If you want a really good sound system it's best to pay one of the local sound tuners a visit

I suspect one of the reasons for having the sub on one side is to free up some space for tall objects. At least this way, there is some headroom. Putting it right smack in the middle might not be as practical. Just a thought.

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Added on December 28, 2011, 11:15 amWhich hole did you crawl out from? Kia on par only with China brands? Maybe in your own mind on your own little island.

This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 28 2011, 11:15 AM

Black won't do this car justice because many accented parts on the exterior are black. The titanium graphite on the other hand, looks good. You should go see the car yourself to judge.

Don't be so naive. Everything is made in China these days. Apple, LG, HTC etc. Electronics today aren't made to last. A Merc today is no longer as tough and durable as it used to be 30 yrs ago. Same with Jap cars.

The way you put it is as if you've owned a few Korean cars in the past and they've all let you down. I don't know where you live, but around my neighbourhood plenty of Getz, Aveo, Spectra, Matrix etc are still running around. Their mechanical engineering back then may not be good, but many ppl have said that those cars, even though with mechanical issues, are rock solid in terms of suspension and bodywork.

Are you driving a Kia to judge that Naza "has plenty of rooms for improvement."?

3yrs by today's standards is a fairly new car, but a new car it is not. And judging by the general population and how "well" they take care of their cars, 3yrs makes a car really old.

Why do you think a 10yo S-class is cheap? You need to thank our govt's archaic road tax policy. The smallest engine on an S-class is a 2.8-litre. That's RM1.6k for road tax. And by dirt cheap, you do know that it's still going for between RM75-88k right? Compare that to a same year Camry 2.0 or 2.2 going for about RM28-35k. It's still more than double the price.

How can you compare a 10yo Jap car against a 10yo Conti and call the latter "dull"?

If I could afford the FC, road tax and maintenance of a 10yo S-Class I'd buy one in a heartbeat! The reality is, someone wanting to own a 10yo S-Class is someone who can afford a brand new RM170k D-segment car with a 2.4 or smaller engine. So pls don't condemn that car, or an old Bimmer for that matter.

Err, that just means you're either a lightweight, super safe and slow driver or lucky or you hardly drive the car. My ex used to drive the same car as yours. First month, boot developed a leak. Problem with the seal on the tail lamps. 2nd yr, radiator got busted. Same yr, air cond had to be fully serviced. At that time the paintwork had dulled. 4th yr, compressor needs to be changed. 5th yr, couldn't tahan, changed to another Vios, a dugong. Dunno how that one is doing (she's my ex). As far as she's concerned, those little issues she had with her car are part n parcel of car ownership. Nothing catastrophic that couldn't be handled. I tend to agree.

You have got to stop singing praises about your beloved Vios. Every frickin car (Asean, Korean, Conti or local) has issues regardless. It's how u solve it that counts. I have a feeling that whatever car u end up buying next will also end up being problem free for you. Let's just hope you buy a Kia next, they could really appreciate someone like you on board.

Hopefully they'll revise it once this first batch is sold. I'm keeping my thumbs n toes crossed too

[quote=turbocharged,Dec 29 2011, 02:39 PM]
ei, 10k, not a lot la.

u less frequent eat seafood or starbuck, or iphone, then you can get it already.

if u wanna buy 40k car, 10k is a lot.

if you wanna buy 140k, 10k is not a lot la.


By that same token, 144k for this car vs 153k for Camry 2.0G even less difference

Toyota woh... Where got fight?

RON95 can be used with a turbo engine, why not? It's all a matter of factory tuning. All the Golfs, Passat CCs etc all can run on RON95 wat. Even the new Exora CFE can run on RON95. Not so powderful la, that's all...

Of course, unless it's specified by the manufacturer that you must use RON97 or higher, like the Civic Type R running on factory tune. My fren went and detuned his CTR cos beh tahan the fuel price lol...

Bro, you can't take two different segments to validate your statement. A young man starting out is highly unlikely to consider an old D-segment for various reasons, including high FC, high maintenance costs, higher road tax and an uncle image, among other things. A cheaper to maintain C or B segment car is more suited to them. As such, D segment cars tend to depreciate more than a B or C segment car. And, once you see the rough calculations I did below, it will change a lot of perceptions. I must admit I too was shocked at the results. Do indulge me:

Let's compare the following D segment cars:

2003 Camry 2.0 (the big backside model) New price = RM140k
2003 Sonata 2.0 New price = RM110K

2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k
2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k

Camry's residual value = (55/140) x 100 = 39.28%, depreciation = 60.72% or RM85k
Sonata's residual value = (25/110) x 100 = 22.73%, depreciation = 77.27% or RM85k

So at the end of the day, what does it tell you? If you take away the percentages and other figures and look at the bottomline, both cars lost RM85k over a span of 9 yrs, or a flatline depreciation of RM9,444 per annum.

If I were you I'd hold for a while, at least until the new Camry is launched.

Ya, I believe that's the one. Front looking like the current gen Accord and rear looking a bit like the previous gen Accord Euro. Inside still typical ahpek style...

Err, that is the price without insurance, road tax etc. Factor all that in and the price will be 143,888, back to square one. It's not right to compare the 508 and Optima in this regard because the latter was only launched at the end of Dec. From then till now it has only been 2 weeks plus.

After you get your car, pls come in and start a new "Sila JELES" thread kekeke...

I agree with you, and you are totally right, after 5-6 yrs the resale value will kinda even out. Already proven it with a simple calculation between a 2003 Camry and 2003 Sonata. At present value, both cars lost the same amount of money lol.... Only people who don't know how to count or are persistently ignorant will tell you about resale this and that BS.

Cheers.

Eh Bangla,

140,000 x 60.72% = RM85,008
110,000 x 77.27% = RM84,997

Better go back and let your lenses "absorb" light lol...

First of all, Happy CNY...

I think the automotive landscape has changed since the days of total Jap domination of certain segments in the market. People are now beginning to look beyond the obvious safe choices and make informed decisions against the grain sometimes.

All I can say is, if you plan to change cars every 2-3 years, then a Korean marque may not be a good choice. Then again, judging from the used prices of the latest Sonata YF and Forte, I daresay they have managed to maintain their prices quite alright, you can thank the 5-yr fully transferable warranty (300,000km for Hyundai and unlimited mileage for Kia) for that. Of course, both Sonata and Forte can't compare to City, Vios and Myvi for resale value.

Anyway, let's take a look at another comparo:

Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.



The difference between a Korean and a Jap is not much actually, nothing like comparing a Jap to say an Alfa, Audi, Citroen, Peugeot, Saab, Volvo, Renault or Skoda.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 23 2012, 03:20 AM

The shockers on the Msian Optima, although set according to the Oz Optima specs, aren't supplied by Sachs but nonetheless are still marketed as high performance dampers. And, having only the same dual CVVT MPI engine as the current Sonata 2.0 but with a slightly heavier curb weight, a good place to start would be reading the local reviews on the Sonata to get an idea of what sort of driveability the Optima is able to conjure up.

Ok since we're spilling our innermost thoughts here, I think the H.City looks super ahbeng in front, like The Fallen from Transformers, an ancient beast that has been sleeping for generations. And the butt. OMG, don't even get me started. It's the fugliest piece of sh1t I've ever seen on a car. What the hell were they thinking? I don't even need to see it, just imagine that farkin fugly City butt is enough to spoil my whole day.

Winner talking here...

Right on bro, you've got your facts right

225/45 is already higher profile than the Forte SX's 215/45