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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Jan 30 2019, 10:51 PM)
Not sure about the FEC rate as the TV set at my home cannot see the full details, but if judging for their bitrate usage, it would likely to be 16QAM GI 1/16 COFDM (FFT) 16k-ext FEC 2/3 or 3/5 for all 4 multiplexes.
Malaysia's is 256QAM GI 19/256 COFDM (FFT) 32k FEC 2/3.
If Mediacorp is going to use 64 QAM or 256 QAM in the future, the received signal can be weaker for 4-5dBm for 64 QAM and up to 9dBm for 256QAM. If they are going to use 256 QAM modulation, they will need to increase power for 2-3x from their currently used power levels to maintain similar reception quality (transmitter power was planned and optimized for 64QAM until they switch to 16QAM for more robust reception on around May 2017)
For example, if the transmitter power used for 16QAM (was 64QAM) is 3KW per MUX, to acheive/maintain similar reception quality the transmitter power, when using 256QAM will has to be around 10KW per MUX. Mediacorp can choose to use lesser multiplexes with higher QAM (reduction from 4 multiplexes to 2 multiplexes with more channels per multiplex while maintaining same quality) however the required transmitter power will be much higher.
I still can't receive any Indonesian DTT signals in my area, and only 6 multiplexes was receivable in my area. (CH29/538MHz, CH31/554MHz, CH33/570MHz, CH35/586MHz, CH47/682MHz, CH49/698MHz)
Data below is listed for example purposes, realisticly the transmitter power used by Mediacorp would be much higher.
16QAM/64QAM X4 - 3KWX4 =12KW
256QAM X2 - 10KWX2=20KW
If Singapore needed to do frequency retune exercise in the future, they may not allocate those multiplexes that close (538mhz,546mhz,554mhz .etc) as it may cause adjencent channel interference. Also all wireless frequency plans has to be discussed and done between 3 countries, so that each country will get its own exclusive frequency (like those used for DTT,DAB,FM) and to avoid interference (Mobile phone services, Public services like Police, Fire and DTT,DAB,FM). The frequencies used by digital TV had been agreed the past between 3 countries, so it is unlikely to change for a forseeable future.
Yup, as most existing frequencies used in nearly all Sabah and Sarawak analogue main transmitters are on VHF Band III (174-230MHz), with some exceptions : some relay transmitters carrying TV1 and TV2, some TV3 and all NTV7 transmitters being UHF. Even that it is mostly in lower part of UHF band. As DTT is using the upper UHF band (594MHz and above), many gap fillers will be required and because of these reasons, commercial operators was not so interested on Sabah and Sarawak due to low population+big landmass.
Wahh... Your technical explanation really amused me this time (cuz I can't understand much lol). I wonder, are you working in that industry?
I mostly know pretty much the surface level of the technical stuff, but not into almost "engineer" level la...
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Malaysia's is 256QAM GI 19/256 COFDM (FFT) 32k FEC 2/3.
I did come across the 19/256, COFDM 32k thing, but I don't understand what does that mean. I only know higher QAM means more bandwidth (e.g. 256QAM) but at the same time, reception may become not as robust as lower QAM. (I wonder is this the same, compare with LTE vs LTE Advanced Pro vs Gigabit LTE? Cuz I know the QAM used are higher?)
What do you think about the technical parameters set by MYTV? Is it good, or poor? If compare with Singapore DTT ones, how different is it? Besides the QAM used...
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Mediacorp can choose to use lesser multiplexes with higher QAM (reduction from 4 multiplexes to 2 multiplexes with more channels per multiplex while maintaining same quality) however the required transmitter power will be much higher.
Then why MYTV don't just use lower QAM and have 2-3 mux instead of 1, to reduce transmit power, and for them to save cost a bit? Or, MYTV prefers to use the spectral efficient way, rather than making reception robust?
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If Singapore needed to do frequency retune exercise in the future, they may not allocate those multiplexes that close (538mhz,546mhz,554mhz .etc) as it may cause adjencent channel interference.
Adjacent channel interference?? Hmmm
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527.25MHz (523.25-531.25MHz) - Channel U Analogue (ceased)
538.00MHz (534.00-542.00MHz) - Channel 5 (HD), Suria (HD)
543.25MHz (539.25-547.25MHz) - okto Analogue (ceased)
546.00MHz (542.00-550.00MHz) - EMPTY for Southern Johor, but it is myFreeview frequency for Northern Johor
554.00MHz (550.00-558.00MHz) - Channel 8 (HD), Vasantham (HD)
559.25MHz (555.25-563.25MHz) - Channel NewsAsia Analogue (ceased)
570.00MHz (566.00-574.00MHz) - Channel NewsAsia (HD), Channel U (SD), okto (HD)
578.00MHz (574.00-582.00MHz) - EMPTY for Digital?
586.00MHz (582.00-590.00MHz) - Channel U (HD)
How come Singapore DTT and analogue channels are squeezed together, without causing any reception issues to user? It is obvious that the frequency range of each channel "intersect" with the other analogue/digital channel's 8MHz range. Channels are from Singapore, so it shall be the same Bukit Batok transmitting tower. Wouldn't that cause adjacent frequency interference? While compare with analogue channels between Malaysia and Indonesia:
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631.25MHz 41 - MNC TV
639.25MHz 42 - NTV7
647.25MHz 43 - RCTI
655.25MHz 44 - TV9
663.25MHz 45 - Trans TV
671.25MHz 46 - 8TV
The sequence is Indonesia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Malaysia,.... All frequencies are appears to be fully utilised. No adjacent frequency interference, as perhaps due to further distance away from 2 transmitters from the 2 countries, but what if viewers stay near between Johor and Batam border? Wouldn't they experience adjacent frequency interference that affects signal reception?
Anyhow, do you think Singapore will "volunteer to voice out" when discuss with the 3 countries during the discussion of frequency retune exercise being carried out together with 3 countries, saying that they want to use the lowest UHF frequency for their DTT, which will be 474MHz, 490MHz, 506MHz, 522MHz to achieve best signal reception possible?
If "skip" each channel like this, then how about 482MHz, 498MHz, 514MHz, 530MHz? Leave it vacant or what?
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Also all wireless frequency plans has to be discussed and done between 3 countries, so that each country will get its own exclusive frequency (like those used for DTT,DAB,FM) and to avoid interference (Mobile phone services, Public services like Police, Fire and DTT,DAB,FM).
How irony. Look at the interference of TV1 vs RTV, and also myFreeview (Malaysia DTT) vs SCTV.
If properly done and discussed, how come interference like this can happen? Who should held responsible?
This post has been edited by joshhd: Jan 31 2019, 10:52 PM