QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 22 2012, 09:14 AM)
You don't need very long to know. After a month or so, the FC will pretty much remain around there, plus minus 10%.2011 Kia Optima, when will launch in Malaysia?
2011 Kia Optima, when will launch in Malaysia?
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Feb 22 2012, 03:28 PM
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Feb 22 2012, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 22 2012, 03:36 PM) Plus minus 10% is about 7L of fuel. Quite alot actually. The FC will usually balance up after the 3,000km mark. Some cars may be earlier. I'm interested in a ballpark figure, as even my own Forte 2.0 can vary between 8.5 - 11.5 litres / 100km. That's about a 35% difference depending on traffic conditions and how heavy my foot is. As such, 10% is not really much. |
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Feb 23 2012, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(chumpchump81 @ Feb 22 2012, 09:09 PM) That's not really accurate bro. If you are doing 110km/h @ 2,000rpm, then by right at 160km/h your rpm should only be 2,909rpm. This means that at 160km/h you were still accelerating (2000/110) x 160 = 2,909rpm |
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Feb 23 2012, 09:11 AM
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Feb 24 2012, 02:52 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 23 2012, 02:44 PM) Speed and rpm depends a lot on the gearbox ratios and also the final drive ratios, only worth comparing between exact same models and not between makes The point is, when you're at a fixed cruising speed, an autobox will definitely lockup the torque converter, allowing a direct connection between the engine and GB. So, on a straight road or maybe a slight decline, if you maintain a certain speed the engine will spin according to a fixed final ratio. Let's say you're cruising at 110km/h and the tacho is showing 2,000rpm. By right, and assuming the engine has enough torque, if you can double the revs to 4,000rpm your speedo will be showing 220km/h. This indicates a tall overdrive ratio designed into the car. Of course, most NA family sedans will never be able to see that kind of low rpm at speeds beyond 200km/h. However, I do believe that the Optima 2.0 MPI should be able to handle 160km/h at top gear with lockup, so on paper, it should be doing around 2,909rpm at 160km/h. |
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Feb 24 2012, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 24 2012, 03:03 AM) 160 km will be closing in on red line because it needs max horsepower to reach the speed . The issue here is not about having different ratios on different cars. That is a given.Gear ratio are different between cars so RPMs will be different at the same speed. Your Simple example 5:1 ratio against 2:1, both produce same 1 rev but the 5:q1 ratio needs 5 turns before it makes 1 turn So all cars have different ratio between makes hence no sense to compare between Lockup doesn't mean it bypass ratios to 1:1, it means the torque converter is locked solid to the engine. The torque converter has no ratios inside it The issue here, is that *if* his car cannot cruise @ 160km/h at the same gearing as when cruising at 110km/h, then it means the car doesn't produce enough torque to cruise at a constant 160km/h. Bear in mind that from 110km/h onwards, if he isn't gunning it the car should be in 6th gear already, with full lock up. If you don't press hard on it and maintain throttle to cruise at that speed, the car doesn't need much hp and torque to maintain that speed over a distance, and the TC will not disengage from lockup. *If* lockup is not disengaged, the final rev to speed ratio is the same and it doesn't matter which car. Lockup essentially means, like what you said, engine speed is locked to gear speed. So how can gear speed and engine speed vary at lockup? Do you get what I'm trying to say here? And although a TC doesn't contain any ratios, by virtue of it spinning up to amplify torque, it adds its own "ratio" into the mix, up to the point it gets locked up (zero amplification). Now imagine for a second, a manual car with fixed ratios. Let's say at 5th gear 100km/h, that engine is doing 3,000rpm (typical of most 1.5 litre cars). In theory, and without considering wind drag etc, that car manages to double its engine speed on 5th gear. Since the ratio is fixed, if that car manages to hit 6,000rpm its speed would be 200km/h. As simple as that, and that's what torque converter lockup is all about, when the TC is no longer in freeplay mode. This post has been edited by gregy: Feb 24 2012, 02:51 PM |
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Feb 28 2012, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 24 2012, 03:02 PM) dude the torque converter doesn't spin on it's own like a slipping clutch lah, the rpms of the engine will spin the gearbox at the same rpms also, otherwise all auto cars will have the rubberband effect where the engine revs before the car moves, i've never ever driven a conventional auto that has or even able to do that. Sorry I didn't find time to reply earlier. Dude, do you even know what a torque converter is? I suggest you go and ask somebody or google it.A TC spins freely when the car is stopped. How the heck do you think an engine remains idling and not stalling when the GB's rpm doesn't match the engine's rpm? Aiyo....buat pandai je, but actually dunno much lol. This post has been edited by gregy: Feb 28 2012, 01:42 AM |
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Feb 28 2012, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(SA6YEuro @ Feb 28 2012, 03:19 PM) Got me all excited. Haha. Those were the glory years before cat cons and strict emissions regulations. These days it's getting harder to extract that last bit of performance from NA, so many manufacturers are opting for turbodiesel or petrol turbos instead. I think all European marques already have turbodiesels in their lineup. It's only the Japs and Koreans who are slow in their uptake on diesel fed lumps.One example is the legendary honda b series (not all) have managed to touch 100hp to 1lt ratio. But definitely we wont be gettin the gdi versions any time soon. |
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Feb 28 2012, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(SA6YEuro @ Feb 28 2012, 06:32 PM) Guess turbo is way forward. Most contis hav embraced this approach already. Japs n the rest are kinda slow. Most hybrids lack tt punch. Wait n see again. Civic or accord turbo? I would love to see a Honda VTEC SuperTurbo with NOS and water injection lol...Added on February 28, 2012, 8:32 pm QUOTE(jimz97 @ Feb 28 2012, 05:22 PM) Well, don't be surprise on the 6th serivice (60K) gonna cost you RM1.5K just for parts replace. I doubt how much the labour for this job. Wow, I didn't know the Optima uses a timing belt?K5 maintenace This post has been edited by gregy: Feb 28 2012, 08:32 PM |
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Feb 28 2012, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 28 2012, 08:35 PM) er....when japanese dominate rally and circuit race, they are using turbo wor. Yala, but those are big turbos with super laggy engines, not meant for day to day driving and good FC lor like s13,s14,s15 and skyline, RX7, evo, impreza STI. like 20 years ago? Last time one of the most successful rally cars was the Lancia Delta, this and the Celica. Ol skool |
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Haih, decisions, decisions. The K5 has everything I ever wanted in a car right now 'cept for the engine. Been mulling back and forth between this and a Golf/Jetta lol...
Must test drive the K5 for a better assessment. |
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Mar 1 2012, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 1 2012, 02:22 PM) No doubt i love my Forte, but the K5 is what my heart desires lol... Can't fight this feeling any longer, and yet I'm still afraid to let it flow, What started out as admiration has grown stronger, I only wish I had the strength to let the Golf go... |
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Mar 1 2012, 04:24 PM) pm me some details of ur vios.. my fren looking for 2nd hand vios.. You need to understand what HSAC is all about. It activates when you're on an incline, the moment you release the brake pedal it will hold the brake while you switch your foot over to the throttle. It only holds it for two seconds, not 10. How long do you need to move your leg from the brake to the throttle? And would you still want the brakes to be applied for 10 secs while you're stepping like a madman to try and get the car to move? LOL...and yea.. the hill start thingy only last for 10 sec and it will roll backwards? not until the driver press the acceleration pedal?? sounds stupid leh.. This post has been edited by gregy: Mar 1 2012, 05:08 PM |
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QUOTE(serendipity168 @ Mar 1 2012, 06:13 PM) Gregy, I beg to differ. This is how I've tested it - I had the car stopped right before the hill top (45 degree incline). The brakes was floored completely. Next, I slowly removed my foot from the brakes and the car just remained immobilized. I can't really recall but it was definitely more than 2 sec. Hmmm, I think you're right, though I can't find any reference to exactly how long it will stay like that without any driver input on the throttle. Perhaps, someone can volunteer to time it out when they take the Optima out for a spin? Much appreciated http://www.autoevolution.com/news/kia-veng...ewed-16616.html |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 2 2012, 07:07 PM) Guys, i managed to get a 2nd test drive today. Im more impressed now. Here is my take on the car: Bro, thanks for the review. Now let's talk about ethics.Acceleration & pickup I had 4 adults in the car including the salesman. Managed to get a straight clear road and floored the pedal. The acceleration was sluggish for the first 2 secs and then the power kicked in. I must say its very much comparable to the Teana with its Xtronic unlike what i mentioned earlier. The engine has got a certain vroom to it more like a rumbling tiger when the RPM passes the 2000 mark. Some might love it but i think it didnt sound too refined for my taste. The Teana and Camry were a tad more refined. But the power was there and the pickup was really impressive despite its heavier weight. I would think the harshness of the engine will improve over time since i was the 1st to test this car when it arrived yesterday. Handling & Road Grip I chose a deserted roundabout and did about 7 rounds at about 80kmph with the full load of passengers. I must say i am quite impressed with its cornering ability and road grip. There was only marginal body roll (much better than the Camry at lower speeds). The 18 inch tyres and probably traction control really kept the car stable. Not sure if 80kmph was fast enough for a roundabout but its certainly the fastest ive been on one. Its a small roundabout so turns would have been sharper. Brakes The brakes are quite good and stopping power was quite evident. I even tried cornering braking while taking the roundabout and the stopping power was really good. I hit about 110kmph before i came up to a traffic light and slammed the brakes (not enough to engage the ABS though). It surely has a confident feel. NVH & Wind Noise As mentioned earlier, i hit 110kmph and tried different scenarios with the sunroof just to gauge the NVH of the sunroof. I tried with the ceiling panel open but with the glass closed and also with both closed. The effect was the same. Virtually no wind noise even at high speeds. Not sure if it will hold up at around 140-150kmph though. Didnt feel any windo noise coming from the doors or windows as well which mean the door seals are quite good. Hope they last though. But during hard acceleration, the engine could be heard and it does sound a bit harsh. But once you reach cruising speed, the engine is virtually silent. The whole test drive lasted about 1 hour (longest ive been). I must say im more impressed now. Im almost certain to get the Optima K5 now. Have started asking around to get the best deals. Best i got so far was a RM700 rebate. 1) You are thrashing someone's car, one that wasn't designated as a test drive unit. And the way you put it, looks like you held no punches 2) After thrashing that car, and concluded that you love it, you still had the cheek to go around asking for the best price, when the ethical thing to do is to book with the sales guy who colluded with you. Being frugal and calculative is one thing, being a general prick is another. You better quickly buy yours before I start looking around lol. God forbid I end up with the car that you thrashed... |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 3 2012, 01:50 PM) 1) The car that i used was in fact the display car at the branch. Its still there today (i checked). Their actual delivery units are at the store at the back. They have 6 due for delivery. Ok if you maintain that it was a test drive unit then my apologies. I was under the assumption that you test drove another car that was about to be delivered like the first time you tested one. 2) I had already told the salesman that im looking for the best discounts. This guy is now trying to get me a higher trade in value for my own car in lieu of a discount. Trust that clarifies. And pls dont call me a prick. I'm curious though as to how you managed to wrangle a unit for testing since official test drives are only available mid March? |
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QUOTE(yazidsahak @ Mar 4 2012, 12:28 AM) i'm very much interested with the new K5 as i'm looking for my 2nd car. few options including K5. went to KIA showroom in glenmarie shah alam today to see it. Bro, what other cars are you comparing the K5 against? Curious to know.was amazed by the size of the boot! its huge! then there was it. nothing else impressed me. the built can be say slightly lower than japs, but with 5 yr warranty i dont think u need to worry much. but the dashboard / fascia plastic is not up to my expectation. the door are not as solid as japs, IMHO, no nice 'tummbb' sound and felt light the leather inside was not impressive, stitching and quality somehow i dont see myself driving this car in the future so i ended up my visit in only 15 mins by the way, the sales person said they are doing a customer day next weekend, so u can test drive car, including K5. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 5 2012, 02:48 PM) The best thing is to bring along a thumb drive with your favourite mp3s for an audition in both cars for a fair assessment. Play the exact same songs and listen for differences. |
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