mean that, then you are a joke. shocking.gif

why don't you tell us if you think the CEO's comment were of genius in nature, or just plain stupid (follow your definition of stupid smile.gif)

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Strange thing is that if u bash Proton in paultan you'll get a lot of "thumb downs"

I tot most Msians hate Proton - I mean, what's not to hate?
1. Higher price here than it's sold in other countries - Check
2. Driving other car prices up due to imposed tax to protect them - Check
3. Pretending that they're competing with other carmaker when fact is they are getting the benefit regardless of whether ppl buy their cars or other cars - Check

:S
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Nov 22 2011, 08:56 PM)
engineer tu sepatutnya jadi CEO company.dia tahu apa yang dia cipta.jadi bos ni nama je bos.pasal dia bos la apa pun tak tahu,
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syed zainal the current ceo of proton is a qualified engineer when he was at perodua.

but i believe you were referring to the chairman nadzmi salleh, right?
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blame the guy who chose the supplier
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f*** u la proton ur price is cheap


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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Nov 23 2011, 12:05 AM)
don't talk kok la kiddo. I mentioned foxcon also making sony phones which are in the same segment as iphones. wanna talk kok about that? you start first! doh.gif
Please don't go look in the mirror and call your baseless arguments and asking for "statistic evaluation" in a frickin forum as a real opinion. opinions are interpretation of facts, which you have none. that stupid tactic to validate this "opinion" of yours might work for kids of your level, but not me. sorry! smile.gif
If you call the many many pictures online of the devastating nature of accidents involving Potong cars as "annoying", that really shows your level of "opinion" there  whistling.gif
Oh and why they wanna make it cheaper? Really? Of everything that I posted, that is your reply? doh.gif jangan jadi bodoh la beb. There is a basic spec standard for many many things in manufacturing, and they wanna go lower than the recommended spec, and all you have to say is did I ask why? If you really mean that, then you are a joke. shocking.gif

why don't you tell us if you think the CEO's comment were of genius in nature, or just plain stupid (follow your definition of stupid smile.gif)
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Man, u quoted CSL better than Iphone. Don't be ridiculous. Samsung also produce chip for Sony. I also know.

Opinion in not fact la kok..you start first la kok..u can event differentiate between opinion and fact. Everybody can have opinion but doesn't mean they are right. Forum is discussing area, not a scientific journal in which contain fact. You cant accept then go ahead. I live with my world then u go with your world! U don;t need to use that stupid word. U think u know everthing? ohh man u r get it wrong.

Yet picture doesn't tell me anything. There is no basis for just of picture. Many Interpretation can be made by a single picture. The statistic will show evidence and picture is merely supporting evidence, I'm may stupid but I learn. So dont be stupid but don't want learn.

I'm joke? no man. U listened one party then ohhh proton want reduce quality. Cheap is relative term. On what basis u said as a cheap? Manufacture want to reduce cost as possible, including proton and supplier too. Recommended spec? who decide that level, the supplier or proton? I've no comment there because i don't know what actually happen inside them. in my opinion, lower recommended spec lead to less reliability, possibly higher failure rate.

The CEO comment is not wise move. that's it. It may hurt some of the people. I'll never call anybody stupid just because a stupid statement unlike you.
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I dunno why they put the blame on "SAVVY" when it's the same with every Proton car.
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At first baca i wanna puji coz they admit their mistake. After that push the blame to others pulak. Memang malaysian betul.
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QUOTE(ahter @ Nov 22 2011, 10:56 PM)
stupid comments from a CEO. Dont u have control over the suppliers that supply parts to your company?
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first kasi fire the purchaser, then fire the hr manager, then fire the ceo.
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QUOTE(tkh_1001 @ Nov 23 2011, 02:10 AM)
f*** u la proton ur price is cheap
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cost of ownership very high due to low quality and pricey parts
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protong trollin >9000

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