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Styrroyds
post Jun 25 2011, 07:31 PM

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interesting read.

thanks TS
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post Jun 25 2011, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(rd33 @ Jun 25 2011, 07:29 PM)
1 - 2. Maybe. Lol
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You sure?

How come so many flew back during the last Egypt riot event? hmm.gif
izzizahari
post Jun 25 2011, 07:39 PM

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i think the problem is parent are pushing their child to go for medic as its a sure shot career.

problem is when the child expect doctor life is awesome shiat like house or er, when the reality is, well......

be it from what uni, everyone will not know how to take abg, insert branula, proper cpr, pleural tap... all need practice and experience

if the HO is delusional with house, the he is doomed..
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post Jun 25 2011, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Jun 25 2011, 07:39 PM)
i think the problem is parent are pushing their child to go for medic as its a sure shot career.

problem is when the child expect doctor life is awesome shiat like house or er, when the reality is, well......

be it from what uni, everyone will not know how to take abg, insert branula, proper cpr, pleural tap... all need practice and experience

if the HO is delusional with house, the he is doomed..
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goes with anything actually

a lot of dumbfarks i know wanna study forensic science because they thought life is slick like in CSI

Zoom, zoom, zoom a little more... that's your murderer!
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post Jun 25 2011, 07:51 PM

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i wanna study computer coz i think u code code then voila..
can hack nasa and bom singapore
TSCyberSetan
post Jun 25 2011, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Jun 25 2011, 06:42 PM)
you forgot to quote this ts:

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You should listen to what the former Director General of health has to say first about India:


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"...emphasis on clinical training..." - Tan Sri Dr.Ismail Merican

this is some of the things learned in the 2nd year.~

That is why its better to send the students to India compared to Russia/Ukraine~
if they have more $$$ - UK/AUS/US~

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 25 2011, 08:05 PM
izzizahari
post Jun 25 2011, 08:04 PM

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nice to see how u performance compared to russian grad when u work since u downgrade them....

we brother should not downgrade each other. apatah lagi masih blom grad pun ptuih.
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QUOTE(Styrroyds @ Jun 25 2011, 07:41 PM)
goes with anything actually

a lot of dumbfarks i know wanna study forensic science because they thought life is slick like in CSI

Zoom, zoom, zoom a little more... that's your murderer!
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Business courses are one of the most popular subjects now.

How come only a very few emerge successful when they graduate?

For everything there're sure to be winners and losers.


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post Jun 25 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Jun 25 2011, 08:04 PM)
nice to see how u performance compared to russian grad when u work since u downgrade them....

we brother should not downgrade each other. apatah lagi masih blom grad pun ptuih.
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It is not me who is downgrading Russian graduates - read the first page carefully and assess the development over the years. Read everything there.
See how our Malaysian health care system evaluate them. See how our Malaysian doctors see and evaluate them.

It was a big mistake for the govt to send hundreds of JPA/MARA scholars to Russia/Ukraine to do medicine in the first place...
The Govt have failed to assess the quality of education there - as a result they are blaming the students for being incompetent instead of blaming itself for foolishly sending them there.

Now they've realized this mistake and have started sending future medical students elsewhere instead. They are sending some of the students to India and even set-up a USM branch in India to cater for Malaysian medical students...

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post Jun 25 2011, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Jun 25 2011, 08:04 PM)
nice to see how u performance compared to russian grad when u work since u downgrade them....

we brother should not downgrade each other. apatah lagi masih blom grad pun ptuih.
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You should see reports from MMC before backing them up. We have tons of incompetents right now. Those HOs couldnt even differentiate a sleeping patient and a cyanosis one.
I dont blame the students, the one needed blaming is the mushrooming of agents sending them to russian/indonesia university.. Most who are in russia ARE NOT EVEN EXPOSED TO CLINICAL TRAINING throughout the 5 years.


About attitude, your right about it, the thing is, most of them ive seen do not have these "want to learn" attitude. I dont mind their lack of knowledge, but most of them attitude so bad, see many of them.
http://pagalavan.com/2011/06/19/future-of-...lthcare-part-1/

This is whats currently happening now, and most of them are with these attitudes

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# case 1

patient in hypovolemia with hypotension..

MO: pls do fluid resuscitation..

HO doesn’t know what fluid resuscitation is, and malu (shy shy la) to ask the MO.. but he remembers resuscitation is something to do with CPR (cadiopulmonary resuscitation).. so he performs chest compression in a CONSCIOUS patient, causing respiratory distress to the patient, and the patient is looking at him in one kind.. and the smokes come out from the MO’s head..

deserved for HO paling tukul award.. (this HO graduated from Russia, recipient of scholarship from a famous local body)..

# case 2

vital signs stable on a dead body..

the HO did his evening round in the acute bay.. one of the patients was intubated due to head injury.. the family members told him the body became stiff 2 hours ago.. but the monitor still showing pulse rate (patient on ionotropes).. so he documented “patient GCS remains poor, vital signs stable, continue the same management”.. huh..????? how to become a doctor even he/she can’t even differentiate between LIFE and DEATH..????? why do they want to spend the parents and tax payers money to study medicine but the medical knowledge is lousier than a layman..?????

deserved for HO otak ketam award.. (again, this is another HO graduated from Russia)..

# case 3

for MO to resus patient..

i was attending a patient in the female surgical ward..

suddenly another patient in the same ward collapsed and desaturated.. the nurses were shouting and called the surgical house officer who was sitting at the counter doing nothing at that time to attend the patient.. he walked slowly to the bed of that patient but did not examine the patient, he just pointed his finger toward me “neh, doktor dekat sana”.. huh????? what type of houseman is this..????? asking a MO to attend a collapsed patient without examining and doing the initial resuscitation works..?????

deserved for HO ubi kentang award.. (this HO graduated from a local public university, one of the three oldest medical schools in this country)..

# case 4

for MO to insert branula..

during my housemanship time in 2006, when we have problem in inserting a branula, we NEVER called our MO for help (except for neonates).. we would call our senior houseman (most of the time, the captain) to help us to insert the branula.. during my second housemanship posting, i started to insert the femoral line and i did my toes amputation for diabetic patients ALONE while my MO was sleeping the whole night.. i did my first peritoneal dialysis together with my houseman friends without the presence of our MO when i was in the medical posting.. but now, what types of procedures that a houseman can perform..???

recently, during my busy oncall day, suddenly the nurse called me up “doktor, tolong insert branula, houseman dah cuba 2 kali tapi tak dapat”.. huh??? why can’t the houseman call me directly if he/she cannot get the line?? just left the patient and ordered the nurse to call me..?? what tpye of attitude is this..?? no responsibility at all.. when i went to see the patient, i found the vein of the patient was BIGGER than the vein on the manikin..!!!!! how could the HO fail to insert a line into such a huge vein..?????

deserved for HO kurang asam garam award.. (this HO also graduated from a local public university)..

# case 5

in the past, we houseman worked like lembu and donkey.. there was no time for us to sit and rest.. the MO just sat over the counter and monitored what we were doing.. we used to offer ourselves to assist the MO in doing any bedside procedures..

nowadays, the house officers are sitting over the counter and “observing” the MO doing their job.. no greetings, no offer, no initiative to learn..

deserved for HO kurang upaya fizikal award..

# case 6

houseman manja..

a female houseman is a little bit slow in doing her job and her medical knowledge is very poor.. but she likes to come to work late, and goes back home early.. every morning during the ward round, one of the surgeons likes to ask her a lot of questions to test her medical knowlege.. and most of the time she can’t answer.. one day, suddenly the surgeon receives a phone call when he is doing surgery “i’m the mother of @#$%, please stop asking my daughter any questions, or i will make a complain to the state health director..” huh?? like this also can arr..???

deserved for HO lampin pasti tak bocor award.. (this HO graduated from a local private medical school)..
You should read more about our current situations and about these overflooding of HO's from indonesia/russia and how it is affecting our healthcare system.

This post has been edited by FrostLance: Jun 25 2011, 09:42 PM
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post Jun 26 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Jun 25 2011, 09:40 PM)
You should see reports from MMC before backing them up. We have tons of incompetents right now. Those HOs couldnt even differentiate a sleeping patient and a cyanosis one.
I dont blame the students, the one needed blaming is the mushrooming of agents sending them to russian/indonesia university.. Most who are in russia ARE NOT EVEN EXPOSED TO CLINICAL TRAINING throughout the 5 years.

About attitude, your right about it, the thing is, most of them ive seen do not have these "want to learn" attitude. I dont mind their lack of knowledge, but most of them attitude so bad, see many of them.
http://pagalavan.com/2011/06/19/future-of-...lthcare-part-1/

This is whats currently happening now, and most of them are with these attitudes
You should read more about our current situations and about these overflooding of HO's from indonesia/russia and how it is affecting our healthcare system.
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He apparently is not up to date or didn't even bother to know matters such as this. I've been observing this since 2004, way back when I did my BSc.
During that time, sending students to Ukraine and Russia for medicine was quite popular, little do the parents and Govt know what the consequences will be.

That (the highlighted part) is among the problems faced by the students there,,,, this has been mentioned before in the past, not only be the students themselves but also by some Malaysian medical doctors blog~

Back then, when Ukraine's CSMU medical program was de-recognized by MMC, there was an uproar with many blaming the Govt of limiting the chances of the Malaysian Indians from becoming doctors in Malaysia. This is because there was a large number of self-funded Indian medical students studying there.

There were issues raised about the CSMU - for example, they were accepting non-science students and academically poor students into their medical program....

when I started my training in Likas hospital lab in Sabah in 2007, many of the Russian / Ukrainian medical students are seen doing their elective there as well. This makes me wonder why would they want to do elective postings in Malaysia instead of Russia/Ukraine, when the DG of health (Tan Sri Dr.Ismail Merican) is opposed to such idea....

Perhaps the Russian/Ukrainian patients doesn't want foreigners touching them? - who knows... if so... how will one learn medicine properly?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jun 26 2011, 02:32 PM
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post Jun 26 2011, 02:23 PM

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post Jun 26 2011, 02:49 PM

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u may call me not updated, but i worked with them, be it from aus or ukraine.

i have JPA sponsored sister in russia.

im from local uni.

all the same.

what differentiate is attitude.

all local uni, jpa scholar, the standard is quite the same as, as they are pre-selected. (most kaki bangku, nerd, law abiding citizen, full attendance during schooling etc2...)

but all others using pama, result may vary.

when u worked, u will see many/majority is from indo or russia/ukraine, as its the cheapest. no wonder if problematic they produce so many, even not surprising as some just go as they got the money.

i stood frozen during my 1st cpr though i done it during my studies many time on manikin(got cert from kkm) and some patient(after pt is dead)

an aussie grad stood frozen with me during that same cpr.

its a ukraine grad who intubate and coordinate the show... albeit he is 2nd poster and me and the aussie is just in our 2week.

just my advise to u, good or bad the person is his choice, little to do with uni. (then all dr in russia and ukraine is crap)

housemenship is a time to learn, consolidate ur knowledge.

everybody will make a mistake, everybody will not know everything, everybody need to learn to improve.


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Go Russia cari ayam oni. What for?

Here oso got Russian ayam liao!
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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Jun 25 2011, 07:39 PM)
i think the problem is parent are pushing their child to go for medic as its a sure shot career.

problem is when the child expect doctor life is awesome shiat like house or er, when the reality is, well......

be it from what uni, everyone will not know how to take abg, insert branula, proper cpr (tambah sket, dekat real patient), pleural tap... all need practice and experience

if the HO is delusional with house, the he is doomed..
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wah, zaman aku medical student, aku buat sumer ni kot. setahu aku sumer ni basic je lol, and sumer medical student patut tahu buat

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