Compared to it's predecessor, considered VERY good already....

Why not?

Do you know last time N900 was never planned to launch in APAC? AP also cannot find, got lowyat people selling for RM3.3K++, suppose they bring in themselves or purchase online. People have to pay first also, this is more risky than paying to authorised Nokia dealer.
It took some time before AP company bring in, then they price drop to around RM2.2K.
But this is nothing compared to the fruit phone.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 30 2011, 03:35 PM

I guess it depends on individual. If really worry, then just pay deposit; Some don't even want to pay deposit. Even you pay deposit, doesn't mean the retailer cannot do the same thing to you. The retailer can hold your deposit and tell you your unit hasn't arrived yet.

If the retailer really want to do that, even you paid in full, you stand at the shop whole day, all the N9 units arrived, they can say it's not yours, e.g. follow first come first serve booking list, etc.
In short, everyone has their own opinions and choices.

Many people want high specs, but the problem is, do they know why they need or for what purpose? Do they really need it?

High spec is good, I would also prefer; BUT for most people, it's just "spec on paper" or to satisfy themselves and make them happy and brag about it, like "I got DUAL CORE processor phone" or "I got SGX540!!!". But then? So what?
If PHONE A (with low spec) runs the games smoother and better, no lag, and PHONE B (latest spec) runs the games less smooth and laggy. What's the point? Don't looks just on specs alone. Of course, it's NICE TO HAVE, and I'd prefer to have it.

Not all games requires high spec, even it some does, there's versions that meant for lower spec device. Example: For iPhone 3GS, you shouldn't install HD version of the games and you don't need to as well. Why do you want to install the HD version since your phone doesn't support it and the screen resolution is also low?
If you're talking about iPad, then of course you need the HD, if you install the non-HD version, the graphic is horrible when make fullscreen.
PSP doesn't have high specs and it's been how many years, yet the games and graphics are better than mobile phones.

When developer develop games, they don't develop for the highest spec availlable... they develop to a minimum requirement which is standard to most general phones (or lower).

In short, does everyone need a high spec, dual/quad core processor phone, etc?
What's actually important and concern to most people is actually, whether the phone is smooth, easy to use,.... APPS & GAMES; and to some, camera, web browser, etc.

The megapixel is not important. I'd prefer them to use smaller megapixel as the sensor is not big like N8. Pushing the megapixel will generate more noise, light gathering ability and less detail/quality to the photo.

Even given 12MP, how many people actually need it? Is it really need the 12MP, or just want to feel proud that one has "12MP" camera?

Don't have in Sunway Pyramid. Was there yesterday, all dummy sets

No proper advertisement. Do they have a TV in front of the shop promoting/showcase the N9?
I suggest this before to Nokia as I notice the same trend with N900.

When I was testing at Nokia Centre, many people come and go and wonder what is this N9, not much idea about it, and some people come and ask about Android, etc. The sales staff doesn't seem to be very familiar with it either, just know the basic details I guess? It really needs to do something to let people get a clear picture and understand, e.g. put a TV in front of the shop displaying the videos, ads, etc of N9. Passers by may stop and look, if the ads is interesting enough, they may drop in and check it out, or try it.

I think they will from N9, from previous response from them. I don't think they want it to end up like N900.

Not sure their plans, maybe they have some plans but not yet execute; but then it all depends on the marketing team, what they decide/propose, etc. Like the N9 ninja thingy.
I heard advertising by Radio DJ today morning as well.

But I'd say these are not really effective as I believe they need to attract people/passer by through video advertisement. How many people pass by Nokia Centre per day, especially on weekends, and how many actually want to step in; Even those step in, they just see see look look, but may not want to touch the N9, even they touch, they may not fully understand, and may think it's just another Nokia Symbian phone? These ads/videos, will give them a clearer picture, and when they test, they roughly know how to use already. For most people I see, they don't even know how to unlock the screen. They just touch touch, press the volume button, cannot unlock, see see, then walk away.

Maybe some Nokia Centre already have it, or maybe because it depends on the "dealer" since all these centres are actually authorised dealer (e.g. Hello Station), so it might depend on them whether to invest or they want Nokia to sponsor, etc. I don't know the details, but just sharing what I see/experience and thought would've work better.

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Added on October 3, 2011, 10:34 amThey need to sell off the N9 as well. But then, it's still a great phone.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 3 2011, 10:34 AM

When he first join, there was a saying that "Send someone inside, attack from the inside, then TAKE OVER".
From what he did, killing Symbian, MeeGo, and promoting WP all the way; It does seem very true.

There was also article about how Maemo is being killed, and then MeeGo.

True, but most importantly, it's easy to pickup and only need to learn once.

The hardest part, I guess, is for people to "start". Like many things, once we learn it, we will know. But most people prefer to stick to what they already familiar and know, so anything "NEW", regardless how easy it is, it's hard for them to "start".

One reason Maemo died, I would say because there was not enough effort put in. The team I would say is very small; It could've been a very successful OS, a high end device OS that is, replacing those Nokia Communicator device line.

For Symbian, the problem is they're trying to fix and improve something. It can be very hard and tough, especially if you change hands of developers. Working on someone else work can be crazy, especially if it's poorly maintained and without future expansion in mind.

Switching over to WP7, that doesn't mean there's need to kill off MeeGo. It seems more like there's some other reason.

That's true, it can be a problem if given to someone to "help", but similarly, it can be useful to help protect your device from getting unlock easily by others, especially kids

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 3 2011, 10:59 AM

That's from marketing/management perspective without looking into the whole picture? How much investment, hardwork is put on the development, what about the people who work on it, etc? It's easy to abandon a project, but it's hard to start and save one.
Anyway, all we're doing is just our own speculations/assumptions, but from what I can see, are they trying to push MeeGo? I doubt it, and from the people who involved in development since Maemo, already mentioned clearly how they and the project were treated.

To move on to N9, now that the phone seems very promising, doesn't that mean there can be opportunity to change their decision to continue it? but if that wasn't even in their consideration no matter how successful it become, then isn't it very clear what's the intention?
Is there any good reason to abandon something, if it's successful or plan to abandon, but if proves to be successful and gets well respond, they will "consider" it? But if the answer in NO to everything, regardless of what happen and trying to make it worst, then it just doesn't look right.

Thanks to Apple. They really changes everything. The managed to brainwash many people and make them think how they want them to think.

Not true; There's always something called OPTIONS.
That is, turn off FLASH for those that don't need. Or by default, turn it off, then for those who understand the risk, they can choose to turn it on.

Don't get brainwash by Apple words; They don't provide the support, they give "excuses" and make people believe and think how they want people to think. Sadly, they successfully done it easily with simple words.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 4 2011, 12:21 PM

Before Apple, no such thing as removing Flash; Things were moving at the correct path, towards mobile computing, bringing one closer to desktop computer experience. Most (if not all) people wants Flash support, browsers or smartphones keep trying to improve the web browsing experience, include Flash. N900 being the first smartphone to introduce full flash experience, brings that closer, then Android.

It may not be NEED as a requirement, but you can't deny or hide that Flash is still used by many websites, and not being able to view those sites properly is simply fail. Now, let's put it simple, let's forget about what licensing, FOSS, etc. THINK simple as a user, does a user want to experience and see what they can see like their home computer? The answer is most probably YES.

As I said, it's not about lag, high resource consumption and all those rubbish "excuses". If that is a concern, then just make the default option as TURN OFF. When user want, they need to TURN ON with an message letting them know if they turn on this Flash, they might experience some performance issue.
It's the same as JavaScript, Java or whatsoever plugins. Does our PC browser remove them? No. You can have options to turn it off.
Removing something completely without giving option, then saying due to XX reasons are all "excuses". They are treating ALL users as dummy, and preventing people complains about performance issue in case some user face problem without understanding why.

Again back to basics: OPTIONS, not "excuses".
It's not right to say nowadays it HTML5, so no need for Flash, or Flash is super high resource consumption and all those. Don't want to provide, just say don't want to provide, be honest and frank... but then, they can't, it's a business.
It's also same like AUTO-FOCUS VS EDOF feature on camera. Saying EDOF is fast without providing Auto-Focus is "excuses"; You can switch to Sports mode which doesn't require focus or provide option to turn off auto-focus to get EDOF. But if you have EDOF only, you have no options.

For those that don't want Flash, of course, they might not understand. But because of this, people doesn't care or push, manufacturer just drop it and say, "got people say no need mah!"
If there is a CHOICE,
N9 - Without Flash support
N9i - everything same but with Flash Support
I wonder which will people choose?
Got is better than No.

Anyway, about Flash support, I'm not sure if it can be implemented by browser alone? Because it doesn't seem so for N900/Maemo5, even with Chromium and Firefox, I don't see people talking about Flash10 available?

ADD ON:
Flash 10 was initially planned for N900/Maemo5, it was demoed and publish on YouTube, it's used for testing.
But what happen? It never came. In Adobe forums, the staff did say it was available, but it was "up to Nokia". Maybe there is some licensing or something or whatsoever.
Flash was also planned for MeeGo btw.

So, it's more about "demand" and how the user/public respond. If the customers themselves doesn't request or push, and become like Apple users... how would you expect it to be available?
Before this, the talk about Flash availability on MeeGo was quite positive, but seems it's fading off and covering up with "excuses".
This is not hardware, it can still be made available even after the device was launch.




This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 4 2011, 01:59 PM

Depends on users, some don't see "these" differences.

iPhone is more of a evolved MP3 player.

MP3 Player --> Multimedia Player --> Multimedia Player + Apps Support + Web Browsing (iPod Touch) --> add in phone function (Yay! iPhone and it cost more than double the price of iPod Touch).

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 4 2011, 02:02 PM

Same like N900 last time. The launching in other countries were happening and detail, also very technical.

Flash is pretty much a standard or very commonly used. It's not just used for videos, it's also used for many things, like games, ads, etc. Many websites still using Flash, and browsing with a phone with Full Flash VS Flash Lite VS totally no Flash will be a lot of difference. There're also flash "animations" around. (some good site will be newgrounds.com, armorgames.com, and several other sites...)
Imagine if you're on mobile with a few friends, they shared a link or something, which is flash based content, and you are the only one cannot view it. Having to have is better that not having it.
It's NOT like there is NONE or it cannot be implemented? If it cannot be done then it is different story... but if it can be done, and what's more, there were plans for it somemore... then suddenly don't have?
What if, it's already available and ready, then they decide to ditch it?

It really depends on the consumer. If there is, do you want it?
Whether they give or not, the price will be the same. So, if given a CHOICE, will you buy it and choose not to have it at all? Or choose to have it, but turn it off by default?

Another thing, having it provided by default is better than pre-install later because:
1. Not everyone knows they can pre-install or need to install.
Another scenario: If the car manufacturer provide you a car, with some features not provided by default, and requires you to go and install later.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Oct 5 2011, 01:13 AM

I believe their camera will be successful, they aim differently, not really on quality, but perhaps usability and "performance"; It's easy to snap a photo with iPhone, capture the moment; Not everyone look into the detail of quality.

As for voice recognition, it's not something new anyway, it's pretty old; Perhaps what Apple able to do is something that actually works properly and well.

Maybe that's why he left. But then, I still wonder about his role and contribution, or what he actually do because what he says doesn't sound like the brain and person behind iPhone, but more like a salesman/marketing person who talk crap.

Wow! discuss = kiasu

Not really a risk, unless one doesn't know anything and just go for it. People who know about it and want it, it's different story.
Next, some people (actually quite a lot nowadays), change phone often, so owning this phone will be sort of a priviledge or opportunity to own it, since there will be no more this MeeGo phone from Nokia, probably none at all. So, it'll be an experience and chance to own a MeeGo phone which will go down in history.

Nonetheless, it's still a great phone (nice design, nice to look at, nice to hold, nice surface,etc) and a good mobile OS, smooth, nice true multi-tasking, etc.
The drawback is, if you experience something better, later you can find back this "experience" or "feature" in other mobile phone OS, it'll be kinda hard to move on or accept (such as the true-multitasking experience; as experience by N900 owners who switched)

Probably now the reason is clear why he left. RIP.

Me too, not a coffee person, both technically and non-technically

Same for video call.

It's JOBS!!! Oooops.... sorry my bad

Previously tested many apps, it's still smooth; Maybe this one before he tested, someone did a stress test, open many many many apps, and open many webpage which consume high resource, etc. Then after finish testing, didn't close it, or purposely leave it on =P

Last time I go DiGi Centre, saw the HTC Desire HD. When I test, it's soooo laggy. I guess it depends on the user, if the user test and straight confirm it's laggy, then it's the user problem for not understanding and finding out why.
Even iPhone or iPod Touch, I also experience lag before.

To put blame is easy, but how many actually tries to find out the reason and understand?