I don't give a squat if you're driving a prancing horse FXX. You are the type of people that thinks they own the road with an 'expensive' car. Let me tell you what is going on now:

1. You mix with people that thinks the Inspira has a Proton engine (ok not everyone is knowledgeable in engines so I can understand)
2. You tell the people you don't mix with (forummers) about what the people you mix with says which is wrong (ok so you're also not knowledgeable that's understandable too)
3. You expressly mention that facts are NOT important even when presented with one (not so acceptable coz if facts are not important what's the point of discussing?)
4. You do not understand the word affluent and try to boast that you are maybe driving (I doubt that) a japanese car that has nothing to do with the discussion of Proton and Mitsubishi engines on the Inspira

p.s. I'm not even telling you that buying an Inspira is affluent or otherwise. You just made that up somewhere perhaps while driving your 350Z

"You are the type of people that thinks they own the road with an 'expensive' car."

Ooo... jealous? umadbro?


3. Did you present any "facts" to me? Your post was basically "LOL". How does that educate me on the simple question on whether Inspira is using a proton engine or otherwise?

4. This shows YOU do not understand the word u used. Maybe "effluent" would be more suitable for what is flowing out of your mouth

the tweeter located at the side mirror thr.

and air-con, yes. its better than Lancer GT.

after more than 10 times test, compare with my frenz's mitsubitshi lancer GT.

inspira > lancer... in terms of money worthy, special features by proton+lotus

The fact is you did not even bother to do ANY due diligence or even read or inquire at the Proton Inspira thread. And what about your 70% of friends?

Yep I am very jealous of your 350Z coz I am poor

p.s. But my dream car is a Lotus Evora la but 350Z is of course better

Yeap that is what I'm thinking but you have to finish the 3 years warranty before you can do so.

- inspira got better speaker (inspira doesn't even have a tweeter on front speaker, that is better?)
- inspira got better air conditioning (how do u test the aircon ???)

my layman replies
- i put a loud "mosh metal" band cd and listen... got sound came out infront.... yup no tweeter.. no need tweeter if you already have good soundproofing...
actually -.. the sound came out is really good for my ears. perhaps i never set the audio tuning ( rock, hall, classis ) at lancer..

for the aircond... just turn the knob at 25 and also half at the coldness.. feels inspira much more cooler..
might be subjective due to outside weather. i have not test both car at the same time.

but, hey.. its my layman test.. i dont have a thermometer to test.. possible lancer much cooler too ? i dunno.

Dude, just chill it lah. My First post I already admitted I didnt research Inspira before i asked, why should I? Wasnt looking to buy another car anytime soon.

Anyway, some colleague was discussing and the question was raised, and no... none even considered an Inspira cause they were under the impression its using Proton engine. That should how bad proton marketing is. Good marketing should create such a good impression/perception of their product that they can even sell sugar water (Coke anyone?).

Edit : Oh as for dream car, make it a reality lah, its always more fun then dreaming and I'll even race your toyota engine lotus.. just let me know

This post has been edited by MeToo: Jun 6 2011, 02:50 PM

i believe in inspira broucher stated clearly that inspira use mivec engine, mivec is definitely mitsubishi engine, not proton's

LoL emm when I test drive 1.8 inspira the salesperson said that Proton only assemble the parts and ofcourse the engine is already assembled when mitsubishi send it to malaysia. That is what the sales person said. I believe is really a real mivec engine~

This post has been edited by Daniel520: Jun 6 2011, 02:54 PM

Well, just for sharing purposes, a female colleague of mine actually knows what the Inspira "rebadge" deal is all about (instead of the usual bashing of copycat, backward move bla bla bla) and she also knows about the financial implication this would be for Proton as compared to having a complete built from scratch unit. I have to admit I am impress with her knowledge and she's not even a car junkie and she's mighty young too.

Nothing is wrong with Proton's marketing though I am unhappy with their usage of suppliers linked to people with vested interest in the government.

Peace

MeeToo, just go to http://www.protoninspira.com/, then select any variant on the opening page. there you'll find this :

1.8L MIVEC engine
exhilarating performance always

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This post has been edited by evoHahn: Jun 6 2011, 02:55 PM

well it could be a mivec engine, but Mitsubishi / Proton press statement also said there are 40% local parts. The question then is how much of these 40% are in the drivetrain? I won't argue on this as this is the 'grey' area, which no one will have answers.

Mivec is just a term, like CVT. Whether it's made by Mitsubishi Japan or local assemble is the bigger question. And for the 40% local parts, has Proton improved on their QC substantially to make sure those parts are up to standard?

and for the 60% which is not locally assemble, are these parts from other country or from Mitsubishi? if the 60% is from China, then there is another problem.

The real arguement is back to how much of mitsubishi parts or equivalent standard is there in Inspira? unless someone has an answer to that, else we all can argue for months with no conclusion.

Aiseh.. then proton very fail in this case. Cause if peopel already think its a proton engine, they wont even go get the broucher/research ip on it. Since it's using Mitsu engine, I think at 30~40k discount, its an extremely good deal.

I think they meant the 60% is from mitsubishi but where mitsubishi get their supply? >.> Supply mitsubishi get from is on the other side of story. 40% local parts probably as stated the Lotus handling and the body kit they added and changed a few design on. Lancer GT using wad type of headlights??? From what I know Inspira using normal headlights.

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Added on June 6, 2011, 3:17 pmUsually people who think Inspira is proton engine are people who don't plan to buy a car at all <.< if a consumer plan to buy a 80k + car all cars in that range will be considered and of course they will test drive eventually take brochues. Smart consumers always goes for the best deal.

This post has been edited by Daniel520: Jun 6 2011, 03:18 PM

My suggestion is.. whatever it is... you are going to get con... so.. choose the one con u less....

erm...lancer GT uses outer space headlights with parking sensor plus ultra HID built in.

come on, they are the same, both are made by stanley

Stanley make my Toyota's headlamp too... reliable..

Yes the 60% is same supplier with mitsu or not is questionable.

As i said, how much of Inspira has parts equivalent or better than mitsubishi? Then that will answer all this question on the price. Btw, Lancer got higher tax because it's CBU.

Inferior product + higher profit margin OR better product + higher tax. Smart guys get it. Do you get it?

please lah...there are many places to read about inspira

the drivetrain plus ECU comes directly from mitsu, without any tampering by proton

CVT = a different type of transmission, MIVEC = variable valve timing. which part is the same?

again, there are plenty of info in the inspira thread, most of them are from japan.

This post has been edited by ckk125: Jun 6 2011, 03:25 PM