Got new that aluminium prices will be going up on the 7th july.
Need to lock in price now.
Sigh.... any recommendations??

Whole house wor, should be giving me a reasonable price mah,,,,
Dark Green Glass - more for aesthetic reason.

Finally !! I got the permit




Its time to start again ..

RM 3100.00 (this include the bin deposit)

I think it depends on the agent.
According to my agent he charge around different only by a few hundred dollars depending on extent of the renovation (e,g. extend front, back, 1 st floor ).
Different type oh house (intermediate/corner/bungalow) he charge different price range.
It seems that it is easier to apply in Selangor compared to KL.

Guess its similar to getting a renovation contractor. No standard price. Depends on luck

Initial walkabout research

During the 2 weeks while I was waiting for my MPSJ permit approval,
I've spent some time looking into, available supplier for
1. Windows (Glass and Aluminum)
2. Plaster Ceiling
3. Window Grille.

Being a total novice, I decided to do it this way....

a) Look at Lowyat Forum.

b) Look in to Superpages and zero down to available supplier in Puchong (chose Puchong because it seems that there is many suppliers and its near my place)

c) write(scrawl) down the address on a piece of paper


d)ascertain the location via google map and print out a copy then pin point the area


e) drive around and visit them.

I'll share my findings with you all later.

Few points I've noticed. Usually only the boss can give you a quote.
Usually they will only be around their office in before lunch. After lunch, out on their jobs.
Every new visit you will learn something new.
The more technical things you know, the more things you will consider, the more headache you will have.

I may not go for the cheapest but just want to make sure that,
i) I feel comfortable with they guy I choose
ii) I avoid getting slaughtered, I don't mind paying not the cheapest.
iii) I know where they are ..... (if they con me... you will all know)
iv) I at least know something before making a decision, not just blindly choose.

I did not visit all on the list but around 70%. Some moved or closed shop. Either that or I just can't meet the boss.

After these exercise, I surrender liao.

Need to take a breather..

MPSJ Permit = "hostage" to MPSJ (Ransom - Rent Alam Flora Bin)

Initial Walkabout Research

Below is what I gathered from my random discussion with various suppliers.
Some information are deducted and some are information provided by the bosses.

1. Windows (Glass and Aluminum)

1. Windows are made up of suppliers that convert aluminum extruded shaft and glass panes to form in to Windows.

2. The main point to look out for is :-

a) The thickness of the aluminum shaft. (0.9mm - 1.4mm) maybe more thickness available.
The thicker the sturdier but no need to go overboard. The bigger the windows, need thicker thus stronger aluminum shaft.

b) The thickness and the types of the glass panes. Regular,Laminated, Tempered, Frosted, Colored

c) The types of lock, standard twist lock or concealed types (this needs thicker aluminum shaft 1.2mm above) that is more expensive.

d) There is standard hinge (The ones with the bars shaft thinge on the bottom of the windows limiting the cascade windows swing out degrees or the loose swings type (dunno much about this only pricier and need thicker aluminum.

e) Types of windows, cascade, slide, toilet cascade swing up type and fixed panes.

f) Coating on the aluminum.(color types)

I zeroed 1.2mm aluminum, Dark Green Glass, Regular 5mm Dark Green Glass, standard twist lock, standard hinge, Multiple types of windows and powder coated.

The price I got ranged from RM 25 - RM 26 - RM 35 for cascade windows.




Talk about Plaster Ceiling later ....

Initial Walkabout Research

Below is what I gathered from my random discussion with various suppliers.
Some information are deducted and some are information provided by the bosses.

2. Plaster Ceiling


1. Plaster Ceiling installers are made up of contractors that install aluminium frames on your ceiling then stick plaster boards on to the frame that finally made up your ceiling.

2. Wiring for lights has to be ready before installation.

3. The holes for lightning is cut after the plaster boards is installed.

4. There is Plain Boards (majority of ceiling ares are made up of this, There are decorative pattern design that can be added (sorta like sistine chapel dome design thingy) - depend on individual taste lor.

5. The main point to look out for is :-

a) Thickness of the plaster boards 8mm, 9mm and 11mm (this is the stock I saw)
-(thicker better of course)

b) The aluminium framr types (25,, width, 30mm width and 35mm width) Thicker better - of course

c) how much they charge for Cornice (Side skirting - up to individual), L box (parts of the plaster ceiling that jut down) and Light holes. This might just make up the major cost eventually.

I zeroed on 9mm thick plaster boards and 35mm width aluminium frame.

The price I've got eanged from RM2.40 - 2.80/ sq feet for plaster boards.

L.Box RM9.00 -RM12.00 - /feet

Fan Hock FOC-RM25.00/ piece

Round light RM2.00-RM5.00 /per cut hole

Square light RM4.50-RM8.00 / cut hole

Manhole RM60.00-RM120.00/ set

Cornice RM3.00-RM4.00 / feet

So many things to consider

Should be something like this :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZUsgAZj0Q


Finally talk about Window Grille later

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Added on July 20, 2011, 6:20 pmNeed to rush to get termite treatment for the house before renovation gets too far ahead. Been delaying in this front for too long

From trawling the LYN forum and decided to focus on Drilling and spraying roof truss using Bayer's Agenda 2.5 EC.

Called up 3 suppliers. It seems that only a few companies are Authorised Accredited Applicator for Bayer’s Agenda Termite Colony Management (Called up stopest, nexus and bumipest)

They will drill holes and apply the chemical in the house. Outside the house they will only drill holes and apply the chemical at the columm area.

How they apply the chemicals to the roof truss is yet to be seen but it is included in my package.

Price range from RM2300 to RM3500.

Warantty range from 3 - 5 years depending on suppliers.

Finally decided on the middle supplier (not the cheapest) - the same one that some member recomendded me in this forum.

They are coming tomorrow to do the job. Estimated time to complete 5 hours.

Will take some pictures if I am there.

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Added on July 21, 2011, 4:33 pmRenovation Update....

The Raw material and people had moved in





The front is full of sand and the back work has already started.

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Added on July 21, 2011, 4:46 pmtst


This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 21 2011, 04:46 PM

You are welcome...

Termite Men Cometh part 1

They came they inspected



This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 10:07 AM

Nope. Prevention only

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Added on July 22, 2011, 10:08 amTermite Men Cometh part 2

They started drilling holes.....
Holes 1'-2' deep was drilled approximately 1' apart all along around the perimeter/border/circumfrance of the house

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Added on July 22, 2011, 10:21 amTermite Men Cometh part 3

Bayer Agenda 2.5 EC solution was dissolved in water and pumped im to the holes (approx 15 second/hole)



This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 10:21 AM

I hope not ...I guess I'll know in a few days time if there is water seepage on the ground later.

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Added on July 22, 2011, 11:16 amTermite Men Cometh part 4

Since the back has not laid concrete yet .. spray all over,
spray the toilet wall,
more holes pumping inside the house
spray the roof truss
pump on to the car porch columm foundation....
spray spray sprayyyyy.......




Around 5 hours work ...phew


This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 11:16 AM

They provide 5 year warranty with Bayer's Agenda 2.5ec.
The 10 year warranty one should be Monsanto's chlordane (banned substance but damm power)

This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 12:08 PM

yeah I know. That is my next "emergency" meeting potential wireman on sunday

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Added on July 22, 2011, 1:30 pmRenovation Update:-

My future car porch columm base and My future back room....




How they lay a concrete floor:-

Lay wire mesh



Mix concreate and pour over the area




Ta Dahhhh






This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 01:30 PM

From what I understand from my contractor, A columm is basically a concrete formed around a skeleton (woven steel bars). No need wooden support. Wood are used as formers for the concrete only (they form as tempoary outer shell for the not yet hardened concrete to enable the concrete to get its final form).

Do not know of columm base needing wooden support.

Maybe only support as in concrete formers only...

This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 22 2011, 06:28 PM

Fresh liao...

The pipes are from the existing roof pipe waterways outlet.
Going to re-do car porch roof so making a new water pipe outlet.
Going to do the whole house plumbing system.
Is a Engineer required in this circumstances?

This one follow what the architect drawings (who also happens to be the submitting consultant that apply MPSJ permit) design.
Thus design approved by MPSJ.

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Added on July 24, 2011, 10:57 amThe kitchen boundary extension is also according to the architect drawings that is approved by MPSJ.
They allow back extenion to the max, I of course more than happy, more room liao.
The extension only involves the ground floor. If involves the 1st floor back extension then I understand, there is a limit involved.

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Added on July 24, 2011, 11:01 amFor the front car porch, going to demolish and rebuild the whole thing.

This post has been edited by phoenix69: Jul 24 2011, 11:01 AM