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post Aug 22 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Aug 22 2011, 02:44 PM)
It seems Maemo is like a completely different group; Looking at the OS phone functionality, if it's a Nokia, it should have the same functionality or even close as the Symbian, but seems it's not; So it's like a completely different group that don't interact, sort of like a 3rd party?

I think they're like "testing" with Maemo (like a backup), but dare not invest or put much effort on it. So, it's just left there, and release it half-bake.

Anyway, just hope the MeeGo is a complete bake or at least near complete bake. As long as it's stable and works well, the support isn't so much important anymore, just for minor bug fix and so on. Support is important if the OS is problematic and/or half-baked.
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Testing? Sorry, deal closed... I would be surprised if its not MICROSOFT EXCLUSIVE.

Then again, I cant wait to try this dead zombie... all the praise... You know lar... Whats the big deal sort of thing. Try it... then only compare.


Added on August 22, 2011, 6:19 pm
QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Aug 22 2011, 01:33 PM)
Problem with Nokia is it's always been Symbian,Symbian & Symbian.
Only when it became desperate Nokia turned to Maemo/MeeGo but even that plan was planned half bakedly.
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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Sep 7 2011, 12:18 PM)
That's expensive la. Hope for Msia it will be 1.7k for 16GB the most.
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Limited edition sure expensive... in other places, you dont even get a chance to buy one, officially.
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QUOTE(AlOnE89 @ Sep 8 2011, 11:40 AM)
Orz.. now that's really weird XD

I wonder when will Nokia put some demo units up, can't wait to try =.=
@KennyB

Well at least Intel is not giving up Meego, and it seems Samsung is eye-ing on it too, so..
even if Nokia already given up Meego, I think we're still able to leech a bit from new Meego's partners? O.o
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Oh... Price out already? Any news on which outlet will be having a playable unit...

Can't wait to try... I wonder if worth buying one.
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post Sep 17 2011, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 17 2011, 05:01 PM)
N8 could be a better product if Nokia was not cheap on it's hardwares.
Even 800MHz CPU & 512MB RAM could have made N8 much better phone.
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Even 1GHz also die..
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post Sep 17 2011, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Sep 17 2011, 06:49 PM)
Thanks, not worried,  minor issue, just that different sites give different info, Nokia site also not clear on that.

Videos... should be able to support rmvb too right?
Contacts should be able  transfer from main phone through bluetooth ?
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I havent seen any phone that support hardware acceleration for RMVB, or was there one that I missed out?
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Sep 17 2011, 07:57 PM)
My E6 can play rmvb files, but lag a bit. Real Player is built in. The new models with Belle, 700, 701,etc should be able to play it more smoothly. 
I thought the Android phones long time ago can play rmvb?
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Can, but same what, laggy. Newer dual core haven't try yet. If got hardware acceleration, will be smooth like butter. All just rely on software, depends on CPU speed lor. SGS also lag when I tried it. S2 haven't try.
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post Sep 18 2011, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 18 2011, 09:42 AM)
Nokia N9 pre-orders through the roof, 64GB batch all reserved in Finland.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9_preorders..._-news-3143.php

Never in living memory has a Nokia product created so much excitement. But the ex-Microsoft Elop is trying his best to put down N9 so that he can justify to the world that he was right to bet the company on WP7.
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Or you should say Nokia never learn the true art of marketing until now. Purposely limiting the number of device available for sale to systematically create a continuous flow of sales for Weeks.

I wonder if anyone would thanks him if Nokia has better software support for N9. Afterall, the previous helm dont think you Maemo guys deserved any attention at all.
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post Sep 19 2011, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 18 2011, 06:21 PM)
If possible do it like Anandtech's SGS II review


Added on September 18, 2011, 8:27 pmTo the rangers : When are you guys getting hands on N9?
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September 31st I think... laugh.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 19 2011, 06:50 PM)
Don't bother getting the Android phone with best hardware.Just buy Android phone which "works" with you.
Nowdays I see a lot people comparing Evo 3D & SGS II's specs & having troll match to see which one is the best.I lazy want to entertain people like this.
People like this say iFags are brain washed by Apple but in reality they are also brainwashed nerds

Everytime I see post like "SGS II is the best phone" or "iPhone is the best phone",I feel like vomiting.
I like Nokia N900 a lot but I'm pretty sure I never said it's the best phone in world or whatsoever.

/rant
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SGS II is the best phone I ever used...

/action watching, still watching... and still watching...

Anyway, its not like Nokia fans do not compare... basically Nokia is doing what Proton is doing with Wira... FL1, FL2, FL2.1, FL3... all same spec, with different camera and case... what you want to compare?

I love Google and Apple... because they forced Nokia to change... LOL
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QUOTE(Patent @ Sep 20 2011, 07:54 PM)
When you are just about to have fun with the phone, Nokia will announce that they will drop support for the phone. :|
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You better worry about apps availability than firmware support.

Like Mac vs Windows back in those days... Mac softwares are like so damn rare...
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 20 2011, 08:29 PM)
True, for N9 to be a real mass product there must be sufficient apps. But N9 already has a head start with N900/950 and Maemo 5 apps which only need some tweaking and re-compiling. With good community support it may overtake the pathetic bada app store in useful apps in 6 months.

Take a look at the N9 apps here. Not bad for a start.
http://my-meego.com/software/index.php

And Maemo 5 apps
http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/
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Taking a peek at the link that you posted already enough to deter those who are interested away. Is this the answer to apps availability? Sucks is the only word I can use to describe it. In this age of mobile computing, if you don't have a proper access to app store, you are scaring people away.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Sep 20 2011, 09:16 PM)
I don't think it will scare people away, it is a good start. Bada store started worse than this and Samsung has sold millions of Bada phones. Many users are willing to buy on the hope that apps will grow but in 6 months there must be a reasonably good app store or sales will falter.
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Kekeke...

Nokia so-called highend Meego only comparable to the lowly Bada?
Want to find a target to compare and built also target higher end stuffs lor.

There is no guarantee what will happen in 6months, especially given its Nokia and its transformation process.


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QUOTE(Hico @ Sep 20 2011, 09:22 PM)
i should say many users will stand outside waiting for the apps to grow before they really decide to step in.. one of the reason why Bada phone success is its price compare to the spec.. my colleague got 2 bada.. the time he bought the wave 1 was sgs time...tat time sgs was selling almost 1.9k compare to bada 1.2-3k but with same spec and super amoled.. at that time, thats the trend and hype for the samsung.. then when wave 2 came out, my another colleague bought one..he bought at 1.2k..that time sgs still sell at 1.7k.. the price and the spec of the phone really make some influence.. but after buying, they complain the app was so little and they almost want to sell them off for an android phone.. but no reseller value. so they keep as normal phone usage. even till now, they still complaining abt this.. and now the news says that samsung is thinking to make bada open source in 2012..but cannot deny, samsung itself support the bada so hard.. this is important too.. tongue.gif
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Dare I say it, most of Bada phone buyers were either Koreans or people conned into thinking that it was SGS little bro.

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Sep 20 2011, 09:50 PM)
It would not scare away the Meego/Maemo fans & Nokia fans. biggrin.gif  Meego I dunno but Nokia users, are not crazy about apps anyway. If we are, jump ship or half jump already. Android fans yes, they want apps.
IOS...those I know have 2 groups : a) less computer literate who have problem setting up email or doing online searches, more oldies here  b) those computer literate ones, more younger generation. Some want apps, some dont, some too busy struggling to 'cari makan' to bother abt apps

N9 is supposed to be 'without support', first & last...blah blah. Those who make the jump either dont care abt the apps part or going to hack it like nobody's business.  whistling.gif
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Somehow only Nokia or should I say, Maemo true fans are able to say that out loud and proud
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 20 2011, 10:00 PM)
Maemo/MeeGo usually depends on repository rather then App Store.
Yes,the repos might don't have the fancy UI's like proper App Store but you can get almost any type of application you want.

Well frankly speaking I think Maemo/MeeGo have done relatively well given Nokia have constantly neglect Maemo/MeeGo.If they gave the resource given to Symbian to the MeeGo team I'm quite sure it'll be perfectly competitive OS like iOS & Android.

I won't say Bada as bad OS.It's still have neat features & Samsung is committed to improve the OS.Also there a number of developers showing interest on Bada.So I think bada will improve in term of OS market share & quality (hardware & software wise)

I still remember how crippled Android was during version 1.6.
Give any of OS a chance to do what it's promised.Then we'll judge it.
Personally for me number off apps doesn't represent how good the OS it.
Perfect example for this case is webOS.
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Marketshare is not an indicator whether the OS is actually good. Nokia Symbian share is helped by the abundance of cheapo Symbian phones. I think with the exception of my wife who is using my N8, who else in my factory is using them? Banglas, Myanmar and Nepalese. LOL... does apps matters? NO!!!

Then again, the same could be say for Android, whereas at least 10 owners (that I knew) who know nuts about pc nor smartphone buying it and only use it to Fb and web browsing. But the difference is that Android is pushing the boundaries while Symbian is kicking left leg with right leg.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 20 2011, 10:19 PM)
I guess it's because people are "used" to App store, hence, other "store" concept like OVI Store, Markets, etc.
For Maemo, may I say that some/many users are not aware or know about the repository, they just visit the OVI Store, which practically has nothing much. 

So, talk about easy to access? I guess those that never own or use Maemo were talking from wild guess? The repository is built into the OS and it's one of the main icon under App Manager. What's so hard to use? It's easier to access and use than what store/market, there's no LOGIN required, no credit card bs, etc. and it's all FREE. Hard to use?
The problem maybe:
1. Not interactive enough, but it can be improve... just like FAP FAP FAP man and the likes, I guess Maemo users would understand better.
2. Need to enabled "more" repositories, which include risk such as beta/testing apps, as well as, "dangerous" apps (if any).
3. What else?

It's all about understand the OS and knowing more about it. One may have moved and lock onto the mindset after using/brainwash by one powerful influencing company which successfully changes everything. (e.g. like the term jailbreak, suddenly, it becomes a normal term to use; changing mindset that it's all about apps, forgetting the purpose of a smartphone, etc).

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with preferring either OS, it's personal preference. If one prefers iOS or app centric device, which have tons of apps, there the answer is clear, just go for it.
But many people already been brainwash and have the mindset of apps only.
It doesn't need a good OS for apps centric device, the OS can be very simple; Just imagine a MP3 player, evolve into multimedia player which allows people to watch videos, and later, add on internet browsing and ability to install apps. That's iPod Touch? Then add in phone functionality... Does it quality it as a smartphone?
I think many "experts" out there didn't quality it as smartphone since the beginning of time, just that many people don't understand because the company already successfully changes everything, the mindset of people, it's easy to change, especially when people are non-technical.
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Are you referring to something like Cydia or Installous?

Nvm, watched youtube video on this and in some ways, quite similar to Cydia and Installous.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 20 2011, 10:42 PM)
Hmmm....
IMO Cydia is bit of mess.
Applications should be organized instead of just jumble everything together.
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Is there any other video? This is quite messy like hell from what Im viewing.

Cydia is just the tool that enable jailbreak to break certain Apple restriction on iOS and access to other repository to install other app which get all the illegal stuffs done like Installous.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Sep 20 2011, 11:09 PM)
No idea why this guys App Manager is messed up.

In Maemo after you refresh your repos you get category menu 1st.Like Education,Navigation etc2.
From there you can choose any category you want & all the application will be displayed according to the alphabetical order.Once you choose any application you can check that particular applications description & changelog.If you want to download just press download.

It's quite simple actually.

Cydia doesn't jailbreak iOS.I think it's more like add in to download extra stuff not approved by Apple.
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Well, he clicked ALL...

So thats it? Any user feedback or review posted? Any screenshot of the viewed app?

Actually, pardon me for saying this anyway, but since its free, why are they scattered around in different repositories?
Why not just all in one place?

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QUOTE(FlameReaper @ Sep 20 2011, 11:19 PM)
Anyone who uses the N900 will, at some point, stop using the default application manager (as in the video) and prefer the command line's apt-get (via the X Terminal) or fapman either way.

Andrekua, you seem to be comparing those who have experienced the N900 to those who have experienced the iPhone. Having been involved with both, I had to say you can't address it like that because the way Maemo/Meego Harmattan handles software is different compared to, say, Android and iPhone.

If anything, I'd compare to a typical Linux distribution user but only toned and tuned for mobile use, because the N900 is a mobile device. And so will be the N9.
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Its not like I have any experience with Maemo in the first hand. Then again, coming from a different OS, its only natural for me to ask for something Im used to and think is better for me than to adapt myself to using the phone like a geek.

iOS user jailbreak and get installous because they want free 'paid' apps... but since its all free under Maemo, its surprising to find them scattered around different repo, and why not united under one hood? Does this mean I had to find and install my apps one by one if I ever get my phone reset?


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Web apps is not something you will die for, its just a convinient. It help keep you updated, straight to the point etc those kind of thing. Its not necessary anything to do with feature rich.

Of course the web browser is the general way to access information whatsoever but what people wants nowadays is some smart apps that help keep them updated whenever possible. Then again, this is not something that Nokia user (not sure about Maemo/Meego integration with social network) had experience before thus never rely on them before. For most Android and iOS user, they will feel like dying... LOL...

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