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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Downing 19!

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Rotuham
post Jun 28 2011, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(yo87 @ Jun 28 2011, 09:15 PM)
Dude, Chelsea has cancelled their pre-season game against Vitesse Arnham. Hope , nothing change for Malaysia especially regarding BERSIH v2.0.. notworthy.gif
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This is what i am afraid of too unsure.gif

Hopefully PDRM let them march peacefully and no clash between Perkasa,UMNO youth and Bersih groups.

I will be dam pissed if LFC cancel their tour because of this. shakehead.gif
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post Jun 30 2011, 02:54 AM

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I think someone mentioned on LFC boards that it was kenny who ended sammy lee's playing career at liverpool.

I don't think kenny is a guy for sentiments and will do whatever required to bring the club forward.

You guys should check out john henry's twitter.He has been tweeting recently.
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:58 AM

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Sols, i am not torres hater but he did that so that his own move to chelsea would be clear hmm.gif
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post Jul 5 2011, 08:46 PM

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post Jul 6 2011, 04:22 PM

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15million for downing is outrageous.I doubt this transfer will happen as i think it's media bull shakehead.gif

I am disappointed with LFC regarding the way they handled gerrard's withdrawal.

They used him to the hilt in advertising and promoting the tour and once the ticket sales is almost complete they announce this.

I find LFC not giving a damn about their fans in asia and are only in for the money.

People are gonna say i am disappointed that gerrard is coming and all but look at man utd.

This where i have to give credit to them when it comes to fan relations.

They set precedence by parading their 19th trophy in several countries.Fyi,VDS was in KLCC yesterday and many malaysian mu fans got to touch the trophy.

Maybe this is the reason why liverpool are stuck with the 'for scousers and by scousers only' attitude and cannot move forward.

And what is worse is the mat salleh fans insulting asian fans by calling us stupid and names on the LFC facebook page.

I never really understood the scouse hate until yesterday.my rant ends here sweat.gif

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post Jul 6 2011, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 6 2011, 05:24 PM)
You can't say that the mancs aren't milking the Asian market for all it's worth. The rest of the 'big four' are doing something and they had to as well. Competition between the clubs is as much off the pitch as it is on it.

I think Liverpool took the first step forward the moment they recognised the need for a commercial director and appointed Ian Ayre. Results aren't instant of course but the fact that they are coming to Malaysia for the first time and have signed a 3 year contract with a local telco signals their intent.

As for OOTs, it isn't as bad as it was before. There is a growing respect for us. Can you blame them for being protective though? Even amongst us, we have fans who don't know about the club's history, it's traditions and values. Being an OOT, I'm disappointed and I can just imagine how it must be for them. If I had a car I really love and had to sell it, I'd want to know it's going to a good owner who will take care of it. I can empathise with them but from experience, they slowly begin to respect you when you can hold a conversation with them. You won't see many random baseless one liners there as you do here.
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I agree with your first two paragraphs but not the next.Those mat salleh needs someone to remind them that it is us who are funding the club expenses.

Otherwise they can continue dreaming about getting top players.They would just be another sunderland,birmingham,aston villa etc.

As good as kenny is ,he is no shanks.I find it confusing that we talk about the liverpool way when we are supposedly

spending alot this window to improve.As far as i have read,i dont think liverpool went on a spending spree to dominate in the 70's and 80's.

I can't stand those mat salleh supporters who judge other supporters and taking the holier than thou stance. doh.gif



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post Jul 7 2011, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jul 7 2011, 08:52 AM)
I do not think we fund them as much as you would like to think. On average, I think a fan in Malaysia would buy less than 1 jersey a year. Them scousers take up loans just to watch the team play. Partly its because Mat Sallehs just do not believe in saving and partly also because they are so in love with the club that they are willing to get into debt over it.

Show them you could match their passion and they will respect you for it.
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What about broadcasting revenue?Why do you think most pay for astro sports package?

We dont pay directly to them end of the day it's our money that reaches the club coffers.

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post Jul 7 2011, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(Monstar @ Jul 7 2011, 09:28 AM)
Erm, Sky is not free as well.

Again, my main point is, the scousers give up a lot to watch and support the team, show them the same and you would earn their respect.
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Hmmm then i wonder why some were complaining on LFC boards that it was so easy to get tickets last season at anfield and the famous anfield atmosphere
isn't really there anymore.I dont need to show anybody how much i support LFC and nobody is great to judge a person's passion and support
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post Jul 7 2011, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 7 2011, 02:20 PM)
I'm with Monstar on this one. I do agree that the common stereotype is that Mat Salleh's think they know it all but in the context of Liverpool, they do being from the city and all. In fact, I empathise with them in this case. It pains me that fans don't think it's important to know about our history and yet expect to be treated in the same regard as scousers who are actually from the city. Like Monstar said, if you want respect you have to earn it. When I was in Liverpool for a short visit, I met with fans in pubs and although they were apprehensive when I first told them I was a fan, they warmed to me when they saw I actually knew a fair bit about the club. You can't buy passion and sentiment and that is what makes scousers stand out amongst other fans. It's natural for them to expect the same of any other fan who supports the club. In fact, I'm glad they are apprehensive about OOTs because it makes me want to prove myself by reading and learning about Liverpool. Instead of brushing it off and blaming them for have a holier than thou stance, I choose to use it as inspiration and improve my knowledge of the club. I just wish that more would do the same especially when information is readily available on the net.

We're no different than any other club. Only recently, we've spent less in comparison with teams like Chelsea and Man Utd who either inherited a lot of wealth or capitalised on their fame, gaining a lot of revenue in the process. Players like Rush, Barnes, Dalglish, Saunders, Beardsley, Toshack, Keegan, etc were all bought.
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Can u tell how much did those players cost? in fact dalglish was a replacement for keegan.so no net transfer.The spending spree i mentioned was
buying 5-6 players in one summer.I dont think that happened.Plz correct me if am wrong.

You want to win,you have to embrace the changes that come.LFC failed to embrace it and thats why they havent won the league in 21years.

It's not only LFC who have values,but other clubs also have eg:stoke,newcastle,west ham etc(chelsea not included)

Nobody asked to be treated in the same regard as scousers.Please read properly before starting an argument.We just asked for some respect

and for them to stop insulting asian fans.Is that too much mr Duke?in fact i dont think anyone here considers themselves as scousers.do you?


Added on July 7, 2011, 3:23 pm
QUOTE(Monstar @ Jul 7 2011, 11:55 AM)
Isn't that being a bit of a hypocrite then since you are judging the mat sallehs for being hostile towards Asians?
There is no need to prove anything. But at the end of the day, if you want their respect then you have to earn it. You cannot say that you have nothing to prove but at the same time expect them to respect you as one of them.

A couple years back when I used to go for matches, I am always mindful that although we are supporters of the same club, I am still a guest of Liverpool. I treat them with respect and in return, I was afforded the same respect. You cannot blame them for being pissed off with some OOTers when the OOTers come in late for the game, refuse to join the songs and spent the whole time snapping pictures instead of cheering the team on. I am sure these people are in the minority, but unfortunately it is always the sore that sticks out.
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Am i judging them or stating the obvious?As liverpool fans who have good knowledge the onus is also on them to educate other fans who are in the dark.Like how a father who supports liverpool tells his young son who also starts to support liverpool about the tradition and history of the club.This is metaphorical in relation to the young supporters.

What local liverpool fans should do is embrace foreign supporters and enlighten them about the club.Just like how you infer respect is a two way thing
knowledge is also a two way thing.







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post Jul 7 2011, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 7 2011, 04:49 PM)
While we're in the topic, let me give you an example of someone who took the effort to become a fan. You've corresponded with Monstar who is now studying in the UK. I don't always agree with his opinions e.g. Rafa and stuff but I myself cannot match his passion. When I first met him, he was 18 or so. I had organised a viewing party for Carlsberg and Liverpool were playing Man Utd. I asked him to come and he came alone to watch the game. Since then he's become an active member of MyRAWK and we've watched many games together. The bloke memorised all our songs (which I myself haven't) and his knowledge of LFC dates back to Shankly. In the short time that I knew him, he gained vast amounts of knowledge and I find myself being envious that he now gets to live in the UK. He is an example of someone who took it upon himself to self-educate. He has my respect and I'm sure he has gotten the respect of Liverpool fans he's met there.

Now that all being said, I know that not everyone has the time and not everyone is as passionate and that's fine. It's like your career though. If you spend more time and effort at work than your colleague, chances are you'll get more recognition. The same applies for being a fan. Respect and recognition will come in due time.
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I am a realist.While i appreciate our history,i dont go around talking about it to others.I feel that our history is burdening us.There are exceptions however

I wanted kenny back when rafa was sacked but many local fans applauded the move to appoint roy.Does that make me ignorant of our history?

Whatever you are saying implies that i am not even a fan in the first place sweat.gif
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post Jul 7 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(xMika @ Jul 7 2011, 09:41 PM)
No la I just saw it  sweat.gif  Now got 1 more extra sentence from aly cissokho's wikipage

On 7 July 2011, Liverpool FC had a bid of £14.6 million accepted for the player.  rclxub.gif  lets see if its real ..
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LOL.Arda turan,aguero,marveaux,coentrao and mata have all been ''liverpool'' players on wikipedia before.

And it's really hilarious biggrin.gif Some even stated aguero scored his goal for liverpool in a friendly against some team with broken english

Liverpool fans are best when it comes to humour and intelligent discussion rclxms.gif
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post Jul 8 2011, 01:20 PM

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Now that my disappointment has faded.Guess what guys.........8more days to go!

And another 6 before our training session! rclxms.gif

really cant wait to see all our the players adam,henderson etc.

Hopefully kenny sign mata or an exciting winger before they come to asia.
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post Jul 8 2011, 01:30 PM

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A pick from Charlie adam
"Since I've known about Liverpool's interest I've been looking at the website and obviously playing here last season, the passion of the supporters, they know what it means and they're there to support the team. That's what you want as a player, to know the fans will back you to the hilt through thick and thin.

He reads the lfc forums blink.gif

Some fans were really harsh on him sweat.gif

Do others read as well?
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post Jul 8 2011, 06:26 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouejolH5nso

Charlie adam halfway line goal smile.gif

Maybe he is the replacement for alonso albeit a late one.

I think we should add more central midfielders,we only have 9 now sad.gif



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post Jul 8 2011, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 8 2011, 07:00 PM)
Let's play Suarez at GK! then we can have 10midfielders!
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Like ppl say whoever wins the midfield battle wins the game. wink.gif

I guess it's safe now to update title thread as adam(s) has signed.

I think it's also worth mentioning that Charlie Adam has played in the champions league for rangers and scored two goals.

hope this will dispel the myth that he is a championship standard player.

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post Jul 9 2011, 11:57 AM

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How many players are actually gonna come?

We want to watch Liverpool FC XI not reserve or youth XI
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post Jul 9 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Jul 9 2011, 10:08 PM)
OMG

SELLING MEIRELES WOULD BE A MAJOR MISTAKE AND A BLOW TO THE FANS !!!!!!!!!!!1111
RAUL PLS DONT GO
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Chill man.didnt kenny tell you that we are planning to field all midfielders in our starting 11?

Thats why we are buying more midfielders.I think suarez will be gk like sols said earlier.

Apparently we are also in for some japanese midfielder.
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post Jul 10 2011, 10:10 PM

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If all the absentees you guys mention is true,then what i said earlier about the club not giving a dam about the fans
in asia will be proven.

or either we are just paranoid or reading too much about possible absentees.


Added on July 10, 2011, 10:24 pmOn the other note, this LSCM guy called sheldon xavier keeps appearing on liverpool fb page and tour website.

Is this another example of LSCM monopoly or just a passionate fan by chance?

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post Jul 12 2011, 10:31 PM

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Go LFC fans!!! go storm the pavillion this friday as well as courts cheras and setapak friday 3-4pm. i expect you guys to be there =)

Those who want their shirts autographed be there soon =)
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post Jul 12 2011, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Jul 12 2011, 10:41 PM)
do we need some sort of special pass to meet n greet the players?

photo or autograph?
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Nope.i havent heard of any so far.I think there will be lscm flashmob but screw them la.lfc is not theirs.

Just be there by 3pm.Some will power and luck will help you to get the autograph you want.

I think courts u need to purchase rm50 in a receipt.But even if u didnt i think its good enough just for players close-up

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