Designed to be used by dummies is OK (aka simple), don't make everything for dummies, like iOS.
Make things simple but NOT remove the intermediate-advance features.When you remove, it no longer feels or qualified as a smartphone OS, but probably a multimedia OS or app launcher, such as those Multimedia players, adding in internet browsing capabilities, apps support.

I guess it's because people are "used" to App store, hence, other "store" concept like OVI Store, Markets, etc.
For Maemo, may I say that some/many users are not aware or know about the repository, they just visit the OVI Store, which practically has nothing much.

So, talk about easy to access? I guess those that never own or use Maemo were talking from wild guess? The repository is built into the OS and it's one of the main icon under App Manager. What's so hard to use? It's easier to access and use than what store/market, there's no LOGIN required, no credit card bs, etc. and it's all FREE. Hard to use?
The problem maybe:
1. Not interactive enough, but it can be improve... just like FAP FAP FAP man and the likes, I guess Maemo users would understand better.
2. Need to enabled "more" repositories, which include risk such as beta/testing apps, as well as, "dangerous" apps (if any).
3. What else?

It's all about understand the OS and knowing more about it. One may have moved and lock onto the mindset after using/brainwash by one powerful influencing company which successfully changes everything. (e.g. like the term jailbreak, suddenly, it becomes a normal term to use; changing mindset that it's all about apps, forgetting the purpose of a smartphone, etc).

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with preferring either OS, it's personal preference. If one prefers iOS or app centric device, which have tons of apps, there the answer is clear, just go for it.

But many people already been brainwash and have the mindset of apps only.
It doesn't need a good OS for apps centric device, the OS can be very simple; Just imagine a MP3 player, evolve into multimedia player which allows people to watch videos, and later, add on internet browsing and ability to install apps. That's iPod Touch? Then add in phone functionality... Does it quality it as a smartphone?
I think many "experts" out there didn't quality it as smartphone since the beginning of time, just that many people don't understand because the company already successfully changes everything, the mindset of people, it's easy to change, especially when people are non-technical.

Which part?
Cydia is way beyond iOS boundaries of simplicity/etc. and it's not part of the OS, it requires jailbreak.
For Maemo, the version of "Cydia" is built into the OS but it's not so interactive; in some ways, I'd say it's better, especially the installation part, and certain part.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 20 2011, 10:33 PM

You can view by "ALL" (which is sorted by alphabetical order) or by category. You can turn off or on any repo, so it won't show or load up in the list.

Cydia is way beyond the boundaries of iOS simplicity; Many users don't really know how to use it. Mostly, people jailbreak and setup for them. The repo in Maemo is much more easier to use than iOS Cydia.
Searching is possible too, it will filter down the list as you type.
When you backup, the list of apps you have and the repos will also be backed up, so if you reset, you can install back everything. The drawback is it needs to download again.
As I said, all these can be improved and further enhance.

Previously, talk about user getting used to "store" or "market"; For Maemo, the "OVI Store" has nothing much, but because most users ONLY know about these "store" or "market", they may not be aware about the "App Manager" which is built-in the OS; Even they do, they may not know they need to add the repositories to access to more apps, plugins, add-ons, etc. Well, that's for N900; For N9/MeeGo, the 'OVI Store' or whatever 'store' it will be called, may be better; As for the "repositories", what I feedback to Nokia previously was the incident of N900/Maemo, whereby may users were not aware and there was no guide or probably guidance from the staff.

All it takes is just to show and how to start. A quick guide/tutorial video will be a good idea to provide in the phone, in fact, they can provide few videos to show how to do certain things, this will be something useful for all new users. Sometimes, many things are not complicated or hard, just that people are not willing/dare to try or explore, unless someone shows it. The video idea is a easy to reach approach, without the need for the staff to explain and guide each and every user. Already suggested this to FH, whether this idea will be used, I'm not sure.

For default App Manager, there isn't; but it can actually be improved/enhance anyway, or through "add-ons" or plugins. (e.g. App Rating)
For 3rd party App Manager, it depends on the developer, like FAP Man.

As for the different repo, I think it's quite common, even Cydia, you'll find tons of repos, just that many of it already provided by default.
For Maemo, the main 3 repo (from Community that is) itself already contain tons of apps, add-ons, plugins, etc. anyway.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 21 2011, 12:03 AM

If the social network integration is like Maemo, then yes, it's already integrated since very long ago; Hope it's better refined in MeeGo.

What Aegis?

For me, I don't think it's really an issue; As long as the OS is stable and have all the required features/functions, I'm happy with it. The updates may not be so important, but it'll be NICE to have.

As for apps, I rather have something that is good and useful, but honestly, I have tons of apps install but I rarely use them. Just like iPod Touch, tons of apps installed, but I hardly even touch the device. Games? It'll be nice to have too, but for serious gaming, I still prefer proper controls and gaming device. Maybe some interesting game for pass time is good, but then it may affect your device battery life.
The apps availability, should be a lot better than N900, so I think there's no much to worry about... Even now they have few nice games available for N9 before it was available, plus, they're encouraging and getting developers for the N9/MeeGo, even locally, so I think it's already make more difference comparing with N900 time.

Would love to get the N950


This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 21 2011, 11:22 AM

I think better not; If one or two apps can deter one's decision, it's better to stick to the common, because what's important to the person is not actually the OS, or the phone, etc. It's all about the apps, particularly the 1 or 2 apps.

It really depends on what one is looking for (e.g. someone looking for a good camera phone, then no matter how great the OS, hardware, if the camera is not good, all else fails). So, similar concept applies, ONE app is enough to change one's decision, because the person values and prioritize the app.

No point for those people to take the risk.

Perhaps you haven't use Maemo and don't know how the social network integration works?

Social Networks are integrated into the contact book, that means, your friends account can have Facebook, Skype and whichever social network service implemented (non implemented, we can install through 3rd party plugins, e.g. MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, etc.).
Messaging are called Conversations, whereby, here you can SMS or Chat with your friend which are online in social networks, without the need to open 3rd party application OR purposely LOGIN to those applications. So, those social network app thing is considered useless unless one prefers it, for me, I like the idea of integrated and I don't like to open another 3rd party application to do it.
When Maemo, when you tap CONNECT to internet, you will automatically login to all your social networks (unless you decide to disable them (offline)). So, basically, it's much easier and faster, easier to manage, and history of your conversations are there, which also means, many features can be implemented.

Erm, replacement for SMS? I don't think that's correct. It's an IM client (Instant Messaging) which requires data network (internet connection)? Actual SMS does not requires any internet connection. So, it's more like replacing MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger or those IMs?

If you're talking about WhatsApp can send another mobile without internet connection, through SMS, and the person can reply back, and then it will send to your WhatsApp account; Well, that's actually not anything new, this feature already available since ICQ era?

Same as other IM, if you stay connected all the time;
With Maemo, as I mentioned, those IM/Social Networks are integrated into your Contact Book (e.g. Facebook Chat, Google Talk, Skype, etc). Once you're connected, you're automatically sign into those IM or Social Networks. People don't even know what you're using (e.g. ever since I got the N900, I never use the MSN, Skype or Facebook on PC anymore), but I online most of the time and has been chatting through the N900 since early last year. While others have to turn on their browser on PC to access Facebook Chat or Facebook Client app, etc. There's no need for such in Maemo. I wonder how this Social Network integration will improve or work on MeeGo, hopefully they've push it further, improve and add more features. There's still many things can be done or improve.

N8 more epic, it's historical, the thread advanced to version XX and still not yet launch.

Maybe he forgot to say for "WP7" phone only

Or... maybe there is a "*" that we didn't see or invisible, which stands for "Terms & Conditions apply".

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 23 2011, 03:54 PM

10 apps? That's nothing... N9 should do much better...

N900 - 24 Windows & Counting... (Nokia Conversation)


N900 - 30 apps.


N900 - Pushing the limits II


This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 25 2011, 12:31 AM

DO you happen to be "Eagle Fellow Al Haj"?

Nah, just curious cause saw same "eagle" in the name.

Not sure what do you mean/relate by end meego and support. Basically, this is Nokia last, one and only MeeGo device, which can also considered as Maemo6. You can say, they will not be releasing any more Maemo/MeeGo devices after this, like end of Windows Mobile era, or soon-to-be Symbian.
As for support wise, Nokia "did" however state they will still support the N9/MeeGo Harmattan for years to come; There's also updates for the OS in the process.

But anyway, for me, as long as the OS is stable and good, the support may not be so important anymore; It's needed if there is any bug that requires fixing (especially major ones), and for future enhancement, add-ons, that will be NICE TO HAVE.
I'm not sure how "complete" is this MeeGo Harmattan, but for Maemo5 on N900, it's a very much "incomplete" OS, lacking so many things and have quite a lot of bugs which will not be fix due to the support ended. Now that's a bad news, however, sorry to say, till today, it's still one of the best OS around (even with all the shortcomings). There's N900 owners still keeping their devices despite moved on to another device and also those that missed it; There're still things that other OS can't do or provide, it's like moving from a higher end OS to a lower end OS, you'll definitely miss somethings, despite you may have more apps and so on.
Honestly, till today, I still can't find any OS that is capable enough to do what it can do (not sure about MeeGo, but this version of MeeGo is handset version, I'd prefer the tablet version).

Lastly, as today, how many people keep their handphone for long time? I think many people change their handphone quite often. N9 will be something that is nice to own for the moment it was available. However, there will always be people who loves to keep their phone, especially those that are special and/or unique, me included.

I'm not so concern about the 1.3 or 1.2, unless the changes are something that is important or really nice; So in short, I'm more concern about the "changes" or improvements, etc.

I would like to see Flash support on MeeGo. It's hard to accept that there isn't support for Flash, when it's predecessor have it.
Not sure about Java; The predecessor, we can install 3rd party Java library, which enable us to run Desktop class Java, can even run Netbeans IDE.

I prefer to have as option; For those who don't need, can choose to turn off;

I prefer browsing full desktop version with desktop like experience browsing, just like browsing with N900. After I got it early last year, it practically replace my notebook, I can browse full desktop version sites since back then when no other smartphone can do it. After being used to it, it's hard to accept or downgrade.

More is better, options are good. Those that don't need or "when" they don't need, they can choose to turn off. When they want, they can turn it on, that's the beauty of choice.

aspire workshop I think not listed in the website; I think he will update here in this forum when he organize.

Last time he organize Photography workshop for N8 in N8 forum, the winner get prize sponsored by Nokia.