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post Jun 25 2011, 03:51 PM, updated 15y ago

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Just some interesting read to spice-up the day~ smile.gif

QUOTE(mines786 @ Dec 15 2010, 04:48 PM)
Why need to stop these universities? They are cheap because sponsored by their government and their studies are one of the best and very strict.
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You obviously have not been following the developments/news/situations regarding medical education in Malaysia.
Do read the following, some of them I have put in a chronological order:


In the beginning.....

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Sunday May 16, 2004

Russian medical options

BY KAREN CHAPMAN

WHEN it comes to studying medicine, Russia is probably not the first destination that comes to mind. Most students would cite the United Kingdom or even Australia as their top choice.

But before you dismiss Russia on grounds that you simply couldn't possibly master the Russian language or withstand those absolutely freezing temperatures, think again! Studying medicine in Russia might just turn out to be the best option for you if your financial resources are limited.

More and more Malaysians today are looking at Russia for a medical degree. Abdullah Mohd Salleh will tell you that studying medicine in Russia is not without its advantages His daughter, a fourth year medical student in Moscow Medical Academy, is not only under the tutelage of some of the finest doctors in the world but has also picked up the Russian language and is actively involved in student life....

Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5&sec=education (From May 2004)



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Then...

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Sunday November 9, 2008

From Russia with love


Story and photos by JACKSON CHUNG

A student gives his take on the “highs” and “lows” of studying and living in Russia.

IN the last couple of years, Russia has become a hotbed for young Malaysians who wish to pursue a career in medicine. Why? Plain and simple — its tuition fees are particularly low.

Four years ago, I was among 180 Malaysian students who entered the Russian State Medical University (RSMU) in Moscow, referred to as the Second Medical University by the locals. Although I was a freshman in a foreign university surrounded by people who spoke a language I’d only heard in movies, I was still excited to be here.

Since then, I have seen the true Russia which can be exciting to some, and not as interesting to others.

In my few years in Moscow, I’ve taken notice of Russians and their general way of life. If you were to ask me what I dislike most, I’d say it is their attitude.

Most Muscovites are terse, cold and glum, and they hardly smile. I suppose friendliness is not instilled in their culture, and that did not make me feel welcome.

Russia is a country with a lot of red tape. Most of the jobs in Moscow are still labour-intensive, which make the procedures even lengthier.

The attitude towards work here doesn’t help, either: working hours are short and employees seem to take tea breaks whenever they want!

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Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...4&sec=education (From Nov 2008)



Then comes....

Product of the System (POTS) Blog : Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure


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resuscitated a corpse today. Needless to say, I failed.

I pumped air and fluids and drugs into a man who was already dead.

Ahmad (not his real name) was stiff as a log by the time I was referred to him, more of a cadaver than a human being in distress.

It was not difficult to see why.

The first house officer was breaking his ribs instead of pumping his heart.

His counterpart had no experience in setting an intravenous cannula ever before.

The third of the trio simply stood by – an idle spectator in the midst of chaos. He should have brought some popcorn with him instead of a stethoscope.

The three had one thing in common – they graduated from medical schools in Ukraine and Russia.

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For full text - click the links below




PART- 1 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 2 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_24.html
PART- 3 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_27.html
PART- 4: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 5: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html

...and from the Malaysian Medical Resources:


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Concern over Russia and Ukraine Med Schools

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and very recently:


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Sunday December 12, 2010

Cleaning house

By RICHARD LIM and LOH FOON FONG
educate@thestar.com.my

Concerns persist regarding the quality of medical graduates and the Government is preparing a number of initiatives to finetune the system.

HOW hard is it to tell the difference between a sleeping patient and a cyanosed one who is on course to meet his maker?

Observing the simple rise and fall of one’s chest would be a good start. Checking for a pulse would be another and observing that the patient has turned blue is an absolute must.

However, the obvious did not happen in the case of one Pak Abu, who was deemed to be sleeping by house officers.

Fortunately, an observant doctor on his last rounds came into the picture and Pak Abu was resuscitated.

The three house officers in charge, who graduated from Russian and Ukrainian universities, were reprimanded for negligence, and things went from bad to worse when it was discovered that they did not know the basics of resuscitation or what an oxygen face mask was.

Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...4&sec=education






You see the development over the years...?

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QUOTE(johnkia @ Jun 25 2011, 03:56 PM)
my fren just went to russia for medical course sponsored by gov
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Gomen contradicting itself? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(puppeto4 @ Jun 25 2011, 04:08 PM)
So they started sending the students to Russia in mid 2000s and only after the first batch graduated that they realized the damages?
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Apparently so... poor judgment on Gomen's part... very cheap~! send first, think later~
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Jun 25 2011, 04:12 PM)
Some sked the students will return as KG agent
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Govt don't want poor performing students to kill Malaysians later when come back as "Dr"
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Jun 25 2011, 06:42 PM)
you forgot to quote this ts:

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You should listen to what the former Director General of health has to say first about India:


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"...emphasis on clinical training..." - Tan Sri Dr.Ismail Merican

this is some of the things learned in the 2nd year.~

That is why its better to send the students to India compared to Russia/Ukraine~
if they have more $$$ - UK/AUS/US~

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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Jun 25 2011, 08:04 PM)
nice to see how u performance compared to russian grad when u work since u downgrade them....

we brother should not downgrade each other. apatah lagi masih blom grad pun ptuih.
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It is not me who is downgrading Russian graduates - read the first page carefully and assess the development over the years. Read everything there.
See how our Malaysian health care system evaluate them. See how our Malaysian doctors see and evaluate them.

It was a big mistake for the govt to send hundreds of JPA/MARA scholars to Russia/Ukraine to do medicine in the first place...
The Govt have failed to assess the quality of education there - as a result they are blaming the students for being incompetent instead of blaming itself for foolishly sending them there.

Now they've realized this mistake and have started sending future medical students elsewhere instead. They are sending some of the students to India and even set-up a USM branch in India to cater for Malaysian medical students...

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Jun 25 2011, 09:40 PM)
You should see reports from MMC before backing them up. We have tons of incompetents right now. Those HOs couldnt even differentiate a sleeping patient and a cyanosis one.
I dont blame the students, the one needed blaming is the mushrooming of agents sending them to russian/indonesia university.. Most who are in russia ARE NOT EVEN EXPOSED TO CLINICAL TRAINING throughout the 5 years.

About attitude, your right about it, the thing is, most of them ive seen do not have these "want to learn" attitude. I dont mind their lack of knowledge, but most of them attitude so bad, see many of them.
http://pagalavan.com/2011/06/19/future-of-...lthcare-part-1/

This is whats currently happening now, and most of them are with these attitudes
You should read more about our current situations and about these overflooding of HO's from indonesia/russia and how it is affecting our healthcare system.
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He apparently is not up to date or didn't even bother to know matters such as this. I've been observing this since 2004, way back when I did my BSc.
During that time, sending students to Ukraine and Russia for medicine was quite popular, little do the parents and Govt know what the consequences will be.

That (the highlighted part) is among the problems faced by the students there,,,, this has been mentioned before in the past, not only be the students themselves but also by some Malaysian medical doctors blog~

Back then, when Ukraine's CSMU medical program was de-recognized by MMC, there was an uproar with many blaming the Govt of limiting the chances of the Malaysian Indians from becoming doctors in Malaysia. This is because there was a large number of self-funded Indian medical students studying there.

There were issues raised about the CSMU - for example, they were accepting non-science students and academically poor students into their medical program....

when I started my training in Likas hospital lab in Sabah in 2007, many of the Russian / Ukrainian medical students are seen doing their elective there as well. This makes me wonder why would they want to do elective postings in Malaysia instead of Russia/Ukraine, when the DG of health (Tan Sri Dr.Ismail Merican) is opposed to such idea....

Perhaps the Russian/Ukrainian patients doesn't want foreigners touching them? - who knows... if so... how will one learn medicine properly?

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